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Shouldn't the article reflect the fact that the subject is British? E.g. "dialogue" not "dialog". I am willing to start wikignoming, but not if it's all going to be changed back. BrainyBabe ( talk) 10:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Posting here to hopefully avoid any sort of conflict of interest problems. My year of birth is 1994. Thewelshboyo ( talk) 12:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Clearly if someone is entering into a binding licencing agreement, they must be of the legal age to do it, that is common scene. As we know the subject is under 18 we should make sure that he is able to. Mt king (edits) 01:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm the owner of the photo of Rhys and James Randi (official photographer of TAM London 2010 as you'll see from Martin's Guardian blog). I have changed the Creative Commons and added my name to this. Thanks, Kelly. KHaddow ( talk • contribs) 10:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Mtking asked me to stop by to see if I can help straighten out permission here. :)
With regards to File:RhysMorgan2.jpeg, can somebody provide us with a link to an official source that confirms that [1] is licensed under Creative Commons? There are two relatively easy ways to do this. First, it can be placed in the profile at < http://twitter.com/rhysmorgan>. Second, it could be placed here: < http://rhysmorgan.co/>. A statement like this would take care of it: "This image is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License." If the text is placed at the blog, since the image is not displayed, it would be necessary to link to the image as well, either at Twitter or on Wikipedia. (Mtking, we do routinely accept licensing statements from underage contributors. While some jurisdictions allow minors to later revoke licensing agreements, not all do, and WMF has not yet decided to take any actions to restrict participation on that basis.)
With respect to File:RhysMorgan1.png, that one will be a bit more difficult. Since the image was published, we need to be able to verify that the release is authorized. The best way to proceed will almost certainly be for you to send a letter verifying permission to the Wikimedia Foundation, Kelly. Do you have an official website, Kelly? If not, we may be able to ask Martin Robbins (who I see does have his own website at < http://www.mjrobbins.net/>) to help out. It's kind of a pain in the neck sometimes jumping through these hoops, but since copyright is a legal matter, we do need to make sure that the red tape is all properly processed. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC) my official website is < http://www.kemaha.co.uk>. I have sent an email to Wiki to cover this as well. Looks like this has been verified and the image is now not up for deletion. --[[User:KHaddow| KHaddow] (talk) 15.57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
"Subsequently, The Guardian gave Morgan a featured column". This sounds like a permanent thing, a once a week opportunity, like e.g. Ben Goldacre (who FWIW called Rhys a "well-mannered teen prodigy") and his "Bad Science". Instead, Rhys's column was a one-off in the Guardian's collection of blogs called Comment is Free, where some writers are regulars and some are one-timers. How to phrase this? BrainyBabe ( talk) 14:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I looked up the Ben Goldacre quote, as requested. It's from Twitter; I had the impression that wasn't WP:RS, but I leave that to others to decide. "well-mannered teen prodigy @rhysmorgan wins the internet #burzynski" 30 Nov. The only thing I have omitted from that tweet is a compressed link that Wikipedia software objects to. It expands to RH's CiF piece, which appeared that day: "The Burzynski Clinic is using libel laws to silence critics of its cancer treatment". Goldacre's tweet is here. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I have opened up an urgent review of the decision not to delete this article doktorb words deeds 01:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
A new article on Morgan was just published today in BMJ [2] -- that's a big deal. Access to the full-text version is $30. Does anyone here have free academic access to BMJ? If so, a good summary of the article would be nice to include in Morgan's bio. For now, I'm going to include the article in the external links section, but it should be removed after the article it is woven into the main bio. Rhode Island Red ( talk) 16:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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There appears to be a number of issues with this article, there are lots of peacock terms " who first received acclaim", "received media attention and acclaim" it also appears to have issues with its WP:POV that need to be addressed. Mt king (edits) 00:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict)*2 Sorry but that is only an essay (not guidelines or policies) and as anyone can right one, and they can and are written to support ANY action on here it does not carry any weight, you will notice that I have reported this page to the NPOV board, there are genuine copyright issues with both of the images. Mt king (edits) 01:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
<- I've just read the article. It actually seems pretty good to me. It certainly doesn't deserve tagging. The subject did receive acclaim and praise for his efforts. My only slight concern really is with the lead. If the article is going to use words like acclaim, praise, "a hailstorm of criticism" etc, they should really be sourced to secondary sources that talk about it at this meta-level rather than editors acting in good faith trying to sum up a number of sources they've read in a soundbite. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
There are a few references to another Rhys Morgan who is a rugby union player which were incorrectly linking to this page. I have cleaned those up and redirected his links to the correct page. Allecher ( talk) 01:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I'm no longer studying at Cardiff High School. I'm doing a BSc (Hons) in Health Sciences with the Open University. Thewelshboyo ( talk) 10:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I have major concerns regarding the integrity of this article. Contributors here are known personal friends of his: xxxxx One or more of the cited articles is written by xxxxx. (For example, xxxxxx) Zoara2010 ( talk) 16:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
An exception to editing an article about yourself or someone you know is made if the article contains defamation or a serious error that needs to be fixed quickly. If you do make such an edit, follow it up with an email to WP:OTRS, Wikipedia's volunteer response team, or ask for help on WP:BLPN, our noticeboard for articles about living persons.
-- 77.101.64.218 ( talk) 18:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
A warning is in order. Posting off-site attack pages and outing users are both serious violations of WP policy. I'm editing the offending material from the posts. This is a serious blockable offense. Please read WP guidelines in dealing with suspected COI issues discretely. Rhode Island Red ( talk) 23:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
His AS-Level results seem to be a glaring omission, given that he is a purported "science activist". ( see https://twitter.com/rhysmorgan/statuses/236016601269420033) -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Why mention AS Levels at all; the qualifications were not apparently gained, so it seems misleading to omit this. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Simple as that. Sorry, I didn't understand that's how Wikipedia worked. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 22:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
It appears that his father is a doctor. Is it conceivable that he has been put on a pedestal by him. Is it conceivable that it was he who advised him not to drink the bleach. The entire premise of this entry is unconvincing. How does talking on a podcast make one a watchdog? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoara2010 ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
This link does not seem to lead anywhere. Should it be deleted?
-- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, I stand corrected. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 21:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
It is 2016 and the popularity of this person is debatable. The page has already been proposed for speedy deletion, and received massive approval for speed keep. I argue the approval was due to the poor arguments offered by the editor who proposed deletion. I did my own research of Wikipedia's guidelines, and argue this person is, at best, low-profile. My rationale follows:
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A fact from Rhys Morgan appeared on Wikipedia's
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Did you know column on 14 December 2011 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Shouldn't the article reflect the fact that the subject is British? E.g. "dialogue" not "dialog". I am willing to start wikignoming, but not if it's all going to be changed back. BrainyBabe ( talk) 10:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Posting here to hopefully avoid any sort of conflict of interest problems. My year of birth is 1994. Thewelshboyo ( talk) 12:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Clearly if someone is entering into a binding licencing agreement, they must be of the legal age to do it, that is common scene. As we know the subject is under 18 we should make sure that he is able to. Mt king (edits) 01:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm the owner of the photo of Rhys and James Randi (official photographer of TAM London 2010 as you'll see from Martin's Guardian blog). I have changed the Creative Commons and added my name to this. Thanks, Kelly. KHaddow ( talk • contribs) 10:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Mtking asked me to stop by to see if I can help straighten out permission here. :)
With regards to File:RhysMorgan2.jpeg, can somebody provide us with a link to an official source that confirms that [1] is licensed under Creative Commons? There are two relatively easy ways to do this. First, it can be placed in the profile at < http://twitter.com/rhysmorgan>. Second, it could be placed here: < http://rhysmorgan.co/>. A statement like this would take care of it: "This image is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License." If the text is placed at the blog, since the image is not displayed, it would be necessary to link to the image as well, either at Twitter or on Wikipedia. (Mtking, we do routinely accept licensing statements from underage contributors. While some jurisdictions allow minors to later revoke licensing agreements, not all do, and WMF has not yet decided to take any actions to restrict participation on that basis.)
With respect to File:RhysMorgan1.png, that one will be a bit more difficult. Since the image was published, we need to be able to verify that the release is authorized. The best way to proceed will almost certainly be for you to send a letter verifying permission to the Wikimedia Foundation, Kelly. Do you have an official website, Kelly? If not, we may be able to ask Martin Robbins (who I see does have his own website at < http://www.mjrobbins.net/>) to help out. It's kind of a pain in the neck sometimes jumping through these hoops, but since copyright is a legal matter, we do need to make sure that the red tape is all properly processed. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC) my official website is < http://www.kemaha.co.uk>. I have sent an email to Wiki to cover this as well. Looks like this has been verified and the image is now not up for deletion. --[[User:KHaddow| KHaddow] (talk) 15.57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
"Subsequently, The Guardian gave Morgan a featured column". This sounds like a permanent thing, a once a week opportunity, like e.g. Ben Goldacre (who FWIW called Rhys a "well-mannered teen prodigy") and his "Bad Science". Instead, Rhys's column was a one-off in the Guardian's collection of blogs called Comment is Free, where some writers are regulars and some are one-timers. How to phrase this? BrainyBabe ( talk) 14:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I looked up the Ben Goldacre quote, as requested. It's from Twitter; I had the impression that wasn't WP:RS, but I leave that to others to decide. "well-mannered teen prodigy @rhysmorgan wins the internet #burzynski" 30 Nov. The only thing I have omitted from that tweet is a compressed link that Wikipedia software objects to. It expands to RH's CiF piece, which appeared that day: "The Burzynski Clinic is using libel laws to silence critics of its cancer treatment". Goldacre's tweet is here. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I have opened up an urgent review of the decision not to delete this article doktorb words deeds 01:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
A new article on Morgan was just published today in BMJ [2] -- that's a big deal. Access to the full-text version is $30. Does anyone here have free academic access to BMJ? If so, a good summary of the article would be nice to include in Morgan's bio. For now, I'm going to include the article in the external links section, but it should be removed after the article it is woven into the main bio. Rhode Island Red ( talk) 16:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
An image used in this article, File:RhysMorgan2.jpeg, has been nominated for speedy deletion for the following reason: All Wikipedia files with unknown copyright status
Don't panic; you should have time to contest the deletion (although please review deletion guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 00:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
There appears to be a number of issues with this article, there are lots of peacock terms " who first received acclaim", "received media attention and acclaim" it also appears to have issues with its WP:POV that need to be addressed. Mt king (edits) 00:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict)*2 Sorry but that is only an essay (not guidelines or policies) and as anyone can right one, and they can and are written to support ANY action on here it does not carry any weight, you will notice that I have reported this page to the NPOV board, there are genuine copyright issues with both of the images. Mt king (edits) 01:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
<- I've just read the article. It actually seems pretty good to me. It certainly doesn't deserve tagging. The subject did receive acclaim and praise for his efforts. My only slight concern really is with the lead. If the article is going to use words like acclaim, praise, "a hailstorm of criticism" etc, they should really be sourced to secondary sources that talk about it at this meta-level rather than editors acting in good faith trying to sum up a number of sources they've read in a soundbite. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
There are a few references to another Rhys Morgan who is a rugby union player which were incorrectly linking to this page. I have cleaned those up and redirected his links to the correct page. Allecher ( talk) 01:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I'm no longer studying at Cardiff High School. I'm doing a BSc (Hons) in Health Sciences with the Open University. Thewelshboyo ( talk) 10:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I have major concerns regarding the integrity of this article. Contributors here are known personal friends of his: xxxxx One or more of the cited articles is written by xxxxx. (For example, xxxxxx) Zoara2010 ( talk) 16:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
An exception to editing an article about yourself or someone you know is made if the article contains defamation or a serious error that needs to be fixed quickly. If you do make such an edit, follow it up with an email to WP:OTRS, Wikipedia's volunteer response team, or ask for help on WP:BLPN, our noticeboard for articles about living persons.
-- 77.101.64.218 ( talk) 18:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
A warning is in order. Posting off-site attack pages and outing users are both serious violations of WP policy. I'm editing the offending material from the posts. This is a serious blockable offense. Please read WP guidelines in dealing with suspected COI issues discretely. Rhode Island Red ( talk) 23:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
His AS-Level results seem to be a glaring omission, given that he is a purported "science activist". ( see https://twitter.com/rhysmorgan/statuses/236016601269420033) -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Why mention AS Levels at all; the qualifications were not apparently gained, so it seems misleading to omit this. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Simple as that. Sorry, I didn't understand that's how Wikipedia worked. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 22:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
It appears that his father is a doctor. Is it conceivable that he has been put on a pedestal by him. Is it conceivable that it was he who advised him not to drink the bleach. The entire premise of this entry is unconvincing. How does talking on a podcast make one a watchdog? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoara2010 ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
This link does not seem to lead anywhere. Should it be deleted?
-- Zoara2010 ( talk) 19:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, I stand corrected. -- Zoara2010 ( talk) 21:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
It is 2016 and the popularity of this person is debatable. The page has already been proposed for speedy deletion, and received massive approval for speed keep. I argue the approval was due to the poor arguments offered by the editor who proposed deletion. I did my own research of Wikipedia's guidelines, and argue this person is, at best, low-profile. My rationale follows: