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There's a broken URL in the second paragraph of the section titled "Series history". I'm not sure how to fix that. Could someone with more experience take a look please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallyfantastic ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
The inclusion of the Red River Bridge War is silly. the Bridge war was in 1931 and the Shootout started in 1900. The fact is that the shootout refers to boundary disputes between Oklahoma and Texas and the Red River War. The disputes often included Rancher interests and Indians in the disputed area. The reference to the red river Bridge War should be removed. SaltySailor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.217.52 ( talk) 04:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Now that the 2011 game is complete, I would be much obliged if somebody with the necessary privileges would update the information. Relevant news article can be found here. 70.113.200.133 ( talk) 20:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The Cotton Bowl sets East to West so there is no South or North end zone. Just wanted to clear this up. This is why the game is played near noon because the sun would affect the player's vision if it were later in the afternoon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.50.183 ( talk • contribs) 10:11, March 13, 2009
Not so. The stadium field is on a NW and SE line, not East / West. Look at any aerial map. In recent decades the game is played at 2:30, occasionally at 11:00 A.M. No game is scheduled because of the sun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.134.29 ( talk) 23:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
A rewrite of the Meetings section is sorely needed, but I do not have the time nor desire right now to undertake it. Hopefully someone else can or this can serve as a reminder for me in the future. This section reeks of WP:RECENTISM. Very little is provided prior to 1990 and what is provided is hit-and-miss (no writeup for 2002, 2004, & 2006). Ideally, I would like to see this broken down by era or decade. Following the 2009 matchup would be a good time for all 2000-2009 sections to be merged into one decade or Brown/Stoops era section with a length of 2-3 paragraphs.↔ NMajdan• talk 18:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The 2009 section is clearly written with a favorable bias in favor of the University of Texas. While I may re-write it, I'm a bit busy at the moment. Thought I'd post it up.
Warbirdadmiral ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC).
A small edit war has been going on for quite sometime regarding if it is "OU-Texas or Texas-OU" or: "Texas-OU or OU-Texas". This occurs especially during the leadup to the game each year with constant editing of this including deletion of Texas-OU or OU-Texas. I myself am from Dallas and hear it only as "The Texas-OU game" however I have many friends in Norman who refer to it as "The OU-Texas game". I have edited this several times over the past few years citing that we should use alphabetical order in regards to which comes first (even though I refer to it strictly as the Texas-OU game) and to address any vandalism attempts at deleting one reference. What do you all think? Snump ( talk) 01:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
There is not a consensus, and since one cannot be reached the thing to do is to remove the line altogether. The article functions without the unofficial terminology. Jexes23 ( talk) 11:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
A search query of the game will lead you to this article no matter if that line is present or not. While someone who commonly refers to the game as such will know what page they are on with or without that line. We've all read the neutrality policy, hence the reason I mentioned "undue weight" which is outlined in just that policy. Two people disagreeing with one is not a basis for a clear majority. After two weeks of the line being changed back and forth over and over, I think removing the line altogether is the best compromise Jexes23 ( talk) 12:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
This doesn't strike me as a discussion. Hopefully you let the neutral admin know that compromise was out of the question, because you said so. Jexes23 ( talk) 12:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
It can go in one of two orders or be removed. So what is the compromise that you propose once the only compromise to speak of is off of the table? Jexes23 ( talk) 12:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey, hey, let's stop butting heads. Alphabetical order is one compromise; another option would be going by number of external references from reliable sources. I'm not saying this is the option I support, but here's what I'm thinking;
I found more Texas-OU references than I did OU-Texas, but I spent ten minutes looking. However, I'll leave it up to you guys to decide. That's just an unofficial suggestion. Officially, I'm here to ask you guys to stop edit-warring, or I'll have to start handing out blocks. Please, be mature. Next person to revert without consensus will be blocked, so don't do it. m.o.p 07:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that the 2012 football season, which began at 11 this morning, is officially over (roughly 3:00 PM CDT, Sat Oct 13) I just want muddy the water by saying that I, a native of Norman, never referred to it as anything but "the Texas game" until forced by a move to Houston into communicating with foreigners:-) Treethinker ( talk) 20:33, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The Recent games subsection is a bit of a mess. It is broken up into a series of very short blurbs, most of which do not indicate the year of the game being discussed. Since there are five paragraphs, it initially seems to address all games since 2008. However, the last paragraph appears to be a continuation of the prior game discussion. It would be much more readable if the specific games being discussed were noted (by year). It also seems reasonable to keep the discussions in a single paragraph for each game (unless the game is important enough to warrant its own section above). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.54.34 ( talk) 17:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The mention of the games former name is already addressed in the "series history" section. It does not need to be inserted into the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jexes23 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Remove all entries to the series prior to 1930 as they are not part of the overall series and while you are at it please remove the championship game.--Concerned fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:9800:C0C0:89F6:6ED8:9229:F7FA ( talk) 00:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
*I am opening this discussion again ~ I disagree with both of the above editors ~ the red river showdown is about a regular season game between UT and OU at the cotton bowl, it is not about anytime OU or UT plays football together ~ it is specifically about the game in October ~ a national championship game is not a red river showdown ~ ~mitch~ ( talk) 22:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I like it being a chronicle for all games between the teams. If nothing else keep it in the scoring table, count it in the H2H results, reference that they played twice that year, and link to the game summary elsewhere. Ekrekel ( talk) 01:44, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The 2018 big 12 championship game result between Texas and Oklahoma should not be considered part of the Red River Rivalry because of the following differences between the Red River Rivalry and the big 12 championship game:
1a) Red River Rivalry is the "annual" game played between Texas and Oklahoma. 1b) The big 12 championship game is the annual championship game between the top two big 12 teams with the best conference record at the end of the regular reason.
2a) Winner of the Red River Rivalry receives the "Golden Hat" trophy, governor's trophy and NROTC trophy. 2b) Winner of the big 12 championship game receives the big 12 championship trophy.
1a & 2a are already listed in wikipedia as defining what the Red River Rivalry game is. Should the big 12 championship game be included, it does not meet the definition of the Red River Rivalry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satman 99 99 ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
...summarizes key features of the page's subject.Dec 1, 2018, is the last game played in the series as shown within Red River Showdown#Overall game results. The proposal is for the infobox to contradict the article (or perhaps omitted intent is to also expunge the Dec 1 game from the "Overall game results" which would be consistent with that argument). Regardless, the article is correct/consistent as-is AND also consistent with sibling rivalry article treatment as noted above. Side note, there is enough ongoing IP vandalism on this specific topic to request page protection. UW Dawgs ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
The Big 12 Championship was the 114th meeting of the Red River Showdown as stated by both schools in the following links Oklahoma: OU Captures Fourth Straight Big 12 Title Texas: No. 9/9 Football preview: vs. No. 5/5 Oklahoma /(Dec. 1, 2018). So whether you like it or not both schools agree that the Big 12 title game was a red river showdown game just without the Golden hat on the line.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 23:22, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
*Oppose DTX Brian's proposals support Dcheagle this page is about the OU-Texas football rivalry. I'm finally going to come out and say it. Last year, if OU won in Dallas last year, and Texas won the Big XII title game, none of these Texas IPs would be trying to change the page (some in Oklahoma likely would)! In October this will be a moot point, unless somehow the results are split again at some point. Full disclosure, yes I'm in Oklahoma, and if the results were flipped I'd still be arguing that the Big XII game would be the most recent RRS game.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
This article is about the football matchups, not everything has to go into the same article if someone wants the create an article about the Red River Showdown in basketball they can.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 19:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose DTX Brian's proposal This article is about the OU-Texas football rivalry which includes all games between the two schools including the ones that were not played in the cotton bowl or in the month of October, of which there are 14. Some people seem to think that OU and Texas have only ever played one another in the Cotton Bowl during the second weekend of October when in fact that is not true. And I concur with UCO's statement that if this had been the other way around yall Texas fans would be all for keeping the Big 12 title game in, which I would be all in favor of even though I'm an Oklahoma fan.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 22:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose DTX Brian's proposal Hey! ~ I'm a Texas fan and when I found a RS that called it a rivalry, I edited it in the lead hoping that it would be put to sleep ~ it would not have mattered to me 'one way or another' if Texas would have won or not ~ so go easy on Texas fans were not as stupid as we look ~ plus the chicks really love it when I wear my spurs ~ WP:LOL ~mitch~ ( talk) 23:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC) [1]
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The BigXII Championship is NOT a part of the Red River Shootout, Rivalry, Showdown, etc. It would be very simple to note the Rivalry game series as well as the all time series record with a notation referencing the games that are out of scope. Raz65iii ( talk) 23:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Mitchellhobbs:, @ Dcheagle:. This article could use some updating, the Post-2000s era is too long (and for its size omits 02-04 for some reason.) But also suffers from recentism. The article doesn't mention or barely covers some major parts of the rivalry including the Jack Sisco incident, the 1984 non-INT, or Switzer's spygate. But for some reason can go into detail about 2005, and 2007, which really isn't that important in the scheme of things. Thoughts- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 00:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Red River Showdown → Red River Rivalry – The new official name of the rivalry. It needs to be named as such per WP:COMMONNAME [2] [3] UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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There's a broken URL in the second paragraph of the section titled "Series history". I'm not sure how to fix that. Could someone with more experience take a look please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallyfantastic ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
The inclusion of the Red River Bridge War is silly. the Bridge war was in 1931 and the Shootout started in 1900. The fact is that the shootout refers to boundary disputes between Oklahoma and Texas and the Red River War. The disputes often included Rancher interests and Indians in the disputed area. The reference to the red river Bridge War should be removed. SaltySailor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.217.52 ( talk) 04:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Now that the 2011 game is complete, I would be much obliged if somebody with the necessary privileges would update the information. Relevant news article can be found here. 70.113.200.133 ( talk) 20:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The Cotton Bowl sets East to West so there is no South or North end zone. Just wanted to clear this up. This is why the game is played near noon because the sun would affect the player's vision if it were later in the afternoon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.50.183 ( talk • contribs) 10:11, March 13, 2009
Not so. The stadium field is on a NW and SE line, not East / West. Look at any aerial map. In recent decades the game is played at 2:30, occasionally at 11:00 A.M. No game is scheduled because of the sun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.134.29 ( talk) 23:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
A rewrite of the Meetings section is sorely needed, but I do not have the time nor desire right now to undertake it. Hopefully someone else can or this can serve as a reminder for me in the future. This section reeks of WP:RECENTISM. Very little is provided prior to 1990 and what is provided is hit-and-miss (no writeup for 2002, 2004, & 2006). Ideally, I would like to see this broken down by era or decade. Following the 2009 matchup would be a good time for all 2000-2009 sections to be merged into one decade or Brown/Stoops era section with a length of 2-3 paragraphs.↔ NMajdan• talk 18:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The 2009 section is clearly written with a favorable bias in favor of the University of Texas. While I may re-write it, I'm a bit busy at the moment. Thought I'd post it up.
Warbirdadmiral ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC).
A small edit war has been going on for quite sometime regarding if it is "OU-Texas or Texas-OU" or: "Texas-OU or OU-Texas". This occurs especially during the leadup to the game each year with constant editing of this including deletion of Texas-OU or OU-Texas. I myself am from Dallas and hear it only as "The Texas-OU game" however I have many friends in Norman who refer to it as "The OU-Texas game". I have edited this several times over the past few years citing that we should use alphabetical order in regards to which comes first (even though I refer to it strictly as the Texas-OU game) and to address any vandalism attempts at deleting one reference. What do you all think? Snump ( talk) 01:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
There is not a consensus, and since one cannot be reached the thing to do is to remove the line altogether. The article functions without the unofficial terminology. Jexes23 ( talk) 11:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
A search query of the game will lead you to this article no matter if that line is present or not. While someone who commonly refers to the game as such will know what page they are on with or without that line. We've all read the neutrality policy, hence the reason I mentioned "undue weight" which is outlined in just that policy. Two people disagreeing with one is not a basis for a clear majority. After two weeks of the line being changed back and forth over and over, I think removing the line altogether is the best compromise Jexes23 ( talk) 12:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
This doesn't strike me as a discussion. Hopefully you let the neutral admin know that compromise was out of the question, because you said so. Jexes23 ( talk) 12:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
It can go in one of two orders or be removed. So what is the compromise that you propose once the only compromise to speak of is off of the table? Jexes23 ( talk) 12:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey, hey, let's stop butting heads. Alphabetical order is one compromise; another option would be going by number of external references from reliable sources. I'm not saying this is the option I support, but here's what I'm thinking;
I found more Texas-OU references than I did OU-Texas, but I spent ten minutes looking. However, I'll leave it up to you guys to decide. That's just an unofficial suggestion. Officially, I'm here to ask you guys to stop edit-warring, or I'll have to start handing out blocks. Please, be mature. Next person to revert without consensus will be blocked, so don't do it. m.o.p 07:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that the 2012 football season, which began at 11 this morning, is officially over (roughly 3:00 PM CDT, Sat Oct 13) I just want muddy the water by saying that I, a native of Norman, never referred to it as anything but "the Texas game" until forced by a move to Houston into communicating with foreigners:-) Treethinker ( talk) 20:33, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The Recent games subsection is a bit of a mess. It is broken up into a series of very short blurbs, most of which do not indicate the year of the game being discussed. Since there are five paragraphs, it initially seems to address all games since 2008. However, the last paragraph appears to be a continuation of the prior game discussion. It would be much more readable if the specific games being discussed were noted (by year). It also seems reasonable to keep the discussions in a single paragraph for each game (unless the game is important enough to warrant its own section above). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.54.34 ( talk) 17:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The mention of the games former name is already addressed in the "series history" section. It does not need to be inserted into the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jexes23 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Remove all entries to the series prior to 1930 as they are not part of the overall series and while you are at it please remove the championship game.--Concerned fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:9800:C0C0:89F6:6ED8:9229:F7FA ( talk) 00:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
*I am opening this discussion again ~ I disagree with both of the above editors ~ the red river showdown is about a regular season game between UT and OU at the cotton bowl, it is not about anytime OU or UT plays football together ~ it is specifically about the game in October ~ a national championship game is not a red river showdown ~ ~mitch~ ( talk) 22:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I like it being a chronicle for all games between the teams. If nothing else keep it in the scoring table, count it in the H2H results, reference that they played twice that year, and link to the game summary elsewhere. Ekrekel ( talk) 01:44, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The 2018 big 12 championship game result between Texas and Oklahoma should not be considered part of the Red River Rivalry because of the following differences between the Red River Rivalry and the big 12 championship game:
1a) Red River Rivalry is the "annual" game played between Texas and Oklahoma. 1b) The big 12 championship game is the annual championship game between the top two big 12 teams with the best conference record at the end of the regular reason.
2a) Winner of the Red River Rivalry receives the "Golden Hat" trophy, governor's trophy and NROTC trophy. 2b) Winner of the big 12 championship game receives the big 12 championship trophy.
1a & 2a are already listed in wikipedia as defining what the Red River Rivalry game is. Should the big 12 championship game be included, it does not meet the definition of the Red River Rivalry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satman 99 99 ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
...summarizes key features of the page's subject.Dec 1, 2018, is the last game played in the series as shown within Red River Showdown#Overall game results. The proposal is for the infobox to contradict the article (or perhaps omitted intent is to also expunge the Dec 1 game from the "Overall game results" which would be consistent with that argument). Regardless, the article is correct/consistent as-is AND also consistent with sibling rivalry article treatment as noted above. Side note, there is enough ongoing IP vandalism on this specific topic to request page protection. UW Dawgs ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
The Big 12 Championship was the 114th meeting of the Red River Showdown as stated by both schools in the following links Oklahoma: OU Captures Fourth Straight Big 12 Title Texas: No. 9/9 Football preview: vs. No. 5/5 Oklahoma /(Dec. 1, 2018). So whether you like it or not both schools agree that the Big 12 title game was a red river showdown game just without the Golden hat on the line.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 23:22, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
*Oppose DTX Brian's proposals support Dcheagle this page is about the OU-Texas football rivalry. I'm finally going to come out and say it. Last year, if OU won in Dallas last year, and Texas won the Big XII title game, none of these Texas IPs would be trying to change the page (some in Oklahoma likely would)! In October this will be a moot point, unless somehow the results are split again at some point. Full disclosure, yes I'm in Oklahoma, and if the results were flipped I'd still be arguing that the Big XII game would be the most recent RRS game.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
This article is about the football matchups, not everything has to go into the same article if someone wants the create an article about the Red River Showdown in basketball they can.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 19:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose DTX Brian's proposal This article is about the OU-Texas football rivalry which includes all games between the two schools including the ones that were not played in the cotton bowl or in the month of October, of which there are 14. Some people seem to think that OU and Texas have only ever played one another in the Cotton Bowl during the second weekend of October when in fact that is not true. And I concur with UCO's statement that if this had been the other way around yall Texas fans would be all for keeping the Big 12 title game in, which I would be all in favor of even though I'm an Oklahoma fan.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 22:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose DTX Brian's proposal Hey! ~ I'm a Texas fan and when I found a RS that called it a rivalry, I edited it in the lead hoping that it would be put to sleep ~ it would not have mattered to me 'one way or another' if Texas would have won or not ~ so go easy on Texas fans were not as stupid as we look ~ plus the chicks really love it when I wear my spurs ~ WP:LOL ~mitch~ ( talk) 23:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC) [1]
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The BigXII Championship is NOT a part of the Red River Shootout, Rivalry, Showdown, etc. It would be very simple to note the Rivalry game series as well as the all time series record with a notation referencing the games that are out of scope. Raz65iii ( talk) 23:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Mitchellhobbs:, @ Dcheagle:. This article could use some updating, the Post-2000s era is too long (and for its size omits 02-04 for some reason.) But also suffers from recentism. The article doesn't mention or barely covers some major parts of the rivalry including the Jack Sisco incident, the 1984 non-INT, or Switzer's spygate. But for some reason can go into detail about 2005, and 2007, which really isn't that important in the scheme of things. Thoughts- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 00:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Red River Showdown → Red River Rivalry – The new official name of the rivalry. It needs to be named as such per WP:COMMONNAME [2] [3] UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)