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Time, min | Elevation, ft | Delta time, min | Speed, ft/min |
0 | 0 | 0 | |
9.77 | 14800 | 9.77 | 1,515.36 |
10.47 | 15500 | 0.70 | 1,000.00 |
11.47 | 16500 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
12.43 | 17500 | 0.97 | 1,034.48 |
13.40 | 18500 | 0.97 | 1,034.48 |
14.35 | 19500 | 0.95 | 1,052.63 |
18.23 | 23500 | 3.88 | 1,030.04 |
20.08 | 25500 | 1.85 | 1,081.08 |
21.87 | 27500 | 1.78 | 1,121.50 |
23.70 | 29500 | 1.83 | 1,090.91 |
25.48 | 31500 | 1.78 | 1,121.50 |
27.40 | 33500 | 1.92 | 1,043.48 |
29.32 | 35500 | 1.92 | 1,043.48 |
33.85 | 39500 | 4.53 | 882.35 |
36.00 | 41500 | 2.15 | 930.23 |
40.03 | 45500 | 4.03 | 991.74 |
42.23 | 47500 | 2.20 | 909.09 |
43.30 | 48500 | 1.07 | 937.50 |
45.32 | 50000 | 2.02 | 743.80 |
47.18 | 51500 | 1.87 | 803.57 |
49.95 | 53500 | 2.77 | 722.89 |
51.55 | 54500 | 1.60 | 625.00 |
54.75 | 56500 | 3.20 | 625.00 |
56.70 | 58500 | 1.95 | 1,025.64 |
58.80 | 60000 | 2.10 | 714.29 |
61.45 | 61500 | 2.65 | 566.04 |
64.78 | 64500 | 3.33 | 900.00 |
66.97 | 66500 | 2.18 | 916.03 |
71.58 | 68500 | 4.62 | 433.21 |
72.85 | 69500 | 1.27 | 789.47 |
75.77 | 71500 | 2.92 | 685.71 |
77.57 | 73000 | 1.80 | 833.33 |
78.97 | 74500 | 1.40 | 1,071.43 |
80.00 | 75500 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
81.87 | 77000 | 1.87 | 803.57 |
83.88 | 78500 | 2.02 | 743.80 |
85.77 | 80000 | 1.88 | 796.46 |
86.65 | 81000 | 0.88 | 1,132.08 |
87.52 | 82000 | 0.87 | 1,153.85 |
88.35 | 83000 | 0.83 | 1,200.00 |
89.45 | 84000 | 1.10 | 909.09 |
90.85 | 85000 | 1.40 | 714.29 |
92.55 | 86500 | 1.70 | 882.35 |
93.45 | 87500 | 0.90 | 1,111.11 |
94.43 | 88500 | 0.98 | 1,016.95 |
96.70 | 90500 | 2.27 | 882.35 |
97.78 | 91500 | 1.08 | 923.08 |
99.00 | 92500 | 1.22 | 821.92 |
100.93 | 94500 | 1.93 | 1,034.48 |
102.22 | 95500 | 1.28 | 779.22 |
103.22 | 96500 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
104.25 | 97500 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
105.20 | 98500 | 0.95 | 1,052.63 |
105.70 | 99000 | 0.50 | 1,000.00 |
106.15 | 99500 | 0.45 | 1,111.11 |
106.53 | 100000 | 0.38 | 1,304.35 |
107.30 | 101000 | 0.77 | 1,304.35 |
108.33 | 102000 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
110.73 | 104500 | 2.40 | 1,041.67 |
111.23 | 105000 | 0.50 | 1,000.00 |
112.35 | 106000 | 1.12 | 895.52 |
113.93 | 107000 | 1.58 | 631.58 |
116.63 | 108500 | 2.70 | 555.56 |
117.97 | 110000 | 1.33 | 1,125.00 |
120.50 | 112288 | 2.53 | 903.16 |
121.17 | 113000 | 0.67 | 1,068.00 |
122.17 | 114000 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
123.45 | 115000 | 1.28 | 779.22 |
125.30 | 116000 | 1.85 | 540.54 |
127.43 | 117000 | 2.13 | 468.75 |
128.92 | 119000 | 1.48 | 1,348.31 |
129.57 | 120000 | 0.65 | 1,538.46 |
130.00 | 120500 | 0.43 | 1,153.85 |
130.38 | 121000 | 0.38 | 1,304.35 |
130.90 | 121500 | 0.52 | 967.74 |
131.73 | 122000 | 0.83 | 600.00 |
133.00 | 122077 | 1.27 | 60.79 |
133.50 | 122157 | 0.50 | 160.00 |
134.00 | 122439 | 0.50 | 564.00 |
134.50 | 122925 | 0.50 | 972.00 |
135.00 | 123687 | 0.50 | 1,524.00 |
135.50 | 124608 | 0.50 | 1,842.00 |
136.00 | 125737 | 0.50 | 2,258.00 |
136.50 | 126641 | 0.50 | 1,808.00 |
137.00 | 127268 | 0.50 | 1,254.00 |
138.00 | 127889 | 1.00 | 621.00 |
138.50 | 127774 | 0.50 | (230.00) |
139.00 | 127518 | 0.50 | (512.00) |
139.50 | 127314 | 0.50 | (408.00) |
140.00 | 127242 | 0.50 | (144.00) |
140.50 | 127357 | 0.50 | 230.00 |
141.00 | 127547 | 0.50 | 380.00 |
141.50 | 127672 | 0.50 | 250.00 |
142.00 | 127701 | 0.50 | 58.00 |
142.50 | 127708 | 0.50 | 14.00 |
143.00 | 127794 | 0.50 | 172.00 |
143.50 | 127818 | 0.50 | 48.00 |
144.00 | 127815 | 0.50 | (6.00) |
144.50 | 127783 | 0.50 | (64.00) |
145.00 | 127741 | 0.50 | (84.00) |
146.00 | 127688 | 1.00 | (53.00) |
150.00 | 128043 | 4.00 | 88.75 |
150.50 | 128087 | 0.50 | 88.00 |
155.00 | 128057 | 4.50 | (6.67) |
Time, min | Elevation, ft | Delta time, min | Speed, ft/min |
citation needed *data manually collected from live video stream.
Never mind. I figured it out.
Will there be video taken from the balloon as Baumgartner jumps? Will he have a helmet camera? In general, what telemetry, documentation and footage will be collected? Speciate ( talk) 04:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is the jump scientific. Yes, it will indeed break a record, but is there anything that goes beyond a record? What could possibly be scientific about this jump? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.225.250 ( talk) 15:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
In the Records section, official and unofficial records are selectively mixed.
In the first category, "Highest manned balloon flight", Ross and Prather's 1961, 34668 metre (113,739.9 foot) flight is mentioned while Piantanida's 1966, 37642 metre (123,500 foot) [1] [2] [3] achievement is ignored altogether. Even though Piantanida flew higher, his flight did not meet the requirements of the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) (specifically, he did not return to earth with his balloon - something that Baumgartner will not be doing either). In my opinion, it is right and proper to list Ross and Prather's flight as the record, as it was certified by the FAI.
However, in the second category, "Freefall from highest altitude", the article lists Kittinger's 1960, 31,333 metre (102,799 foot) jump as the 'record', even though Kittinger's jump is not recognised by the FAI. In fact, FAI's website lists Baumgartner's July 2012, 29610 meter (97,145 foot) jump as the altitude record (as a 'preliminary record claim'.) Prior to that, Yevgeni Andreyev held the FAI record for his 1962 jump from 25,460 metres (83,523 feet). In my opinion, either Baumgartner's 2012 jump or Andreyev's 1962 jump should be listed in the article as the current 'record' because they have been recognised by the FAI, but it is not right or proper to list Kittinger's jump as the record to break since it was never recognised by the FAI.
So the article is in the position of discussing an unofficial 'record' (Kittinger's) that the Red Bull project plans to easily break, but omitting an unofficial 'record' (Piantandia's) that it may not break. Why does this article recognise the Kittinger feat and ignore the Piantanida feat? Thoughts on how to make this section more accurately reflect all the achievements of high altitude ballooning?
-- 212.139.244.241 ( talk) 21:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Not wanting to interfere at this time in the article, I think that it should be mentionned that there were no "gusty winds", but ONE_SINGLE gust of ~30km/h, which forced the balloon to ground, risking it to be seriously damaged. According to Baumgartner's later interviews, it was irrelevant that one of two radio communication channels were broke. [w.] 12:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Article introduction says approximately 23 miles, it's actually approx 32
What is, in fact, the speed of sound at 100,000 feet altitude? Acmthompson ( talk) 17:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Speed_of_sound#Tables shows speed of sound to be 1083 km/h at 29 km. So he did break the speed of sound at 1173 km/h (or more) shown on feed. 80.220.71.129 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I think that the metric units should go first and the US/imperial units should go into the brackets. This article is clearly not US-related but of international interest. See WP:MEASUREMENT. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
The article seems to freely interchange AGL and ASL altitudes. Can someone clarify which is meant when altitudes are given? Turkeyphan t 19:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
We need to find out what the consensus of sources is for the record free fall. In the eyes of some, Kittinger's "record" is marred by use of a drogue parachute, and by failure to have the records submitted to the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale. Kittinger dropped from a lower height, and opened his main chute at a higher height, and yet the times were about the same, so the drogue did slow his fall a lot. Please provide links to sources, as I don't really want to use my personal opinion, so we can sort this out. Speciate ( talk) 21:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
How did they get the capsule safely back down? Where did it land? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.140.157 ( talk) 23:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I Think it landed in one of these three locations: Possible Felix Baumgartner The Stratos Project Red Bull Landing Zones
1) 33°21'17.94"N 103°48'18.29"W
2) 33°19'38.64"N 103°45'12.96"W
3) 33°20'24.00"N 103°46'49.08"W
Take Off:
33°18'39.24"N 104°32'21.12"W
mickrussom ( talk) 04:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This article contradicts itself when it comes to Felix's top speed. The lead shows a top speed of 832 mph while the article only has him reaching 706 mph. Some resolution would be nice. Hellbus ( talk) 06:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
I read somewhere that the youtube live stream record was also broken (previous record of concurrent streams was the London Olympics opening ceremony at ~500.000 concurrent connections?) I believe that at the point where he was about to jump the number of concurrent connections passed the 8 million mark? 77.250.38.17 ( talk) 07:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Found a link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/millions-watch-as-felix-baumgartner-378859 Apparently the previous records were way better than the Olympics, but still- a record for the live stream. Felsir ( talk) 07:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Another link: http://mashable.com/2012/10/15/space-jump-youtube-record/ Felsir ( talk) 07:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
There have been some edits to the article stating that Yevgeni Nikolayevich Andreyev previously held the record for longest free fall. I've removed these, as they did not provide a source (and removed a source in the process). Can anyone verify this claim with a reliable source? I can't find anything except reports on how far he fell—even if he had the farthest free fall, that doesn't necessarily equate to the longest, and it's the duration that we're talking about here. Can anyone help? matt ( talk) 07:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Previously I made edits ( here and on Felix Baumgartner) to remove apparently spurious "accuracy", where a figure of 128097 feet was given. (This was obviously due to cumulative rounding errors: converting 128100 feet (as quoted in newspapers) to 39044.88m, then converting 39044m back to 128097.11ft, truncating both times.)
Now having looked for more accurate data, I find that they're probably off by about 90 metres. But I'm not sure if this has sufficient validity to include in the main article:
The YouTube video includes the final 111 seconds of the ascent, of which the first 74 seconds included a telemetry display.
The video starts at 2h34m05s on mission clock, with telemetry showing 38906m/127645ft, and at 2h35m18s the final telemetry shown was 39058m/128143ft; the jump occurred 38 seconds later at 2h35m56s.
A simple calculation shows that the balloon was still rising by about 2.04 metres per second at this height, so the actual jump height was about 39137m, or about 300ft higher than the 128100 ft quoted in the news articles.
Martin Kealey ( talk) 07:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Would be great if we could have some video footage of the jump on Wikipedia, if that's possible. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 11:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In this article, there are conflicting statements concerning the comparison of Baumgartner's free fall and of Kittinger's free fall:
Could someone please verify and correct the information for reason of consistency? -- White rotten rabbit ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Same newspapers that are claiming now Baumgartner reached a speed of 1342 km/h, well beyond any sound speed at any altitude, were initially talking of a max. speed no more than 1137 km/h.
The BBC article ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19943590 ), quoted as reference here, just states "Austrian Felix Baumgartner has become the first skydiver to go faster than the speed of sound, reaching a maximum velocity of 833.9mph (1,342km/h)." without citing any source for that top speed of 1,342km/h.
Some who attempted 'space diving' pre-breathed oxygen - Article doesn't seem to say if Felix did. - Rod57 ( talk) 23:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
So what happened to the balloon? -- 68.17.126.75 ( talk) 01:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the article needs information about the fate of the balloon and the capsule.
I also think the article needs to debunk the "edge of space" claim.
Conscientia ( talk) 06:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I think the following sentence in the article is partially not correct:
At the deployment altitude, Baumgartner could have continued to fall safely for another 20 seconds, but it was difficult for him to verify his exact altitude.
According to Baumgartner's answer to a question of a reporter at the press conference it was planned in advance to open the parachute at 5,000 feet. (see the footage here, at time 8:41). Thus, it seems that difficulties to verify the altitude was not the reason for doing it. Gugganij ( talk) 19:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the context of the following sentence: "After preliminary analysis, it was announced that Baumgartner broke three of the four planned records" What was the fourth record that he failed to break? 173.15.5.185 ( talk) 18:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I propose swapping around the two images being used in this article. The project logo is currently being used as the lead image, but I feel that the photographs showing his actual jump are more relevant and contain more detail about what he was doing. The only problem is that the photographs might be a bit big. EryZ ( talk) 04:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any valid information about the coordinates and the elevation of the "ground zero" of the jump site? Do the 39000 metres refer to the altitude above sea level or above ground? According to Google Earth, the elevation at the launch site is more than 1100 m (or 3600 ft), and is probably similar at the jump/landing site, so this is clearly relevant (also when judging whether Baumgartner could have extended his free fall safely for another 20 seconds or not).-- SiriusB ( talk) 08:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I have a problem with the following sentence:
Within two minutes he appeared to enter an uncontrolled spin which could have been fatal.
I've been over the data from the jump. It appears that Felix was accelerating during the first 30 seconds of the jump, supersonic during the next 30 seconds and then decelerating during the last 30 seconds before stable flight. Mission Control acknowledged that Felix was stable after 1 minute 30 seconds. In fact, it appeared that he was stable at about 1 minute 20 seconds to 23 seconds.
This would therefore correspond with the following flight profile (all figures are rough estimation and approximate):
Time: 0 seconds Altitude: 39,044 metres (128,100 feet) Speed: 0 kilometres per hour (0 mph) State: Stationary and Stable
Time: 30 seconds Altitude: 33,000 metres (110,000 feet) Speed: 1,000 kilometres per hour (621 mph) State: Still accelerating to maximum speed and spinning slowly
Time: 33 seconds Altitude: 32,000 metres (106,000 feet) Speed: 1,083 kilometres per hour (673 mph) State: Supersonic, but still accelerating to maximum speed and spinning slowly 109.149.112.31 ( talk) 13:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Time: 37 seconds Altitude: 30,000 metres (99,000 feet) Speed: 1,342.8 kilometres per hour (833.5 mph) State: At maximum speed and spinning faster
Time: 60 seconds Altitude: 18,000 metres (60,000 feet) height that Concorde flew (thin air building resistance) Speed: 1,342.8 kilometres per hour (833.5 mph) State: Deceleration starts, but now spinning rapidly on both horizontal and vertical axes
Time: 90 seconds (or about 1 minute 23 seconds) Altitude: 12,000 metres (40,000 feet) height that airliners fly (thick air) Speed: 320 kilometres per hour (200 mph) State: Deceleration complete and stable at terminal velocity (albeit faster in thin atmosphere)
My point is that the sentence says: Within two minutes he appeared to enter an uncontrolled spin which could have been fatal. However, the sentence is not strictly true because although he did enter an uncontrolled spin during the first two minutes of the jump, it was over by 1 minute 20 (or 1 minute 23 seconds). The sentence suggests that the spin lasted 2 minutes when it actually only lasted at most 53 seconds or 1 minute.
The sentence could be revised to say:
An uncontrolled spin started within the first minute of the jump which could have been fatal, but it ended at 1 minute 23 seconds when Felix regained stability.
Nigelpwsmith ( talk) 01:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions "Joseph Kittinger [...] became involved with the mission [...]" only when the narrative has reached 2012, whereas in the documentary Space Dive I think it said he had been involved in the mission for 4 years.
The same documentary gave the impression that the extensive project delays resulted from a combination of engineering and team management problems, plus Baumgartner's fear of wearing the pressure suit. Neither of those factors is mentioned here. Instead the article mentions a lawsuit which the documentary didn't mention at all (maybe for legal reasons, I don't know).
86.167.19.237 ( talk) 03:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The apparent 'controversy' header in the table of contents is more suggestive than what the actual 'controversy' really is. I understand it is a Wikipedia norm to use that header for discussion points, but I feel it's far too suggestive and 'clickbait' like. There's no need to create 'controversy' where there really is none except some semantics over one exclamation made by the team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.12.141.84 ( talk) 20:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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Elevation data | |||
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Time, min | Elevation, ft | Delta time, min | Speed, ft/min |
0 | 0 | 0 | |
9.77 | 14800 | 9.77 | 1,515.36 |
10.47 | 15500 | 0.70 | 1,000.00 |
11.47 | 16500 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
12.43 | 17500 | 0.97 | 1,034.48 |
13.40 | 18500 | 0.97 | 1,034.48 |
14.35 | 19500 | 0.95 | 1,052.63 |
18.23 | 23500 | 3.88 | 1,030.04 |
20.08 | 25500 | 1.85 | 1,081.08 |
21.87 | 27500 | 1.78 | 1,121.50 |
23.70 | 29500 | 1.83 | 1,090.91 |
25.48 | 31500 | 1.78 | 1,121.50 |
27.40 | 33500 | 1.92 | 1,043.48 |
29.32 | 35500 | 1.92 | 1,043.48 |
33.85 | 39500 | 4.53 | 882.35 |
36.00 | 41500 | 2.15 | 930.23 |
40.03 | 45500 | 4.03 | 991.74 |
42.23 | 47500 | 2.20 | 909.09 |
43.30 | 48500 | 1.07 | 937.50 |
45.32 | 50000 | 2.02 | 743.80 |
47.18 | 51500 | 1.87 | 803.57 |
49.95 | 53500 | 2.77 | 722.89 |
51.55 | 54500 | 1.60 | 625.00 |
54.75 | 56500 | 3.20 | 625.00 |
56.70 | 58500 | 1.95 | 1,025.64 |
58.80 | 60000 | 2.10 | 714.29 |
61.45 | 61500 | 2.65 | 566.04 |
64.78 | 64500 | 3.33 | 900.00 |
66.97 | 66500 | 2.18 | 916.03 |
71.58 | 68500 | 4.62 | 433.21 |
72.85 | 69500 | 1.27 | 789.47 |
75.77 | 71500 | 2.92 | 685.71 |
77.57 | 73000 | 1.80 | 833.33 |
78.97 | 74500 | 1.40 | 1,071.43 |
80.00 | 75500 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
81.87 | 77000 | 1.87 | 803.57 |
83.88 | 78500 | 2.02 | 743.80 |
85.77 | 80000 | 1.88 | 796.46 |
86.65 | 81000 | 0.88 | 1,132.08 |
87.52 | 82000 | 0.87 | 1,153.85 |
88.35 | 83000 | 0.83 | 1,200.00 |
89.45 | 84000 | 1.10 | 909.09 |
90.85 | 85000 | 1.40 | 714.29 |
92.55 | 86500 | 1.70 | 882.35 |
93.45 | 87500 | 0.90 | 1,111.11 |
94.43 | 88500 | 0.98 | 1,016.95 |
96.70 | 90500 | 2.27 | 882.35 |
97.78 | 91500 | 1.08 | 923.08 |
99.00 | 92500 | 1.22 | 821.92 |
100.93 | 94500 | 1.93 | 1,034.48 |
102.22 | 95500 | 1.28 | 779.22 |
103.22 | 96500 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
104.25 | 97500 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
105.20 | 98500 | 0.95 | 1,052.63 |
105.70 | 99000 | 0.50 | 1,000.00 |
106.15 | 99500 | 0.45 | 1,111.11 |
106.53 | 100000 | 0.38 | 1,304.35 |
107.30 | 101000 | 0.77 | 1,304.35 |
108.33 | 102000 | 1.03 | 967.74 |
110.73 | 104500 | 2.40 | 1,041.67 |
111.23 | 105000 | 0.50 | 1,000.00 |
112.35 | 106000 | 1.12 | 895.52 |
113.93 | 107000 | 1.58 | 631.58 |
116.63 | 108500 | 2.70 | 555.56 |
117.97 | 110000 | 1.33 | 1,125.00 |
120.50 | 112288 | 2.53 | 903.16 |
121.17 | 113000 | 0.67 | 1,068.00 |
122.17 | 114000 | 1.00 | 1,000.00 |
123.45 | 115000 | 1.28 | 779.22 |
125.30 | 116000 | 1.85 | 540.54 |
127.43 | 117000 | 2.13 | 468.75 |
128.92 | 119000 | 1.48 | 1,348.31 |
129.57 | 120000 | 0.65 | 1,538.46 |
130.00 | 120500 | 0.43 | 1,153.85 |
130.38 | 121000 | 0.38 | 1,304.35 |
130.90 | 121500 | 0.52 | 967.74 |
131.73 | 122000 | 0.83 | 600.00 |
133.00 | 122077 | 1.27 | 60.79 |
133.50 | 122157 | 0.50 | 160.00 |
134.00 | 122439 | 0.50 | 564.00 |
134.50 | 122925 | 0.50 | 972.00 |
135.00 | 123687 | 0.50 | 1,524.00 |
135.50 | 124608 | 0.50 | 1,842.00 |
136.00 | 125737 | 0.50 | 2,258.00 |
136.50 | 126641 | 0.50 | 1,808.00 |
137.00 | 127268 | 0.50 | 1,254.00 |
138.00 | 127889 | 1.00 | 621.00 |
138.50 | 127774 | 0.50 | (230.00) |
139.00 | 127518 | 0.50 | (512.00) |
139.50 | 127314 | 0.50 | (408.00) |
140.00 | 127242 | 0.50 | (144.00) |
140.50 | 127357 | 0.50 | 230.00 |
141.00 | 127547 | 0.50 | 380.00 |
141.50 | 127672 | 0.50 | 250.00 |
142.00 | 127701 | 0.50 | 58.00 |
142.50 | 127708 | 0.50 | 14.00 |
143.00 | 127794 | 0.50 | 172.00 |
143.50 | 127818 | 0.50 | 48.00 |
144.00 | 127815 | 0.50 | (6.00) |
144.50 | 127783 | 0.50 | (64.00) |
145.00 | 127741 | 0.50 | (84.00) |
146.00 | 127688 | 1.00 | (53.00) |
150.00 | 128043 | 4.00 | 88.75 |
150.50 | 128087 | 0.50 | 88.00 |
155.00 | 128057 | 4.50 | (6.67) |
Time, min | Elevation, ft | Delta time, min | Speed, ft/min |
citation needed *data manually collected from live video stream.
Never mind. I figured it out.
Will there be video taken from the balloon as Baumgartner jumps? Will he have a helmet camera? In general, what telemetry, documentation and footage will be collected? Speciate ( talk) 04:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is the jump scientific. Yes, it will indeed break a record, but is there anything that goes beyond a record? What could possibly be scientific about this jump? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.225.250 ( talk) 15:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
In the Records section, official and unofficial records are selectively mixed.
In the first category, "Highest manned balloon flight", Ross and Prather's 1961, 34668 metre (113,739.9 foot) flight is mentioned while Piantanida's 1966, 37642 metre (123,500 foot) [1] [2] [3] achievement is ignored altogether. Even though Piantanida flew higher, his flight did not meet the requirements of the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) (specifically, he did not return to earth with his balloon - something that Baumgartner will not be doing either). In my opinion, it is right and proper to list Ross and Prather's flight as the record, as it was certified by the FAI.
However, in the second category, "Freefall from highest altitude", the article lists Kittinger's 1960, 31,333 metre (102,799 foot) jump as the 'record', even though Kittinger's jump is not recognised by the FAI. In fact, FAI's website lists Baumgartner's July 2012, 29610 meter (97,145 foot) jump as the altitude record (as a 'preliminary record claim'.) Prior to that, Yevgeni Andreyev held the FAI record for his 1962 jump from 25,460 metres (83,523 feet). In my opinion, either Baumgartner's 2012 jump or Andreyev's 1962 jump should be listed in the article as the current 'record' because they have been recognised by the FAI, but it is not right or proper to list Kittinger's jump as the record to break since it was never recognised by the FAI.
So the article is in the position of discussing an unofficial 'record' (Kittinger's) that the Red Bull project plans to easily break, but omitting an unofficial 'record' (Piantandia's) that it may not break. Why does this article recognise the Kittinger feat and ignore the Piantanida feat? Thoughts on how to make this section more accurately reflect all the achievements of high altitude ballooning?
-- 212.139.244.241 ( talk) 21:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Not wanting to interfere at this time in the article, I think that it should be mentionned that there were no "gusty winds", but ONE_SINGLE gust of ~30km/h, which forced the balloon to ground, risking it to be seriously damaged. According to Baumgartner's later interviews, it was irrelevant that one of two radio communication channels were broke. [w.] 12:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Article introduction says approximately 23 miles, it's actually approx 32
What is, in fact, the speed of sound at 100,000 feet altitude? Acmthompson ( talk) 17:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Speed_of_sound#Tables shows speed of sound to be 1083 km/h at 29 km. So he did break the speed of sound at 1173 km/h (or more) shown on feed. 80.220.71.129 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I think that the metric units should go first and the US/imperial units should go into the brackets. This article is clearly not US-related but of international interest. See WP:MEASUREMENT. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
The article seems to freely interchange AGL and ASL altitudes. Can someone clarify which is meant when altitudes are given? Turkeyphan t 19:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
We need to find out what the consensus of sources is for the record free fall. In the eyes of some, Kittinger's "record" is marred by use of a drogue parachute, and by failure to have the records submitted to the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale. Kittinger dropped from a lower height, and opened his main chute at a higher height, and yet the times were about the same, so the drogue did slow his fall a lot. Please provide links to sources, as I don't really want to use my personal opinion, so we can sort this out. Speciate ( talk) 21:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
How did they get the capsule safely back down? Where did it land? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.140.157 ( talk) 23:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I Think it landed in one of these three locations: Possible Felix Baumgartner The Stratos Project Red Bull Landing Zones
1) 33°21'17.94"N 103°48'18.29"W
2) 33°19'38.64"N 103°45'12.96"W
3) 33°20'24.00"N 103°46'49.08"W
Take Off:
33°18'39.24"N 104°32'21.12"W
mickrussom ( talk) 04:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This article contradicts itself when it comes to Felix's top speed. The lead shows a top speed of 832 mph while the article only has him reaching 706 mph. Some resolution would be nice. Hellbus ( talk) 06:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
I read somewhere that the youtube live stream record was also broken (previous record of concurrent streams was the London Olympics opening ceremony at ~500.000 concurrent connections?) I believe that at the point where he was about to jump the number of concurrent connections passed the 8 million mark? 77.250.38.17 ( talk) 07:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Found a link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/millions-watch-as-felix-baumgartner-378859 Apparently the previous records were way better than the Olympics, but still- a record for the live stream. Felsir ( talk) 07:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Another link: http://mashable.com/2012/10/15/space-jump-youtube-record/ Felsir ( talk) 07:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
There have been some edits to the article stating that Yevgeni Nikolayevich Andreyev previously held the record for longest free fall. I've removed these, as they did not provide a source (and removed a source in the process). Can anyone verify this claim with a reliable source? I can't find anything except reports on how far he fell—even if he had the farthest free fall, that doesn't necessarily equate to the longest, and it's the duration that we're talking about here. Can anyone help? matt ( talk) 07:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Previously I made edits ( here and on Felix Baumgartner) to remove apparently spurious "accuracy", where a figure of 128097 feet was given. (This was obviously due to cumulative rounding errors: converting 128100 feet (as quoted in newspapers) to 39044.88m, then converting 39044m back to 128097.11ft, truncating both times.)
Now having looked for more accurate data, I find that they're probably off by about 90 metres. But I'm not sure if this has sufficient validity to include in the main article:
The YouTube video includes the final 111 seconds of the ascent, of which the first 74 seconds included a telemetry display.
The video starts at 2h34m05s on mission clock, with telemetry showing 38906m/127645ft, and at 2h35m18s the final telemetry shown was 39058m/128143ft; the jump occurred 38 seconds later at 2h35m56s.
A simple calculation shows that the balloon was still rising by about 2.04 metres per second at this height, so the actual jump height was about 39137m, or about 300ft higher than the 128100 ft quoted in the news articles.
Martin Kealey ( talk) 07:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Would be great if we could have some video footage of the jump on Wikipedia, if that's possible. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 11:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In this article, there are conflicting statements concerning the comparison of Baumgartner's free fall and of Kittinger's free fall:
Could someone please verify and correct the information for reason of consistency? -- White rotten rabbit ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Same newspapers that are claiming now Baumgartner reached a speed of 1342 km/h, well beyond any sound speed at any altitude, were initially talking of a max. speed no more than 1137 km/h.
The BBC article ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19943590 ), quoted as reference here, just states "Austrian Felix Baumgartner has become the first skydiver to go faster than the speed of sound, reaching a maximum velocity of 833.9mph (1,342km/h)." without citing any source for that top speed of 1,342km/h.
Some who attempted 'space diving' pre-breathed oxygen - Article doesn't seem to say if Felix did. - Rod57 ( talk) 23:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
So what happened to the balloon? -- 68.17.126.75 ( talk) 01:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the article needs information about the fate of the balloon and the capsule.
I also think the article needs to debunk the "edge of space" claim.
Conscientia ( talk) 06:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I think the following sentence in the article is partially not correct:
At the deployment altitude, Baumgartner could have continued to fall safely for another 20 seconds, but it was difficult for him to verify his exact altitude.
According to Baumgartner's answer to a question of a reporter at the press conference it was planned in advance to open the parachute at 5,000 feet. (see the footage here, at time 8:41). Thus, it seems that difficulties to verify the altitude was not the reason for doing it. Gugganij ( talk) 19:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the context of the following sentence: "After preliminary analysis, it was announced that Baumgartner broke three of the four planned records" What was the fourth record that he failed to break? 173.15.5.185 ( talk) 18:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I propose swapping around the two images being used in this article. The project logo is currently being used as the lead image, but I feel that the photographs showing his actual jump are more relevant and contain more detail about what he was doing. The only problem is that the photographs might be a bit big. EryZ ( talk) 04:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any valid information about the coordinates and the elevation of the "ground zero" of the jump site? Do the 39000 metres refer to the altitude above sea level or above ground? According to Google Earth, the elevation at the launch site is more than 1100 m (or 3600 ft), and is probably similar at the jump/landing site, so this is clearly relevant (also when judging whether Baumgartner could have extended his free fall safely for another 20 seconds or not).-- SiriusB ( talk) 08:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I have a problem with the following sentence:
Within two minutes he appeared to enter an uncontrolled spin which could have been fatal.
I've been over the data from the jump. It appears that Felix was accelerating during the first 30 seconds of the jump, supersonic during the next 30 seconds and then decelerating during the last 30 seconds before stable flight. Mission Control acknowledged that Felix was stable after 1 minute 30 seconds. In fact, it appeared that he was stable at about 1 minute 20 seconds to 23 seconds.
This would therefore correspond with the following flight profile (all figures are rough estimation and approximate):
Time: 0 seconds Altitude: 39,044 metres (128,100 feet) Speed: 0 kilometres per hour (0 mph) State: Stationary and Stable
Time: 30 seconds Altitude: 33,000 metres (110,000 feet) Speed: 1,000 kilometres per hour (621 mph) State: Still accelerating to maximum speed and spinning slowly
Time: 33 seconds Altitude: 32,000 metres (106,000 feet) Speed: 1,083 kilometres per hour (673 mph) State: Supersonic, but still accelerating to maximum speed and spinning slowly 109.149.112.31 ( talk) 13:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Time: 37 seconds Altitude: 30,000 metres (99,000 feet) Speed: 1,342.8 kilometres per hour (833.5 mph) State: At maximum speed and spinning faster
Time: 60 seconds Altitude: 18,000 metres (60,000 feet) height that Concorde flew (thin air building resistance) Speed: 1,342.8 kilometres per hour (833.5 mph) State: Deceleration starts, but now spinning rapidly on both horizontal and vertical axes
Time: 90 seconds (or about 1 minute 23 seconds) Altitude: 12,000 metres (40,000 feet) height that airliners fly (thick air) Speed: 320 kilometres per hour (200 mph) State: Deceleration complete and stable at terminal velocity (albeit faster in thin atmosphere)
My point is that the sentence says: Within two minutes he appeared to enter an uncontrolled spin which could have been fatal. However, the sentence is not strictly true because although he did enter an uncontrolled spin during the first two minutes of the jump, it was over by 1 minute 20 (or 1 minute 23 seconds). The sentence suggests that the spin lasted 2 minutes when it actually only lasted at most 53 seconds or 1 minute.
The sentence could be revised to say:
An uncontrolled spin started within the first minute of the jump which could have been fatal, but it ended at 1 minute 23 seconds when Felix regained stability.
Nigelpwsmith ( talk) 01:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions "Joseph Kittinger [...] became involved with the mission [...]" only when the narrative has reached 2012, whereas in the documentary Space Dive I think it said he had been involved in the mission for 4 years.
The same documentary gave the impression that the extensive project delays resulted from a combination of engineering and team management problems, plus Baumgartner's fear of wearing the pressure suit. Neither of those factors is mentioned here. Instead the article mentions a lawsuit which the documentary didn't mention at all (maybe for legal reasons, I don't know).
86.167.19.237 ( talk) 03:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The apparent 'controversy' header in the table of contents is more suggestive than what the actual 'controversy' really is. I understand it is a Wikipedia norm to use that header for discussion points, but I feel it's far too suggestive and 'clickbait' like. There's no need to create 'controversy' where there really is none except some semantics over one exclamation made by the team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.12.141.84 ( talk) 20:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)