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"please provide proof that working class children are not allowed to apply for Gymnasium or Realschule"
It is not necessary to prove that working-class children are "not allowed to apply" for particular schools in Germany when I say that school systems in Germany separate children "largely according to class"; the PISA study itself came to this uncontentious finding, so I have added a reference. It would be no problem to provide other references for this, Greatgreenwhale...
Otherwise, the statement that children in a particular type of school are more altruistic is not an argument in favor of dividing children up. If anything, children not in that school type (here, Realschulen) should be put in the other schools to become more empathetic; in other words, you are arguing that (apparently unintentionally) that children from Hauptschulen and Gymnasien should be put in Realschulen to become nicer. If you want to argue that separating children at an early age makes them more empathetic than putting them into the kind of Gesamtschulen that exist in every other democracy outside the German-speaking world, you would have to demonstrate that children become more altruistic/empathetic or what ever in each of these other school types then they would be in a Gesamtschule -- at least, if you want to be logical about it. Petiteplanete ( talk) 10:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
"After 8th grade one has to choose between arts and music." Is this supposed to be true of all Realschulen or is it talking about Baden-Württemberg? Because schools are a matter of the Länder and a lot of things differ from Bundesland to Bundesland. I didn't go to a Realschule, so I don't know that much about them, but I cannot image that in all Realschulen throughout the country you have to choose between art and music after 8th grade. Actually, I find it hard to image that that would be the case in all Realschulen in one Bundesland. I went to a Gymnasium and in my town, in every one of the 5 Gymnasien it was very different which subjects you had to take and which ones you could choose at what point. The school system allows for a whole lot of variation. -- Laryngoskop ( talk) 04:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Do the Germans actually use a system of dividing the years into grades like the Americans? If so what is meant by 8th grade and 6th grade? Can someone enlighten us as to the ages of pupils in these school years? Dahliarose ( talk) 09:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- The grades / ages are the same as K12 is the US, for instance. You basically start first grade, which is even called "erste Klasse," when you are six, though you do have an option of starting or waiting a year if your birthday falls close to the beginning of the school year. Petiteplanete ( talk) 10:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
So they send a Brazilian?
Brazil's international rankings: Institute for Economics and Peace Global Peace Index: 85 out of 144 // United Nations Development Programme Human Development Index: 75 out of 182 // Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index: 75 out of 180 // World Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Report 56 out of 133
Oh well, Wikipedia is not a discussion forum... amarite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.138 ( talk) 02:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually I think they did not send a Brazilian, but a guy from Consta Rica. I also wonder wether the source. "justlanded.com" is a good one. Who is that "Peter", who answered the question? The source does not state his last name.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 08:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed the part about the referendum done in Hamburg if students should be streamed after 4th or 6th grade. This does not involve the Realschule (which would have been abolished not matter which outcome the referendum had) and thus is not the topic of this article. I copypasted this into Education in Hamburg. I removed also some personal opinions an editor inserted about persons he did not agree with. He or she called their arguments "bizarre" and "a classic example of fighting-for-peace-and-f*cking-for-virginity logic". While everybody is welcome to think of other peoples opinions as bizarre or illogical, Wikipedia articles are not the right place to express those feelings. This is not a blog or bulletin board.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 23:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure if that list makes sense. Do you know, how many people there are, who graduated from a Realschule? It is just like having a list "high school alumni" in the article about High schools. The Realschule is a pretty common school and has many many alumni.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 11:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
"Finally, no democratic society outside the German-speaking world, has tripartite school systems that separate children largely according to background..."
Isn't the German system very similar to the Dutch system, which is currently ranked very highly (9th in the world)? 70.138.218.244 ( talk) 01:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
This needs to be renamed in English since the word has not entered common English vocabulary. To try to retain some subtlety, I would call it "General High School (Germany)" or "Open Admission High School {Germany}." Student7 ( talk) 12:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
==Translation of the History of the Realschule I translated the german version from german to english,as best i could. For questions or critics youre welcome.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkramarz ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
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"please provide proof that working class children are not allowed to apply for Gymnasium or Realschule"
It is not necessary to prove that working-class children are "not allowed to apply" for particular schools in Germany when I say that school systems in Germany separate children "largely according to class"; the PISA study itself came to this uncontentious finding, so I have added a reference. It would be no problem to provide other references for this, Greatgreenwhale...
Otherwise, the statement that children in a particular type of school are more altruistic is not an argument in favor of dividing children up. If anything, children not in that school type (here, Realschulen) should be put in the other schools to become more empathetic; in other words, you are arguing that (apparently unintentionally) that children from Hauptschulen and Gymnasien should be put in Realschulen to become nicer. If you want to argue that separating children at an early age makes them more empathetic than putting them into the kind of Gesamtschulen that exist in every other democracy outside the German-speaking world, you would have to demonstrate that children become more altruistic/empathetic or what ever in each of these other school types then they would be in a Gesamtschule -- at least, if you want to be logical about it. Petiteplanete ( talk) 10:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
"After 8th grade one has to choose between arts and music." Is this supposed to be true of all Realschulen or is it talking about Baden-Württemberg? Because schools are a matter of the Länder and a lot of things differ from Bundesland to Bundesland. I didn't go to a Realschule, so I don't know that much about them, but I cannot image that in all Realschulen throughout the country you have to choose between art and music after 8th grade. Actually, I find it hard to image that that would be the case in all Realschulen in one Bundesland. I went to a Gymnasium and in my town, in every one of the 5 Gymnasien it was very different which subjects you had to take and which ones you could choose at what point. The school system allows for a whole lot of variation. -- Laryngoskop ( talk) 04:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Do the Germans actually use a system of dividing the years into grades like the Americans? If so what is meant by 8th grade and 6th grade? Can someone enlighten us as to the ages of pupils in these school years? Dahliarose ( talk) 09:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- The grades / ages are the same as K12 is the US, for instance. You basically start first grade, which is even called "erste Klasse," when you are six, though you do have an option of starting or waiting a year if your birthday falls close to the beginning of the school year. Petiteplanete ( talk) 10:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
So they send a Brazilian?
Brazil's international rankings: Institute for Economics and Peace Global Peace Index: 85 out of 144 // United Nations Development Programme Human Development Index: 75 out of 182 // Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index: 75 out of 180 // World Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Report 56 out of 133
Oh well, Wikipedia is not a discussion forum... amarite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.138 ( talk) 02:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually I think they did not send a Brazilian, but a guy from Consta Rica. I also wonder wether the source. "justlanded.com" is a good one. Who is that "Peter", who answered the question? The source does not state his last name.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 08:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed the part about the referendum done in Hamburg if students should be streamed after 4th or 6th grade. This does not involve the Realschule (which would have been abolished not matter which outcome the referendum had) and thus is not the topic of this article. I copypasted this into Education in Hamburg. I removed also some personal opinions an editor inserted about persons he did not agree with. He or she called their arguments "bizarre" and "a classic example of fighting-for-peace-and-f*cking-for-virginity logic". While everybody is welcome to think of other peoples opinions as bizarre or illogical, Wikipedia articles are not the right place to express those feelings. This is not a blog or bulletin board.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 23:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure if that list makes sense. Do you know, how many people there are, who graduated from a Realschule? It is just like having a list "high school alumni" in the article about High schools. The Realschule is a pretty common school and has many many alumni.-- Greatgreenwhale ( talk) 11:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
"Finally, no democratic society outside the German-speaking world, has tripartite school systems that separate children largely according to background..."
Isn't the German system very similar to the Dutch system, which is currently ranked very highly (9th in the world)? 70.138.218.244 ( talk) 01:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
This needs to be renamed in English since the word has not entered common English vocabulary. To try to retain some subtlety, I would call it "General High School (Germany)" or "Open Admission High School {Germany}." Student7 ( talk) 12:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
==Translation of the History of the Realschule I translated the german version from german to english,as best i could. For questions or critics youre welcome.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkramarz ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
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