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I uploaded the logo here:
File:RabbitEarsLogo.gif, but I need info on the licensing for it. You can add it yourself, but I can do it if you need help (I hate dealing with images since their 10x worse then dealing with articles when it comes to deletion, but I at least know how to deal with Wikitext). You may end up needing to file an OTRS ticket about it, but I'll have to look into that.
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talk to Ω) 18:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
You'll need to update the
READS page on your site with (preferably) a
Creative Commons license, since that's the most comparable that I know of with your stated usage restrictions. You can of course choose any license that you like, but you must add some sort of license info to the copyright notice on the bottom of the READS page for it to be available for use on Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses
CC-BY-SA 3.0 and
Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License, so the standard is to require a compatible license. I don't really know the actual legal ramifications of licensing (and, quite honestly, I'm ideologically opposed to the existence of copyright in it's current form anyway), so I highly recommend speaking to someone with real legal knowledge.
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talk to Ω) 20:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for this. I do appreciate it. I'm not so much upset about the removal (though I was at first) as much as I am disappointed that the hours of work I put into it can't be used here. Of course, I designed it for RabbitEars first and Wikipedia came later, but still. I mean, I even set up a nifty template just for Wikipedia! (It's not perfect, but that's not my fault.) My method is VERY simple. Take US Census data, go to each location, determine which set of local stations has the strongest field strength using the FCC's Longley-Rice signal strength calculation method, and assign it to that market accordingly. Some of it was automated, but large amounts of it were incorrect and had to be redone by hand. I spent at least 30 hours total, probably more, going through it by hand and making sure it was all correct.
Anyway, I dug up a number of articles, though I don't know which are relevant to you.
www.ehow.com/how_4786104_improve-overtheair-digital-tv-reception.html (This one was blocked by a filter)
Crutchfield
WCCB-TV
WOLO-TV
Ventura County Star
Gotham Sound
Columbus Dispatch
Washington Apple Pi
Lectrosonics
Washington Post #1
Washington Post #2
Washington Post #3
Plus this was an article I wrote for the local newspaper that got published: Southside Messenger You might also check the RabbitEars FAQ page for details about the various people involved and whatnot. I can provide you any additional details you might require.
The one thing that I think is often missed is that the site was built for myself first and foremost. If I didn't post it online publicly, I'd simply have all this information in a text document on my local machine. If I'm going to go through all that effort, why not post it publicly for all to benefit from? TripEricson ( talk) 00:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Keep in mind that RabbitEars was not originally started in order to do anything specific to Nielsen. The READS Ranks were created as a response to Nielsen; the site itself already existed at that time. TripEricson ( talk) 16:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
1)
Citation for 100000watts.com. Scott Fybush is the current editor of 100000watts.
2) Textual lists:
Subchannels and
Digital Transitional Reports.
3) Mobile DTV's article is at
ATSC-M/H.
4) I checked through my e-mail logs, and Falcon_77's spreadsheet was added to RabbitEars on July 29, 2008.
5) Technically, I consider the site to have launched on April 14, 2008. I registered the name in 2004, but in all honesty, it didn't do much of anything at that point, so I'm not sure how fair it is to say that it was "formed" at that point.
6) I need to read up on the licensing for the READS Ranks, but I really don't have the time to. It should be a Creative Commons license of some kind I would hope. Basically, I claim the copyright on the data only enough to protect it from someone swiping it and sticking their own name on it. (A lot of man-hours went into compiling it, otherwise I wouldn't care at all.) Otherwise, anyone can use it anywhere. All I want is credit.
7) I don't know what the deal would be on the logo. Let me know what you find out. As far as I'm concerned, using it here is fair use and I'd be prepared to file an OTRS ticket on it and on the rankings if needed.
Is there anything else I can help with? :) TripEricson ( talk) 21:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been downplaying the website slightly in the article, so far. It's not that I dislike the site or anything, but the organization that you guys have seems more important then just the site. Just looking at it all, it seems to me that the site is just the front-end of the organization, with all of the data located on the site being the real "work product".
The question there though is, how accurate is that view? I don't see anything about registering RabbitEars as an actual organization of any kind (corporation, non-profit, or whatever), but if it has that info would be important to have. If you haven't registered it at all, you'll probably want to seriously consider doing so, simply to protect yourself and all of your contributors. I know that doing that will probably be a pain, but it will likely be a requirement going forward anyway.
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talk to Ω) 21:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
You would not actually have the full list in the article - you'd simply have the first paragraph. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
That template has to go as well - the majority of the references are about DTV locations, I see nothing that saws the ranking system has been accepted as a standard. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Editor who created the page also created the site. ~ T P W 17:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
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I uploaded the logo here:
File:RabbitEarsLogo.gif, but I need info on the licensing for it. You can add it yourself, but I can do it if you need help (I hate dealing with images since their 10x worse then dealing with articles when it comes to deletion, but I at least know how to deal with Wikitext). You may end up needing to file an OTRS ticket about it, but I'll have to look into that.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω) 18:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
You'll need to update the
READS page on your site with (preferably) a
Creative Commons license, since that's the most comparable that I know of with your stated usage restrictions. You can of course choose any license that you like, but you must add some sort of license info to the copyright notice on the bottom of the READS page for it to be available for use on Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses
CC-BY-SA 3.0 and
Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License, so the standard is to require a compatible license. I don't really know the actual legal ramifications of licensing (and, quite honestly, I'm ideologically opposed to the existence of copyright in it's current form anyway), so I highly recommend speaking to someone with real legal knowledge.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω) 20:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for this. I do appreciate it. I'm not so much upset about the removal (though I was at first) as much as I am disappointed that the hours of work I put into it can't be used here. Of course, I designed it for RabbitEars first and Wikipedia came later, but still. I mean, I even set up a nifty template just for Wikipedia! (It's not perfect, but that's not my fault.) My method is VERY simple. Take US Census data, go to each location, determine which set of local stations has the strongest field strength using the FCC's Longley-Rice signal strength calculation method, and assign it to that market accordingly. Some of it was automated, but large amounts of it were incorrect and had to be redone by hand. I spent at least 30 hours total, probably more, going through it by hand and making sure it was all correct.
Anyway, I dug up a number of articles, though I don't know which are relevant to you.
www.ehow.com/how_4786104_improve-overtheair-digital-tv-reception.html (This one was blocked by a filter)
Crutchfield
WCCB-TV
WOLO-TV
Ventura County Star
Gotham Sound
Columbus Dispatch
Washington Apple Pi
Lectrosonics
Washington Post #1
Washington Post #2
Washington Post #3
Plus this was an article I wrote for the local newspaper that got published: Southside Messenger You might also check the RabbitEars FAQ page for details about the various people involved and whatnot. I can provide you any additional details you might require.
The one thing that I think is often missed is that the site was built for myself first and foremost. If I didn't post it online publicly, I'd simply have all this information in a text document on my local machine. If I'm going to go through all that effort, why not post it publicly for all to benefit from? TripEricson ( talk) 00:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Keep in mind that RabbitEars was not originally started in order to do anything specific to Nielsen. The READS Ranks were created as a response to Nielsen; the site itself already existed at that time. TripEricson ( talk) 16:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
1)
Citation for 100000watts.com. Scott Fybush is the current editor of 100000watts.
2) Textual lists:
Subchannels and
Digital Transitional Reports.
3) Mobile DTV's article is at
ATSC-M/H.
4) I checked through my e-mail logs, and Falcon_77's spreadsheet was added to RabbitEars on July 29, 2008.
5) Technically, I consider the site to have launched on April 14, 2008. I registered the name in 2004, but in all honesty, it didn't do much of anything at that point, so I'm not sure how fair it is to say that it was "formed" at that point.
6) I need to read up on the licensing for the READS Ranks, but I really don't have the time to. It should be a Creative Commons license of some kind I would hope. Basically, I claim the copyright on the data only enough to protect it from someone swiping it and sticking their own name on it. (A lot of man-hours went into compiling it, otherwise I wouldn't care at all.) Otherwise, anyone can use it anywhere. All I want is credit.
7) I don't know what the deal would be on the logo. Let me know what you find out. As far as I'm concerned, using it here is fair use and I'd be prepared to file an OTRS ticket on it and on the rankings if needed.
Is there anything else I can help with? :) TripEricson ( talk) 21:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been downplaying the website slightly in the article, so far. It's not that I dislike the site or anything, but the organization that you guys have seems more important then just the site. Just looking at it all, it seems to me that the site is just the front-end of the organization, with all of the data located on the site being the real "work product".
The question there though is, how accurate is that view? I don't see anything about registering RabbitEars as an actual organization of any kind (corporation, non-profit, or whatever), but if it has that info would be important to have. If you haven't registered it at all, you'll probably want to seriously consider doing so, simply to protect yourself and all of your contributors. I know that doing that will probably be a pain, but it will likely be a requirement going forward anyway.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω) 21:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
You would not actually have the full list in the article - you'd simply have the first paragraph. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
That template has to go as well - the majority of the references are about DTV locations, I see nothing that saws the ranking system has been accepted as a standard. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Editor who created the page also created the site. ~ T P W 17:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)