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It would seem from the current Canadian order of precedence for honours, decorations, and medals that the Diamond Jubilee Medal will fall after the Golden Jubilee Medal and before the RCMP Long Service Medal. However, since an anon editor keeps reverting the infobox to show an absolutely nonsensical order of precedence and the Diamond Jubilee Medal has not yet been officially inserted into the order of precedence, I've simply emptied those fields in the infobox until a reliable source can be found that affirms the medal's place. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone help me with the copyright issues of the picture of all three jubilee medals, and the specific picture of the Caribbean version. I do not understand the issue with the copyright of the picture that I have taken of my medal that I have purchased, in particular for this Wikipedia page. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 04:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Why are all UK medal awards articles so wierdly Canadia-centric. The medals are issued in the name of the Sovereign of the UK and Commonwealth, but all these articles centre on Canadian medals and ignore the fact that it is primarily a UK award. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.65.56.4 ( talk) 08:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
If they are different, they should have different articles. 2.27.81.7 ( talk) 17:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
They are different medals, however they are also the same and share a common history. Also, we could not talk about the British medal without mentionning that it was a Canadian Forces officer (Major Carl Gauthier, MMM, CD, AdeC) that designed the ribbon and the British who had a proposed idea first, accepted it Major Gauthier explained the logic with the Canadian Ribbon. This information is found on page 115 of Dr. McCreery's book on the subject. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 23:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
While I can understand the intent behind dividing the article content between the UK and Canada, it results in the unfortunate and unnecessary repetition of subsections "Eligibility and allocation", "Design", and "History". The other articles on similar, multi-national anniversary medals are arranged like this one; I don't see a reason to render this one differently for no discernible benefit.
WP:LIST also encourages us to "not use lists if a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs." In the case of the paragraph that describes the allocation of Canadian Diamond Jubilee medals, the paragraph format suffices. WP:PROSE also says "[p]rose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a simple list may not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain." Perhaps the prose of the paragraph in question could be better written; perhaps not. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:27, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Given the duplication of common elements and differences are related solely to the different realms has consideration been given to using separate pages for both countries?
The person of The Queen is certainly the same person in each realm however The Queen of the United Kingdom is separate from The Queen acting in right of Canada so different heads of state authorised each medal. This is similar to the
Victoria Cross, the
Victoria Cross for New Zealand and the
Victoria Cross for Australia however they have separate warrants and are only be awarded by the government of the respective nations "(just like the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal)" however each Victoria Cross medal is considered as separate from the other (by their respective governments) and each has a separate wiki page.
What is your opinion? Will separate UK and Canadian pages solve more problems than it creates?
Karl Stephens ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Anonymous editor 2.27.81.7 ( talk · contribs) has made a series of edits and reverts with an explanation for none but one, expanding text that was easily condensed, removing proper reference templates, implementing a "small" format around descriptions of the medals' inscriptions, and removing sourced material. The anon (who's already been made aware of WP:3RR) should explain him/herself here. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Could the anon please explain why s/he feels compelled to delete information clarifying which medal the Lord President of the Council made an announcement about? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 15:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The anon has reverted yet again; this time removing italicisation placed as per WP:WORDSASWORDS and MOS:Ety. The given justification for the revert was "does not apply to inscriptions." Can the anon please point to where any such instruction is given? I don't see it anywhere. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
LOL! I concede that your reply is more than a "fair comment". Sorry, but in the absence of functional magic wands or crystal balls, as much as I'd like to be able to do so, I'm afraid I'm unable to enlighten you. My sincere apologies for my inadequacies.
So, what are we going to do about it? Pdfpdf ( talk) 16:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
There's a rather inconsistent adherence to chronological order in this article. The usual anon editor seemed at one point to think it was important to stick to a chronological order( [1]), but then seems to have changed his mind ( [2]). Can we establish a way to keep this information organised? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
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Relating to Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal, Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal, and Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal: How should the information about the different versions of each medal be arranged in each article? Alternately, should the articles be split into separate articles for the medals issued by each country? 17:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
It's my opinion that the articles can stay as they have been: each covers the two or more medals created to mark the same event. However, there should be some consistently applied rules guiding the arrangement of the information in each article section. I suggest:
I am, however, not entirely against the idea of splitting the articles along national lines and turning the existing articles into disambiguation pages. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Who in the Royal Family recieved the Medal and why? It is noted on the pages of the Duke of Edinburgh (both the UK and Canadian ones), the Prince of Wales, the Dukes of Cambridge, York, Gloucester and Kent, Prince Harry, the Princess Royal, the Earl and Countess of Wessex, the Duchess of Gloucester and the Prince Michael of Kent, but not the Duchess of Cornwall, the Duchess of Cambridge, Princesses Beatrice and Eugiene of York, the Duchess of Kent, Princess Michael, or the Princess Alexandra the Honourable Lady Oglivy. Is it restricted to the children and male grandchildren of the Queen? Why the Countess of Wessex (yes, the Queen's favourite in-law), but not two future Queens, the Duchesses of Cornwall and Cambridge? How does the Queen (or the Cabinet or whomever) decide who gets the Medal and who doesn't? 74.69.8.195 ( talk) 14:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Respectfully I would believe except I was going by the notes on their Wikipedia pages. I would assume there was some type of press release or something that announced it, since I don't believe I've ever seen the Countess of Wessex or Duchess of Gloucester wearing a uniform. And just b/c they may have honorary ranks, doesn't mean they would necessarily wear the medal, since it's a civic, not military appointment. But I suppose your guess is as good as mine. 74.69.121.132 ( talk) 21:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, I can confirm that HRH the Duchess of Gloucester has been awarded with the DJM: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1gQSf_Jjg5c/UdiqGYNch5I/AAAAAAAAAH4/GoThqgCl5tk/s320/Glocester.jpeg. HRH the Countess of Wessex as a Honorary Canadian Colonel has worn the uniform of the Canadian Army, however, at this time, I have only seen Her Royal Highness wear CADPAT uniform. I would be surprised if any member of the Royal Family has NOT been awarded with the Diamond jubilee medal. Only time will tell. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 17:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I have started to read Dr. Christopher McCreery's book "Commermorative Medals of the Queen's Reigne in Canada, 1952-2012 ( http://www.dominionofcanada.com/medals.html) on page 124 writes about the Caribbean Realms. Therefore, the 8 Caribbean Realms of Her Majesty the Queen would therefore have their own Jubillee medal, following the Canadian example of producing it by themselves. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 20:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
This article needs to be split into Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (Canada), Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (Caribbean Realms), and Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (United Kingdom), as they are all separate awards instituted under three separate warrants - albeit, sharing the same title - Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal - ( 203.211.76.88 ( talk) 12:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC))
I believe that it would be wrong to have a different article for each medal on basis of country. Having all the information on one page, saves space, and gives a chance to examine all three medals without having to see a different page. Also, once I receive them, I will own a miniature model of all three versions, therefore, pretty soon, we will have a picutre of all three medals. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 14:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Except the PNG QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal. I am a recipient and, therefore, have a miniature. However, the copy/duplicate/replica miniature is not available. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:45, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Except the PNG QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal. I am a recipient and, therefore, have a miniature. However, the copy/duplicate/replica miniature is not available. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:46, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Do the recipients of the Canadian, Australian and Papua New Guinean Cross of Valour (and the New Zealand Cross) awards that replaced the George Cross recieve one of Diamond Jubilee medals? You would have thought they would qualify for it, as the Cross of Valour and New Zealand Cross are supposed to be equivalent to the George Cross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.239.220.13 ( talk) 10:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC) As for in Canada, all recipients of the George Cross (and we only have one Canadian that has this medal, Colonel Arthur Richard Cecil Butson, GC, OMM, CD), all recipients of the Canadian Cross of Valour and all recipients of the Order of Canada have been recipients of the Diamond Jubilee Medal. - Source, Christopher McCreery's book on the subject. 207.61.145.4 ( talk) 02:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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An award that appears to have been missed being the Papua New Guinea QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal and find it is not mentioned on this site. It is very similar to the Caribbean Realms medal however, is full size medal and the ribbon is very similar to the PNG 75th Anniversary Medal ribbon though the central stripes are reversed (central black on white vice central white on black). I am unsure how to upload a photo of this medal so any advice would be appreciated. I can find little information on the medal though, being a recipient, can assure this information is correct. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Apologies to the above. Should have read similar to the PNG 10th Anniversary ribbon. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 13:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
The caption for File:Three Diamond Jubilee medals.jpg reads "Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medals: Canada (left), Caribbean realms (centre), and United Kingdom and Commonwealth (right)". The caption for File:UKdiamondjubileemedal.jpg reads "British and Commonwealth version of the Diamond Jubilee medal".
These captions are confusing. Ignoring that the United Kingdom (including its overseas territories) is a Commonwealth realm, so "British and other Commonwealth" would be more accurate, the article lists four versions of the medal: one version awarded by "Eight Commonwealth realms in the Caribbean—Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines", one by Papua New Guinea, one by Canada, and one by the United Kingdom. There is no other mention in the article either of the United Kingdom version being awarded in any other Commonwealth Realm, or of any Commonwealth Realm other than Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Papua New Guinea, Canada, and the United Kingdom awarding any version of the medal.
Are these captions in error? Should they actually respectively read "Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medals: Canada (left), Caribbean realms (centre), and United Kingdom (right)" and "British version of the Diamond Jubilee medal"?
Also, I assume the United Kingdom medal was issued not only in the British Overseas Territories (those parts of the British Realm not within the British Isles), as mentioned in the article, but also in the Crown Dependencies (not parts of the British Realm and not British territory, but generally treated similarly to the British Overseas Territories)? Aodhdubh ( talk) 00:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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It would seem from the current Canadian order of precedence for honours, decorations, and medals that the Diamond Jubilee Medal will fall after the Golden Jubilee Medal and before the RCMP Long Service Medal. However, since an anon editor keeps reverting the infobox to show an absolutely nonsensical order of precedence and the Diamond Jubilee Medal has not yet been officially inserted into the order of precedence, I've simply emptied those fields in the infobox until a reliable source can be found that affirms the medal's place. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone help me with the copyright issues of the picture of all three jubilee medals, and the specific picture of the Caribbean version. I do not understand the issue with the copyright of the picture that I have taken of my medal that I have purchased, in particular for this Wikipedia page. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 04:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Why are all UK medal awards articles so wierdly Canadia-centric. The medals are issued in the name of the Sovereign of the UK and Commonwealth, but all these articles centre on Canadian medals and ignore the fact that it is primarily a UK award. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.65.56.4 ( talk) 08:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
If they are different, they should have different articles. 2.27.81.7 ( talk) 17:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
They are different medals, however they are also the same and share a common history. Also, we could not talk about the British medal without mentionning that it was a Canadian Forces officer (Major Carl Gauthier, MMM, CD, AdeC) that designed the ribbon and the British who had a proposed idea first, accepted it Major Gauthier explained the logic with the Canadian Ribbon. This information is found on page 115 of Dr. McCreery's book on the subject. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 23:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
While I can understand the intent behind dividing the article content between the UK and Canada, it results in the unfortunate and unnecessary repetition of subsections "Eligibility and allocation", "Design", and "History". The other articles on similar, multi-national anniversary medals are arranged like this one; I don't see a reason to render this one differently for no discernible benefit.
WP:LIST also encourages us to "not use lists if a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs." In the case of the paragraph that describes the allocation of Canadian Diamond Jubilee medals, the paragraph format suffices. WP:PROSE also says "[p]rose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a simple list may not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain." Perhaps the prose of the paragraph in question could be better written; perhaps not. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:27, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Given the duplication of common elements and differences are related solely to the different realms has consideration been given to using separate pages for both countries?
The person of The Queen is certainly the same person in each realm however The Queen of the United Kingdom is separate from The Queen acting in right of Canada so different heads of state authorised each medal. This is similar to the
Victoria Cross, the
Victoria Cross for New Zealand and the
Victoria Cross for Australia however they have separate warrants and are only be awarded by the government of the respective nations "(just like the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal)" however each Victoria Cross medal is considered as separate from the other (by their respective governments) and each has a separate wiki page.
What is your opinion? Will separate UK and Canadian pages solve more problems than it creates?
Karl Stephens ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Anonymous editor 2.27.81.7 ( talk · contribs) has made a series of edits and reverts with an explanation for none but one, expanding text that was easily condensed, removing proper reference templates, implementing a "small" format around descriptions of the medals' inscriptions, and removing sourced material. The anon (who's already been made aware of WP:3RR) should explain him/herself here. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Could the anon please explain why s/he feels compelled to delete information clarifying which medal the Lord President of the Council made an announcement about? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 15:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The anon has reverted yet again; this time removing italicisation placed as per WP:WORDSASWORDS and MOS:Ety. The given justification for the revert was "does not apply to inscriptions." Can the anon please point to where any such instruction is given? I don't see it anywhere. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
LOL! I concede that your reply is more than a "fair comment". Sorry, but in the absence of functional magic wands or crystal balls, as much as I'd like to be able to do so, I'm afraid I'm unable to enlighten you. My sincere apologies for my inadequacies.
So, what are we going to do about it? Pdfpdf ( talk) 16:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
There's a rather inconsistent adherence to chronological order in this article. The usual anon editor seemed at one point to think it was important to stick to a chronological order( [1]), but then seems to have changed his mind ( [2]). Can we establish a way to keep this information organised? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Relating to Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal, Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal, and Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal: How should the information about the different versions of each medal be arranged in each article? Alternately, should the articles be split into separate articles for the medals issued by each country? 17:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
It's my opinion that the articles can stay as they have been: each covers the two or more medals created to mark the same event. However, there should be some consistently applied rules guiding the arrangement of the information in each article section. I suggest:
I am, however, not entirely against the idea of splitting the articles along national lines and turning the existing articles into disambiguation pages. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Who in the Royal Family recieved the Medal and why? It is noted on the pages of the Duke of Edinburgh (both the UK and Canadian ones), the Prince of Wales, the Dukes of Cambridge, York, Gloucester and Kent, Prince Harry, the Princess Royal, the Earl and Countess of Wessex, the Duchess of Gloucester and the Prince Michael of Kent, but not the Duchess of Cornwall, the Duchess of Cambridge, Princesses Beatrice and Eugiene of York, the Duchess of Kent, Princess Michael, or the Princess Alexandra the Honourable Lady Oglivy. Is it restricted to the children and male grandchildren of the Queen? Why the Countess of Wessex (yes, the Queen's favourite in-law), but not two future Queens, the Duchesses of Cornwall and Cambridge? How does the Queen (or the Cabinet or whomever) decide who gets the Medal and who doesn't? 74.69.8.195 ( talk) 14:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Respectfully I would believe except I was going by the notes on their Wikipedia pages. I would assume there was some type of press release or something that announced it, since I don't believe I've ever seen the Countess of Wessex or Duchess of Gloucester wearing a uniform. And just b/c they may have honorary ranks, doesn't mean they would necessarily wear the medal, since it's a civic, not military appointment. But I suppose your guess is as good as mine. 74.69.121.132 ( talk) 21:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, I can confirm that HRH the Duchess of Gloucester has been awarded with the DJM: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1gQSf_Jjg5c/UdiqGYNch5I/AAAAAAAAAH4/GoThqgCl5tk/s320/Glocester.jpeg. HRH the Countess of Wessex as a Honorary Canadian Colonel has worn the uniform of the Canadian Army, however, at this time, I have only seen Her Royal Highness wear CADPAT uniform. I would be surprised if any member of the Royal Family has NOT been awarded with the Diamond jubilee medal. Only time will tell. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 17:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I have started to read Dr. Christopher McCreery's book "Commermorative Medals of the Queen's Reigne in Canada, 1952-2012 ( http://www.dominionofcanada.com/medals.html) on page 124 writes about the Caribbean Realms. Therefore, the 8 Caribbean Realms of Her Majesty the Queen would therefore have their own Jubillee medal, following the Canadian example of producing it by themselves. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 20:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
This article needs to be split into Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (Canada), Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (Caribbean Realms), and Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal (United Kingdom), as they are all separate awards instituted under three separate warrants - albeit, sharing the same title - Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal - ( 203.211.76.88 ( talk) 12:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC))
I believe that it would be wrong to have a different article for each medal on basis of country. Having all the information on one page, saves space, and gives a chance to examine all three medals without having to see a different page. Also, once I receive them, I will own a miniature model of all three versions, therefore, pretty soon, we will have a picutre of all three medals. Ctjj.stevenson ( talk) 14:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Except the PNG QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal. I am a recipient and, therefore, have a miniature. However, the copy/duplicate/replica miniature is not available. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:45, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Except the PNG QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal. I am a recipient and, therefore, have a miniature. However, the copy/duplicate/replica miniature is not available. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:46, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Do the recipients of the Canadian, Australian and Papua New Guinean Cross of Valour (and the New Zealand Cross) awards that replaced the George Cross recieve one of Diamond Jubilee medals? You would have thought they would qualify for it, as the Cross of Valour and New Zealand Cross are supposed to be equivalent to the George Cross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.239.220.13 ( talk) 10:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC) As for in Canada, all recipients of the George Cross (and we only have one Canadian that has this medal, Colonel Arthur Richard Cecil Butson, GC, OMM, CD), all recipients of the Canadian Cross of Valour and all recipients of the Order of Canada have been recipients of the Diamond Jubilee Medal. - Source, Christopher McCreery's book on the subject. 207.61.145.4 ( talk) 02:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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An award that appears to have been missed being the Papua New Guinea QEII Diamond Jubilee Medal and find it is not mentioned on this site. It is very similar to the Caribbean Realms medal however, is full size medal and the ribbon is very similar to the PNG 75th Anniversary Medal ribbon though the central stripes are reversed (central black on white vice central white on black). I am unsure how to upload a photo of this medal so any advice would be appreciated. I can find little information on the medal though, being a recipient, can assure this information is correct. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 12:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Apologies to the above. Should have read similar to the PNG 10th Anniversary ribbon. Tcjbbomber ( talk) 13:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
The caption for File:Three Diamond Jubilee medals.jpg reads "Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medals: Canada (left), Caribbean realms (centre), and United Kingdom and Commonwealth (right)". The caption for File:UKdiamondjubileemedal.jpg reads "British and Commonwealth version of the Diamond Jubilee medal".
These captions are confusing. Ignoring that the United Kingdom (including its overseas territories) is a Commonwealth realm, so "British and other Commonwealth" would be more accurate, the article lists four versions of the medal: one version awarded by "Eight Commonwealth realms in the Caribbean—Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines", one by Papua New Guinea, one by Canada, and one by the United Kingdom. There is no other mention in the article either of the United Kingdom version being awarded in any other Commonwealth Realm, or of any Commonwealth Realm other than Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Papua New Guinea, Canada, and the United Kingdom awarding any version of the medal.
Are these captions in error? Should they actually respectively read "Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medals: Canada (left), Caribbean realms (centre), and United Kingdom (right)" and "British version of the Diamond Jubilee medal"?
Also, I assume the United Kingdom medal was issued not only in the British Overseas Territories (those parts of the British Realm not within the British Isles), as mentioned in the article, but also in the Crown Dependencies (not parts of the British Realm and not British territory, but generally treated similarly to the British Overseas Territories)? Aodhdubh ( talk) 00:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)