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True or false: the coins in this act will include pictures of all the Presidents from Washington to Nixon and Reagan. 66.245.127.112 23:44, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
True Juppiter 18:52, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The above should probably be included in the article. I'll add it, but I have some assumptions I'd like verified. One has to be dead to be included on a coin, I'm quite certain, so if this bill had gone through and, say, Ford were to die soon, he would be included in the series as well, right? Or would he have to be dead for a certain length of time? - R. fiend 23:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now it is the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005. It has passed the House and at the time of this post, is in a Senate committee. 24.54.208.177 05:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Any info on what the George Washington dollar that will be the first of the dollars in this sequence will look like?? Feel free to put any info, including whether it is silver or gold, in your list. Georgia guy 22:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, we know the series is going to go at least until 2016 and maybe into 2017, depending on how many past presidents pass away between now and then. But being the slightly anal-retentive nitpicker that I am (and God loves me for it), I'm compelled to ask this question.
Does the Act provide for any future presidents to be included in the set? Between now and 2016 we'll have had at least two, maybe three new presidents in our nation's history (and perhaps more, in the event that one dies in office or resigns). Let's say, theoretically, that President X, newly elected President in the 2008 election, dies of pneumonia shortly after taking office. Would President X be included in the set eight years later, or does the act only allow for the possibility of everyone up to and including George W. Bush to be in the set? ekedolphin 04:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing most of the following will have kicked the bucket in time: Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush. Also, William Henry Harrison was the greatest president. -- Kalmia 08:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I think Nixon on a coin will be a very special moment for the USA. Not that far down the road, either...I wonder if we can get congress to pass a law specifically to exclude the guy who was not a crook? 70.61.22.110 21:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Newt
What color will the coin be? 71.199.123.24 07:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
As mentioned above but starting a new section for it: will Cleveland get two coins? I can't image that he would but stranger/odder things have happened. :) Cburnett 23:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The day I gave away a sacagawea dollar thinking it was a quarter is the day I stopped using them. They really need to differentiate them more. And considering the first one will have George Washingtons portrait on it...
[2] I'm not too familiar with editing coin pages, so here's a launching point to update. Zz414 14:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I note that the denomination is shown as "$1" and not "One Dollar." All other current U.S. coins state their value in words only (One Cent, Five Cents, One Dime, Quarter Dollar, etc.). Is this the first time a number has been used instead? If so, this ought to be mentioned. ProhibitOnions (T) 09:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I thought I read it somewhere, maybe Coin World, that this will be the first time the actual dollar sign will be used on American money, paper or coin. Is that true? I can't find any research on that. The BEP and Mint's websites have nothing and Google won't allow a "$" character search. Any experts out there? This should get a trivia mention in a number of wiki articles if true. 209.26.38.244 18:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
"Although the dollar sign does not appear on any current circulating U.S. coins and is rarely encountered on U.S. coins, the American Eagle platinum coins do feature the dollar sign." -- Coin World, April 20, 2004; by Michele Orzano, Coin World staff.
Ah, correction, then, it's the first circulating coin for sure. Nik42 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Page 18: "The term "dollar" has a German name and Spanish symbol, but few U.S. coins have ever carried the famous symbol (the exceptions are the American Eagle platinum bullion coins), until now. The $ sign's placement on the reverse of the Presidential dollar coins is the first on a circulating U.S. coin (or at least the first on a U.S. coin intended to circulate)."
Page 22, article continues: "Though no federally issued U.S. circulating coin depicted the symbol before the George Washington Presidential dollar, one circulating piece made in the United States does: Templeton Reid struck a pioneer gold $5 piece dated 1830 in [the state of] Georgia. The piece is expensive and rare, with a Red Book price of $240,000 in Extremely Fine condition. The denomination appears as $5 on both sides of the coin, with the $ and 5 widely separated. As noted, the [noncirculating] American Eagle platiunum bullion coins all bear the $ sign in the denominations on the reverse: $10, $25, $50, and $100." -- Coin World, April 16, 2007, "A sign of the times," by Jeff Starck, Coin World staff.He died around 11:00PM on the 26th of december. he will be right behind regan
His assertion is supported by the laws that you yourself have cited, and by the Mint's current interpretation (which he cited). The Mint's website reinforces this; note that Reagan is not currently on the coin schedule. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 01:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I added a new section for the detail now provided on the US Mint website for the "First Spouse Program". I didn't reproduce the entire schedule & table, with coin images, because I wasn't sure whether or not it deserved its own page, or a really large section of this one. I'm new to Wikipedia editing, so I figured I'd start with the basics, and experts would jump in with the full detail.
The recent addition reads: "the act as written does not create an exception for First Spouses who are not yet deceased". I find this sentence confusing. The word "exception" itself implies negation, and now we have "not an exception". So what does the act say? Any person, or just the presidents, has to be dead for 2 years before showing on coins? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 15:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This lists the 21st first spouse as Alice Paul. This seems to be completely false and may be vandalism, seeing as Alice Paul was born less than two months before the 21st president, Chester Arthur's term ended. Arthur was a widower during presidency, so it seems like this should be either Arthur's Liberty or perhaps his sister Mary McElroy, who was unofficial first lady. omnijohn 16:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
One interesting consequence of the First Spouse programme is that, if Bill Clinton were to die before 2012, the US mint could end up issuing a coin with the image of the sitting president in 2014. Esquimo 23:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What if the president used to be a First Spouse?! The First Spouse coins specifically DON'T need to be of someone dead. Esquimo 13:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure the page rename from Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005 to Presidential $1 Coin Program was a good idea. The $1 Coin Program was only one of the programs to be initiated by the $1 Coin Act. The other programs are listed lower on the page, but they're now out of place there. Plus, the law is still called the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005, regardless of what the program is called, so the intro will have to be fixed even if the page is left where it is currently. Jwolfe 05:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
the metallic content needs to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.23.58 ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 26 February 2007
The table of presidential spouses shows Alice Paul right behind Mrs. Garfield. While Alice Paul was an admirable and admired woman, President Arthur was a widower, like Presidents Jefferson and Jackson, so I presume this intrusion is an act of vandalism. Does anyone know otherwise? J S Ayer 04:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
(This issue appears RESOLVED, as Godless dollar redirects to this article.)
I see the images have been deleted from commons (I believe because they were unsourced). If anyone has the time and motivation the images can be downloaded at http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?action=photo#2007Spouse. Cburnett 22:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Alice Paul is on the coin not because "Arthur also refused to let anyone fill the roll [sic] that would have been his wife's." Mary McElroy, his sister, in fact, did fill that role. I'm not entirely sure why they decided to place a prominent woman there and not for other bachelor/widowed Presidents, but it's not for the reason Cburnett said Nik42 04:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Even if there is an explanation for why Alice Paul is honored in the Act, we should try to find what the rationale was for not having an "Arthur's Liberty" coin. It's kind of like Arthur is getting cheated. We know what the Act says, and the article reports it accurately, but it is an apparent inconsistency that demands an explanation if any is available. Holy 16:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't mean that I am demanding an explanation from Congress; I mean that from an encyclopedic perspective, the context of the information given demands an explanation. The apparent inconsistency, left hanging, makes the article incomplete. If one of us were to write to a member of Congress to demand an explanation, and then received an explanation, it could not be included in the article as it would be original research. Holy 20:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Will they be put into circulation as the Presidential coins are, or they only going to be collectors' proofs? Since the article doesn't make this clear, it should be addressed. YankeeDoodle14 23:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I just got a few of these in change. It's hard to resist the temptation to add a "see also" to Chuck E Cheese! -- Reuben 00:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any indication yet that circulation of $1 coins has gone up since this program has started, as the treasury intended? YankeeDoodle14 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The US Mint Policy allows image downloads from the Pressroom, so long as the tagline 2007 Presidential $1 Coin image from the United States Mint is included on all image pages. So why do File:George Washigton Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, File:John Adams Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, File:Thomas Jefferson Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, and File:James Madison Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png don't have this tagline, seeing the source is, the United States Mint Pressroom? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 12:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
This article relates that "Several mothers who have lost children at war in Iraq... One of them, Elaine Johnson, recounted a meeting that she had with President Bush in which he gave her a presidential coin and told her and five other families: 'Don’t go sell it on eBay.'" What presidential coin would this have been? Ewlyahoocom 05:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
With a legal value of $10 but made of 1/2 ounce of gold (~$650/ounce) I imagine these are not intended for daily use and probably not purchasable at banks. Can anyone confirm a purchase price (it would seem to be a blunder to sell them for $10) or confirm these are collector's items? Cburnett 16:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Not knowing anything about coin collecting, I need to ask - how can the First Spouse coins be called "$10 coins", when their purchase price is far greater? Also, my understanding is that these coins are not legal tender, they can't be used as money to make purchases. So isn't calling them "$10 coins" a bit of nonsense? Elsquared ( talk) 22:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the article, the act requires that at least one fourth of the dollar coins produced each year be Sacagawea dollars. However, the production figures from the US Mint [6] show that the Sacagawea dollars have been only 0.8% of the total dollar coins in 2007 (until November), far below one fourth. Did Congress later remove this requirement from the law? Or did the US Mint simply disregard it? Dave ( talk) 19:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
“ | The Presidential $1 Coin Act requires the Treasury Secretary annually to mint and issue Sacagawea dollar coins in quantities equal to no less than one-third of the total Presidential $1 coins issued.5 As I noted earlier, it is far from certain that the Presidential $1 Coin Program will stimulate increased demand for Sacagawea dollar coins in particular or dollar coins more generally as a broad-based medium of exchange. Given that we have an ample supply of dollar coins to meet current market demand and that the Presidential $1 Coin Program may increase supplies further, the Reserve Banks may not need to order more Sacagawea dollars from the Mint for a number of years. If the Presidential $1 Coin Program does not stimulate substantial transactional demand for dollar coins, the requirement that the Mint nonetheless produce Sacagawea dollars would result in costs to the taxpayer without any offsetting benefits. In those circumstances, we would strongly recommend that Congress reassess the one-third requirement. | ” |
I found where the law was in fact changed to eliminate the 1/3 requirement, and I have updated the article appropriately. Jwolfe ( talk) 11:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The 2008 designs are up on the U.S. Mint web site, if anyone has time and inclination to add them to the page. Jwolfe ( talk) 15:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The theoretical timeline does not take into account that Grover Cleveland will be honored twice, having served two non-consecutive terms (according to the plain language of the House bill). Also, although the current custom is to not issue coins featuring living persons, the law would require the Mint to issue coins featuring living former presidents at the time their place in the sequence was reached, notwithstanding the custom. These two things should be updated when the entry is moved. Jwolfe 12:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
It is my understanding (and it seems to be the Mint's interpretation, according to their website) that the presidents have to be honored in order, or not at all; thus if Carter is still alive in 2014 and not eligible to be honored in the series, Reagan will not be honored despite the fact he otherwise qualifies. Further legislation may clarify this in the future by that seems to be the prevailing interpretation of the legislation currently. Changing the article to reflect this. See http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/%241coin/index.cfm?action=schedule for one of many sources from the Mint that reflects this (Reagan is not lsted on any of the coin schedules.) 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 01:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone just added that in 12/2007 the "In God We Trust" was moved from the edge to the obverse or reverse. I added {{ fact}} as I find it dubious but can't assert either way. Cburnett ( talk) 16:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. Same bill that added another year to the 50 State Quarters. Cburnett ( talk) 00:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Which mint(s) are producing the Presidential $1 Coins? Philadelphia and/or Denver? Other? Thanks! JPG-GR ( talk) 01:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Philadelphia (P) and Denver (D) mint the business strikes, San Francisco (S) mints the proofs. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 19:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I keep seeing this article flip-flopping on whether Reagan is slated to get a coin or not. The two schools of thought on this seem to be:
I've seen arguments on both sides, who both cite the same law as justification for one argument over the other, so the problem seems to be that people are interpreting the law differently. However according the the US Mint's website, it seems to be that the Mint accepts argument #1 (on their schedule, they have no coin listed for Reagan). Shouldn't the US Mint, which is after all the organization that actually makes these (and thus should be considered the authority on what will be made!), be the tiebreaker? Can we get a consensus on this? Is there a reliable, authoritative source that disagrees with the Mint? If both positions can be sourced reliably, shouldn't the article mention that there is a disagreement about the interpretation? This should be adressed somehow. (Of course if Carter dies between now and 2014, it becomes a moot point, but in the meantime this should be adressed conclusively.) 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 19:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
A US Mint web page is not authoritative. The USC is authoritative. (Actually, the exact legislation passed is authoritative not the USC but I'm nitpicking.) The USC says "The issuance of coins under this subsection shall terminate when each President has been so honored...". Each president. There are no clauses stating anything resembling termination of the program at the first president who is ineligible. It specifically says each president.
The mint can choose to disregard the law (they certainly have on production numbers of pres. coins vs. sacagawea coins) but we won't know that until 2016 when they actually take a choice and ride the path they chose. Until then, the only reliable authoritative source is the USC and it clearly says each qualified president gets a coin.
That entire argument aside: a negative can't prove a positive. IOW, the absence of Reagen from a list is not the same as explicitly saying Reagen won't get one. Cburnett ( talk) 06:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem still remains, and discussion hasn't solved this, is that you can look at the law as written and come up with two different interpretations, equally supported by the law, if a certain interpretation is argued. No argument about what the law says... but a disagreement with what the law means still exists. The law says that each president who's been dead at least 2 years gets a coin, but the law also says that they must be honored in order. So you get to Carter, he's still alive, no coin... Reagan's been dead long enough, but to honor him before Carter... would that violate the "they must be honored in order" part? Or does the "each president who's been dead at least two years" allow you to skip any presidents that don't qualify to move onto the ones that do? So far no authrotiative and reliable source has the answer... Every source I've seen cited is either the law itself (open to interpretation) or a second hand interpretation by someone other than someone with the authority to make the final determination (not authoritative).
So my thinking is this, since we can't get a clear consensus as to whether the series ends at Ford or Reagan, shall we just remove speculation of the series' end entirely? It's open to interpretation of the law and no reliable source seems to have a final answer. What is known, is that the series will continue up to and including Ford, at least, and maybe further (based on interpretation of the law and lifespans of current and future former presidents). Remove any position on whether Carter gets skipped or not for now, until an authoritative and reliable source can be found that shows the argument is settled by people in authority to make such a declaration. So how about we just stick to that until an authoritative and relaible source can be found that says otherwise? That would be what I'd propose. Any agree/disagree? Please share your thoughts... if enough agree with this proposal I'd say that's the way we should go.
A reasonable alternative, if relaible sources seem to disagree, is to mention that both interpretations exist, cite the relaible sources that support the two interpretations, and mention that a final determination hasn't been made yet. That might be sloppy though and would seem to be to specilative... but if enough people want to go that route, I'd support that too. Or if someone has a proposal other than these two, state it here.
Of course, if Carter dies between now and about August 2014, this would all be a moot point I guess, but until then we need to decide what to do with this article. (Please note I am in no way advocating killing Carter no expressing any desire for him to die before he is otherwise fated to.)
75.70.123.215 ( talk) 02:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks,
Here are the edits I made to this article:
The article had a statement that saying:
This series of coins are the first ever coins of the United States to replace the written value (ie "one", "two") with an Arabic numeral stating the value of the coin.
This is incorrect. Here's a few examples of pre-Prexibux coins that have the value as a number (not counting the words 'cents' or 'dollars'): 2 cents, Bust half dime, Shield nickel, Bust dime, Bust half dollar, gold dollar, gold quarter eagle, gold three dollars, Bust half eagle
The article as had Bush's term ending in 2009. He has four months to go. I have also added a 2008 design date for the obverse. Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hos hie 22:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think this article should be semi-protected due to the high levels of vandalism recently Juthani1 t c s 16:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, what did he do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.90.7 ( talk) 19:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I came to this article to find out what the Presidential dollar coins are made of. Nothing here! 140.147.236.195 ( talk) 15:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Oops! Silly me--I found it 30 seconds after I wrote this. 140.147.236.195 ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
I have heard many people talk about this and I've seen many places on the internet where people have been discussing the the poor construction of these coins. I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned how easily it is for the gold color to wear off or at least the tarnished luster. The combination of metals and the desire to have the correct electrical properties probably has caused this weak construction. After just two years in circulation, I have some coins that have wear and tear and aren't very good looking at all. The edge lettering has almost completely faded, the high parts of the coin aren't golden anymore, and the scratches are noticeable. At least quarters and nickels look halfway decent after 20 years. Even pennies look better after the same amount of time. Euro coins, for example, don't seem to have as much trouble as this one. I think if you could find some decent sources, you should add this part in. It is at least criticism to the "lasting 30 years" desire by the mint. -- 75.183.75.227 ( talk) 23:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
They do hold their shine better than the Sacagawea, but still not as well as the Canadian Dollar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.40.36 ( talk) 23:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
So is Cleveland getting two separate coins, or just one... or one design, released twice? - 155.42.196.63 ( talk) 05:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there an explanation for presidents such as Thomas Jefferson's spouses being called Thomas Jeffersons's Liberty? I found that confusing, even though this is probably accurate with the act, there probably needs to be an explanation. Thomas Jefferson did have a wife, but he also had relations with Sally Hemmings so maybe they just didn't want to leave anybody out? -- Matthew Bauer ( talk) 06:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
The current situation cited. Nobody will say what the stockpile costs. Red Hurley ( talk) 08:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Would it be encyclopedic to include a discussion of the Direct Ship program, where these (and other dollar coins) were sold at cost and free shipping by the mint to consumers with rewards credit cards, only to have said coins immediately redeposited at a bank? This resulted in millions of pseudo-"sales", inflating perceived demand without in any way increasing circulation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.41.164 ( talk) 05:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The U.S. Mint Presidential 1$ coin site says the program terminates at Gerald Ford. I'm guessing that unless Jimmy Carter dies before 2014, Ronald Reagan won't get a coin because his predecessor is still alive. I am going to edit the page to reflect this. 71.114.103.161 ( talk) 00:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Wait, sorry. I didn't see the argument. 71.114.103.161 ( talk) 00:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
For some reason the image of the obverse side of the Cleveland coin does not appear. I have tried to figure out why and given up. Can anyone who knows more about this stuff fix this please because the article looks shit. Thanks. Richard75 ( talk) 16:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Do we really need images of EVERY coin, with images of Presidents not yet honored, and FOUR images of each First Spouse coin (front and back, for both coin and medal)? It makes the article unnecessarily long. Perhaps putting only the images on their own page? Maybe the First Spouses on their own page? Elsquared ( talk) 03:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I spoke with someone from the mint and they clarified to me that the law makes it clear that the presidents must be honored by the term of service. Therefore Reagan is not currently going to be able to be honored in the current law as Carter is still living, and is slated to end after honoring Nixon and Ford in 2016. However, the mint always says "currently", thus when Carter and George H.W.Bush do pass away, ( Not trying to throw them in their grave over a coin), but I am sure that congress will enact the reissue when the eligibility is there, and Carter, Reagan, and Bush Sr. will be honored. Carter and Bush Sr. are both 90 years old so I mean we can't expect it to be that far in the future. I am sure republicans will make it a point that Reagan gets honored. I personally understand the law that the person needs to be deceased for two years, but at the same time I feel like the government and mint should just go ahead and honor Carter and Bush Sr. because of their current age, not to mention the coins are not being produced in large numbers as of 2012 but mostly for collectors. That however will not happen because the U.S government is highly opposed to a "kingship" sort of state where living people are honored. In my view however, just the fact that republicans love Reagan, and the fact that he has been deceased longer than Ford gives me a pretty positive stance that the program will be reinstated once Carter passes away and are eligible. However, you should change the program details, as Reagan is not currently scheduled to appear in 2016. If you go to the U.S. mint website and go to the Presidential Dollar page, on the schedule it ends with Ford. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.199.28 ( talk) 03:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
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True or false: the coins in this act will include pictures of all the Presidents from Washington to Nixon and Reagan. 66.245.127.112 23:44, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
True Juppiter 18:52, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The above should probably be included in the article. I'll add it, but I have some assumptions I'd like verified. One has to be dead to be included on a coin, I'm quite certain, so if this bill had gone through and, say, Ford were to die soon, he would be included in the series as well, right? Or would he have to be dead for a certain length of time? - R. fiend 23:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now it is the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005. It has passed the House and at the time of this post, is in a Senate committee. 24.54.208.177 05:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Any info on what the George Washington dollar that will be the first of the dollars in this sequence will look like?? Feel free to put any info, including whether it is silver or gold, in your list. Georgia guy 22:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, we know the series is going to go at least until 2016 and maybe into 2017, depending on how many past presidents pass away between now and then. But being the slightly anal-retentive nitpicker that I am (and God loves me for it), I'm compelled to ask this question.
Does the Act provide for any future presidents to be included in the set? Between now and 2016 we'll have had at least two, maybe three new presidents in our nation's history (and perhaps more, in the event that one dies in office or resigns). Let's say, theoretically, that President X, newly elected President in the 2008 election, dies of pneumonia shortly after taking office. Would President X be included in the set eight years later, or does the act only allow for the possibility of everyone up to and including George W. Bush to be in the set? ekedolphin 04:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing most of the following will have kicked the bucket in time: Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush. Also, William Henry Harrison was the greatest president. -- Kalmia 08:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I think Nixon on a coin will be a very special moment for the USA. Not that far down the road, either...I wonder if we can get congress to pass a law specifically to exclude the guy who was not a crook? 70.61.22.110 21:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Newt
What color will the coin be? 71.199.123.24 07:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
As mentioned above but starting a new section for it: will Cleveland get two coins? I can't image that he would but stranger/odder things have happened. :) Cburnett 23:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The day I gave away a sacagawea dollar thinking it was a quarter is the day I stopped using them. They really need to differentiate them more. And considering the first one will have George Washingtons portrait on it...
[2] I'm not too familiar with editing coin pages, so here's a launching point to update. Zz414 14:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I note that the denomination is shown as "$1" and not "One Dollar." All other current U.S. coins state their value in words only (One Cent, Five Cents, One Dime, Quarter Dollar, etc.). Is this the first time a number has been used instead? If so, this ought to be mentioned. ProhibitOnions (T) 09:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I thought I read it somewhere, maybe Coin World, that this will be the first time the actual dollar sign will be used on American money, paper or coin. Is that true? I can't find any research on that. The BEP and Mint's websites have nothing and Google won't allow a "$" character search. Any experts out there? This should get a trivia mention in a number of wiki articles if true. 209.26.38.244 18:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
"Although the dollar sign does not appear on any current circulating U.S. coins and is rarely encountered on U.S. coins, the American Eagle platinum coins do feature the dollar sign." -- Coin World, April 20, 2004; by Michele Orzano, Coin World staff.
Ah, correction, then, it's the first circulating coin for sure. Nik42 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Page 18: "The term "dollar" has a German name and Spanish symbol, but few U.S. coins have ever carried the famous symbol (the exceptions are the American Eagle platinum bullion coins), until now. The $ sign's placement on the reverse of the Presidential dollar coins is the first on a circulating U.S. coin (or at least the first on a U.S. coin intended to circulate)."
Page 22, article continues: "Though no federally issued U.S. circulating coin depicted the symbol before the George Washington Presidential dollar, one circulating piece made in the United States does: Templeton Reid struck a pioneer gold $5 piece dated 1830 in [the state of] Georgia. The piece is expensive and rare, with a Red Book price of $240,000 in Extremely Fine condition. The denomination appears as $5 on both sides of the coin, with the $ and 5 widely separated. As noted, the [noncirculating] American Eagle platiunum bullion coins all bear the $ sign in the denominations on the reverse: $10, $25, $50, and $100." -- Coin World, April 16, 2007, "A sign of the times," by Jeff Starck, Coin World staff.He died around 11:00PM on the 26th of december. he will be right behind regan
His assertion is supported by the laws that you yourself have cited, and by the Mint's current interpretation (which he cited). The Mint's website reinforces this; note that Reagan is not currently on the coin schedule. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 01:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I added a new section for the detail now provided on the US Mint website for the "First Spouse Program". I didn't reproduce the entire schedule & table, with coin images, because I wasn't sure whether or not it deserved its own page, or a really large section of this one. I'm new to Wikipedia editing, so I figured I'd start with the basics, and experts would jump in with the full detail.
The recent addition reads: "the act as written does not create an exception for First Spouses who are not yet deceased". I find this sentence confusing. The word "exception" itself implies negation, and now we have "not an exception". So what does the act say? Any person, or just the presidents, has to be dead for 2 years before showing on coins? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 15:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This lists the 21st first spouse as Alice Paul. This seems to be completely false and may be vandalism, seeing as Alice Paul was born less than two months before the 21st president, Chester Arthur's term ended. Arthur was a widower during presidency, so it seems like this should be either Arthur's Liberty or perhaps his sister Mary McElroy, who was unofficial first lady. omnijohn 16:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
One interesting consequence of the First Spouse programme is that, if Bill Clinton were to die before 2012, the US mint could end up issuing a coin with the image of the sitting president in 2014. Esquimo 23:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What if the president used to be a First Spouse?! The First Spouse coins specifically DON'T need to be of someone dead. Esquimo 13:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure the page rename from Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005 to Presidential $1 Coin Program was a good idea. The $1 Coin Program was only one of the programs to be initiated by the $1 Coin Act. The other programs are listed lower on the page, but they're now out of place there. Plus, the law is still called the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005, regardless of what the program is called, so the intro will have to be fixed even if the page is left where it is currently. Jwolfe 05:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
the metallic content needs to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.23.58 ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 26 February 2007
The table of presidential spouses shows Alice Paul right behind Mrs. Garfield. While Alice Paul was an admirable and admired woman, President Arthur was a widower, like Presidents Jefferson and Jackson, so I presume this intrusion is an act of vandalism. Does anyone know otherwise? J S Ayer 04:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
(This issue appears RESOLVED, as Godless dollar redirects to this article.)
I see the images have been deleted from commons (I believe because they were unsourced). If anyone has the time and motivation the images can be downloaded at http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?action=photo#2007Spouse. Cburnett 22:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Alice Paul is on the coin not because "Arthur also refused to let anyone fill the roll [sic] that would have been his wife's." Mary McElroy, his sister, in fact, did fill that role. I'm not entirely sure why they decided to place a prominent woman there and not for other bachelor/widowed Presidents, but it's not for the reason Cburnett said Nik42 04:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Even if there is an explanation for why Alice Paul is honored in the Act, we should try to find what the rationale was for not having an "Arthur's Liberty" coin. It's kind of like Arthur is getting cheated. We know what the Act says, and the article reports it accurately, but it is an apparent inconsistency that demands an explanation if any is available. Holy 16:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't mean that I am demanding an explanation from Congress; I mean that from an encyclopedic perspective, the context of the information given demands an explanation. The apparent inconsistency, left hanging, makes the article incomplete. If one of us were to write to a member of Congress to demand an explanation, and then received an explanation, it could not be included in the article as it would be original research. Holy 20:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Will they be put into circulation as the Presidential coins are, or they only going to be collectors' proofs? Since the article doesn't make this clear, it should be addressed. YankeeDoodle14 23:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I just got a few of these in change. It's hard to resist the temptation to add a "see also" to Chuck E Cheese! -- Reuben 00:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any indication yet that circulation of $1 coins has gone up since this program has started, as the treasury intended? YankeeDoodle14 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The US Mint Policy allows image downloads from the Pressroom, so long as the tagline 2007 Presidential $1 Coin image from the United States Mint is included on all image pages. So why do File:George Washigton Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, File:John Adams Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, File:Thomas Jefferson Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png, and File:James Madison Presidential $1 Coin obverse.png don't have this tagline, seeing the source is, the United States Mint Pressroom? -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 12:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
This article relates that "Several mothers who have lost children at war in Iraq... One of them, Elaine Johnson, recounted a meeting that she had with President Bush in which he gave her a presidential coin and told her and five other families: 'Don’t go sell it on eBay.'" What presidential coin would this have been? Ewlyahoocom 05:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
With a legal value of $10 but made of 1/2 ounce of gold (~$650/ounce) I imagine these are not intended for daily use and probably not purchasable at banks. Can anyone confirm a purchase price (it would seem to be a blunder to sell them for $10) or confirm these are collector's items? Cburnett 16:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Not knowing anything about coin collecting, I need to ask - how can the First Spouse coins be called "$10 coins", when their purchase price is far greater? Also, my understanding is that these coins are not legal tender, they can't be used as money to make purchases. So isn't calling them "$10 coins" a bit of nonsense? Elsquared ( talk) 22:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the article, the act requires that at least one fourth of the dollar coins produced each year be Sacagawea dollars. However, the production figures from the US Mint [6] show that the Sacagawea dollars have been only 0.8% of the total dollar coins in 2007 (until November), far below one fourth. Did Congress later remove this requirement from the law? Or did the US Mint simply disregard it? Dave ( talk) 19:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
“ | The Presidential $1 Coin Act requires the Treasury Secretary annually to mint and issue Sacagawea dollar coins in quantities equal to no less than one-third of the total Presidential $1 coins issued.5 As I noted earlier, it is far from certain that the Presidential $1 Coin Program will stimulate increased demand for Sacagawea dollar coins in particular or dollar coins more generally as a broad-based medium of exchange. Given that we have an ample supply of dollar coins to meet current market demand and that the Presidential $1 Coin Program may increase supplies further, the Reserve Banks may not need to order more Sacagawea dollars from the Mint for a number of years. If the Presidential $1 Coin Program does not stimulate substantial transactional demand for dollar coins, the requirement that the Mint nonetheless produce Sacagawea dollars would result in costs to the taxpayer without any offsetting benefits. In those circumstances, we would strongly recommend that Congress reassess the one-third requirement. | ” |
I found where the law was in fact changed to eliminate the 1/3 requirement, and I have updated the article appropriately. Jwolfe ( talk) 11:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The 2008 designs are up on the U.S. Mint web site, if anyone has time and inclination to add them to the page. Jwolfe ( talk) 15:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The theoretical timeline does not take into account that Grover Cleveland will be honored twice, having served two non-consecutive terms (according to the plain language of the House bill). Also, although the current custom is to not issue coins featuring living persons, the law would require the Mint to issue coins featuring living former presidents at the time their place in the sequence was reached, notwithstanding the custom. These two things should be updated when the entry is moved. Jwolfe 12:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
It is my understanding (and it seems to be the Mint's interpretation, according to their website) that the presidents have to be honored in order, or not at all; thus if Carter is still alive in 2014 and not eligible to be honored in the series, Reagan will not be honored despite the fact he otherwise qualifies. Further legislation may clarify this in the future by that seems to be the prevailing interpretation of the legislation currently. Changing the article to reflect this. See http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/%241coin/index.cfm?action=schedule for one of many sources from the Mint that reflects this (Reagan is not lsted on any of the coin schedules.) 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 01:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone just added that in 12/2007 the "In God We Trust" was moved from the edge to the obverse or reverse. I added {{ fact}} as I find it dubious but can't assert either way. Cburnett ( talk) 16:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. Same bill that added another year to the 50 State Quarters. Cburnett ( talk) 00:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Which mint(s) are producing the Presidential $1 Coins? Philadelphia and/or Denver? Other? Thanks! JPG-GR ( talk) 01:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Philadelphia (P) and Denver (D) mint the business strikes, San Francisco (S) mints the proofs. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 19:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I keep seeing this article flip-flopping on whether Reagan is slated to get a coin or not. The two schools of thought on this seem to be:
I've seen arguments on both sides, who both cite the same law as justification for one argument over the other, so the problem seems to be that people are interpreting the law differently. However according the the US Mint's website, it seems to be that the Mint accepts argument #1 (on their schedule, they have no coin listed for Reagan). Shouldn't the US Mint, which is after all the organization that actually makes these (and thus should be considered the authority on what will be made!), be the tiebreaker? Can we get a consensus on this? Is there a reliable, authoritative source that disagrees with the Mint? If both positions can be sourced reliably, shouldn't the article mention that there is a disagreement about the interpretation? This should be adressed somehow. (Of course if Carter dies between now and 2014, it becomes a moot point, but in the meantime this should be adressed conclusively.) 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 19:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
A US Mint web page is not authoritative. The USC is authoritative. (Actually, the exact legislation passed is authoritative not the USC but I'm nitpicking.) The USC says "The issuance of coins under this subsection shall terminate when each President has been so honored...". Each president. There are no clauses stating anything resembling termination of the program at the first president who is ineligible. It specifically says each president.
The mint can choose to disregard the law (they certainly have on production numbers of pres. coins vs. sacagawea coins) but we won't know that until 2016 when they actually take a choice and ride the path they chose. Until then, the only reliable authoritative source is the USC and it clearly says each qualified president gets a coin.
That entire argument aside: a negative can't prove a positive. IOW, the absence of Reagen from a list is not the same as explicitly saying Reagen won't get one. Cburnett ( talk) 06:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem still remains, and discussion hasn't solved this, is that you can look at the law as written and come up with two different interpretations, equally supported by the law, if a certain interpretation is argued. No argument about what the law says... but a disagreement with what the law means still exists. The law says that each president who's been dead at least 2 years gets a coin, but the law also says that they must be honored in order. So you get to Carter, he's still alive, no coin... Reagan's been dead long enough, but to honor him before Carter... would that violate the "they must be honored in order" part? Or does the "each president who's been dead at least two years" allow you to skip any presidents that don't qualify to move onto the ones that do? So far no authrotiative and reliable source has the answer... Every source I've seen cited is either the law itself (open to interpretation) or a second hand interpretation by someone other than someone with the authority to make the final determination (not authoritative).
So my thinking is this, since we can't get a clear consensus as to whether the series ends at Ford or Reagan, shall we just remove speculation of the series' end entirely? It's open to interpretation of the law and no reliable source seems to have a final answer. What is known, is that the series will continue up to and including Ford, at least, and maybe further (based on interpretation of the law and lifespans of current and future former presidents). Remove any position on whether Carter gets skipped or not for now, until an authoritative and reliable source can be found that shows the argument is settled by people in authority to make such a declaration. So how about we just stick to that until an authoritative and relaible source can be found that says otherwise? That would be what I'd propose. Any agree/disagree? Please share your thoughts... if enough agree with this proposal I'd say that's the way we should go.
A reasonable alternative, if relaible sources seem to disagree, is to mention that both interpretations exist, cite the relaible sources that support the two interpretations, and mention that a final determination hasn't been made yet. That might be sloppy though and would seem to be to specilative... but if enough people want to go that route, I'd support that too. Or if someone has a proposal other than these two, state it here.
Of course, if Carter dies between now and about August 2014, this would all be a moot point I guess, but until then we need to decide what to do with this article. (Please note I am in no way advocating killing Carter no expressing any desire for him to die before he is otherwise fated to.)
75.70.123.215 ( talk) 02:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks,
Here are the edits I made to this article:
The article had a statement that saying:
This series of coins are the first ever coins of the United States to replace the written value (ie "one", "two") with an Arabic numeral stating the value of the coin.
This is incorrect. Here's a few examples of pre-Prexibux coins that have the value as a number (not counting the words 'cents' or 'dollars'): 2 cents, Bust half dime, Shield nickel, Bust dime, Bust half dollar, gold dollar, gold quarter eagle, gold three dollars, Bust half eagle
The article as had Bush's term ending in 2009. He has four months to go. I have also added a 2008 design date for the obverse. Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hos hie 22:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think this article should be semi-protected due to the high levels of vandalism recently Juthani1 t c s 16:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, what did he do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.90.7 ( talk) 19:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I came to this article to find out what the Presidential dollar coins are made of. Nothing here! 140.147.236.195 ( talk) 15:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Oops! Silly me--I found it 30 seconds after I wrote this. 140.147.236.195 ( talk) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
I have heard many people talk about this and I've seen many places on the internet where people have been discussing the the poor construction of these coins. I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned how easily it is for the gold color to wear off or at least the tarnished luster. The combination of metals and the desire to have the correct electrical properties probably has caused this weak construction. After just two years in circulation, I have some coins that have wear and tear and aren't very good looking at all. The edge lettering has almost completely faded, the high parts of the coin aren't golden anymore, and the scratches are noticeable. At least quarters and nickels look halfway decent after 20 years. Even pennies look better after the same amount of time. Euro coins, for example, don't seem to have as much trouble as this one. I think if you could find some decent sources, you should add this part in. It is at least criticism to the "lasting 30 years" desire by the mint. -- 75.183.75.227 ( talk) 23:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
They do hold their shine better than the Sacagawea, but still not as well as the Canadian Dollar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.40.36 ( talk) 23:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
So is Cleveland getting two separate coins, or just one... or one design, released twice? - 155.42.196.63 ( talk) 05:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there an explanation for presidents such as Thomas Jefferson's spouses being called Thomas Jeffersons's Liberty? I found that confusing, even though this is probably accurate with the act, there probably needs to be an explanation. Thomas Jefferson did have a wife, but he also had relations with Sally Hemmings so maybe they just didn't want to leave anybody out? -- Matthew Bauer ( talk) 06:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
The current situation cited. Nobody will say what the stockpile costs. Red Hurley ( talk) 08:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Would it be encyclopedic to include a discussion of the Direct Ship program, where these (and other dollar coins) were sold at cost and free shipping by the mint to consumers with rewards credit cards, only to have said coins immediately redeposited at a bank? This resulted in millions of pseudo-"sales", inflating perceived demand without in any way increasing circulation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.41.164 ( talk) 05:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The U.S. Mint Presidential 1$ coin site says the program terminates at Gerald Ford. I'm guessing that unless Jimmy Carter dies before 2014, Ronald Reagan won't get a coin because his predecessor is still alive. I am going to edit the page to reflect this. 71.114.103.161 ( talk) 00:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Wait, sorry. I didn't see the argument. 71.114.103.161 ( talk) 00:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
For some reason the image of the obverse side of the Cleveland coin does not appear. I have tried to figure out why and given up. Can anyone who knows more about this stuff fix this please because the article looks shit. Thanks. Richard75 ( talk) 16:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Do we really need images of EVERY coin, with images of Presidents not yet honored, and FOUR images of each First Spouse coin (front and back, for both coin and medal)? It makes the article unnecessarily long. Perhaps putting only the images on their own page? Maybe the First Spouses on their own page? Elsquared ( talk) 03:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I spoke with someone from the mint and they clarified to me that the law makes it clear that the presidents must be honored by the term of service. Therefore Reagan is not currently going to be able to be honored in the current law as Carter is still living, and is slated to end after honoring Nixon and Ford in 2016. However, the mint always says "currently", thus when Carter and George H.W.Bush do pass away, ( Not trying to throw them in their grave over a coin), but I am sure that congress will enact the reissue when the eligibility is there, and Carter, Reagan, and Bush Sr. will be honored. Carter and Bush Sr. are both 90 years old so I mean we can't expect it to be that far in the future. I am sure republicans will make it a point that Reagan gets honored. I personally understand the law that the person needs to be deceased for two years, but at the same time I feel like the government and mint should just go ahead and honor Carter and Bush Sr. because of their current age, not to mention the coins are not being produced in large numbers as of 2012 but mostly for collectors. That however will not happen because the U.S government is highly opposed to a "kingship" sort of state where living people are honored. In my view however, just the fact that republicans love Reagan, and the fact that he has been deceased longer than Ford gives me a pretty positive stance that the program will be reinstated once Carter passes away and are eligible. However, you should change the program details, as Reagan is not currently scheduled to appear in 2016. If you go to the U.S. mint website and go to the Presidential Dollar page, on the schedule it ends with Ford. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.199.28 ( talk) 03:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
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Spouse list only goes through 41st First Lady. Please update. THANK YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.115.138 ( talk) 06:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)