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There should be a section on criticism of the EPL. It has become money obsessed, players are now getting paid vast sums of money. ((football players are getting paid millions of pounds all around the world, not jst in the Premiership. If people have a problem, then they shouldn't go. See how long clubs can survive without fans but a massive wage bill... 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) The atmosphere in most all seater grounds is terrible with many working class fans being priced out of the game. ((Working Class, what is working class these days anyway? The atmosphere is terrible? I take it you've never been to a Man Utd. vs Chelsea or Arsenal match at Old Trafford, or a Merseyside Derby? 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) The various kick off times are ridiculous and it has done little to improve the performance of the England team. ((The various KO times? The various KO times; eg, the early 12.45 KO's were not designed to help the England team (?!?!) infact, they are designed to give thugs and hooligans a little less time to drink a skinful and start a fight. KO times are controlled by TV, allowing the football to be broadcast to a larger audience 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) Top players still go abroad and top foreign players still prefere Spain and Italy. ((The last 'top' player to leave the UK? RvN now cannot get into the Netherlands Squad, Beckham? Pah. Ballack had offers from Spain, look where he ended up 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)))
Michael Ballack's transfer was on a Bosman free, not or £49m as stated in this article. 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody add the time of year the premiership matches are played to the competition section? For an outsider, it seems like it would be useful information, but is currently not included. Thanks.
I can't see how the winner is decided anywhere in the article. 'League' competitions in some countries have a finals series at the end to determine the champion, so this was a source of confusion for me. Does anyone agree? ((I think it might be helpful to include what would happen on a tie at the top, I seem to recall a few years ago the possibility of a tie with points, GD, goals for, and head to head results the same, in which the Premiership would be decided by a one off game. I cant find any evidence for it though 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)))
Would it not be best to put this table with the most recent at the top? Frankie Roberto, 12:24, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Team Colours need to be corrected for some clubs, I have corrected up to Fulham. I find it's best to use the shop on the official sites for the colours. Mpbx3003, 10:44 06 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Most Clean Sheets In A Season - Chelsea
Is this definitely correct? According to question three of The Guardian's Tackle Hansen, this record is held by Manchester United. Can anyone confirm/deny this? -- LAW 09:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Top Scorers 1997-98 Andrew Cole also scored 18 league goals that season
This article is littered with non-NPOV and unresearched claims. For instance:
"And lots of people are watching. The Premier League is the world's highest earning soccer league. Deloitte's Sports Business Group reported average revenue per club was 66.3 million pounds ($144.3 million Cdn) in 2003 2004 -- 50 per cent above the nearest competitor, Italy's Serie A." ( Sportsnet.ca article) -- Munkeyjunkey 19:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Someone with a better knowledge of football than me needs to fix this -- I've listed the page as non-neutral and needing cleanup. -- Ngb 08:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that perhaps the "Curse of Christmas" and "The Premiership-Football League gulf" sections should probably be moved to their own articles. Any objections? -- Howcheng 17:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
The lion logo has changed slightly this season - still triangular but far less horizontally symmetrical.
"Always contained a team who's name began with W" - so what? There's always been one with A as well, Arsenal. I'm sure there are other letters too (E - Everton, L - Liverpool, M - Manchester, N - Newcastle. Bob Palin 15:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the Spurs badge on the list of teams to the new 'official' badge - this will be used from now on and will feature on the Spurs kit from next season - so thought i'd bring the list up to date.-- Cavs 16:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Silly question perhaps, but what's the schedule of the league? -- Robert Merkel
Whats the name of the song they play of tv for EPL? Its kinda techno/dance - no words. If you know, could you please tell me! I have been humming it for about a fortnight!!!-- Hamedog Talk| @ 14:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's the data for all the league results in the Premiership, I dont know how to put it in table format so if someone wants to then they could do that. It would be handy for settling office disputes etc...
Pos Team Plyd W D L F A GD Points 1 Manchester United 506 314 118 74 985 455 530 1060 2 Arsenal 506 269 139 98 843 452 391 946 3 Liverpool 506 240 129 137 811 527 284 849 4 Chelsea 506 232 143 131 776 504 272 839 5 Newcastle United 464 201 125 138 727 549 178 728 6 Aston Villa 506 193 146 167 626 577 49 725 7 Leeds United 468 189 125 154 641 573 68 692 8 Tottenham Hotspur 506 177 132 197 661 694 -33 663 9 Blackburn Rovers 430 171 119 140 599 511 88 632 10 Everton 506 163 138 205 617 690 -73 627 11 Southampton 506 150 137 219 596 711 -115 587 12 West Ham United 388 132 104 152 462 535 -73 500 13 Middlesbrough 384 119 114 151 458 524 -66 471 14 Coventry City 354 99 112 143 387 490 -103 409 15 Sheffield Wednesday 316 101 89 126 409 453 -44 392 16 Wimbledon 316 99 94 123 384 472 -88 391 17 Manchester City 316 90 97 129 370 434 -64 367 18 Leicester City 308 84 90 134 314 410 -96 342 19 Charlton Athletic 228 72 64 92 267 327 -60 280 20 Bolton Wanderers 228 66 66 96 262 340 -78 264 21 Derby County 228 67 62 99 251 331 -80 263 22 Nottingham Forest 198 60 59 79 229 287 -58 239 23 Ipswich Town 202 57 53 92 219 312 -93 224 24 Queens Park Rangers 164 59 39 66 224 232 -8 216 25 Sunderland 190 55 49 86 188 266 -78 214 26 Norwich City 164 50 51 63 207 257 -50 201 27 Fulham 152 49 41 62 181 200 -19 188 28 Crystal Palace 160 37 49 74 160 243 -83 160 29 Birmingham 114 36 35 43 124 143 -19 143 30 Sheffield United 84 22 28 34 96 113 -17 94 31 Oldham Athletic 84 22 23 39 105 142 -37 89 32 Portsmouth 76 22 18 36 90 113 -23 84 33 Bradford City 76 14 20 42 68 138 -70 62 34 West Bromwich Albion 76 12 24 40 65 126 -61 60 35 Barnsley 38 10 5 23 37 82 -45 35 36 Wolverhampton Wanderers 38 7 12 19 38 77 -39 33 37 Swindon Town 42 5 15 22 47 100 -53 30 38 Watford 38 6 6 26 35 77 -42 24
Pos | Team | Played | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Manchester United | 506 | 314 | 118 | 74 | 985 | 455 | 530 | 1060 |
2 | Arsenal | 506 | 269 | 139 | 98 | 843 | 452 | 391 | 946 |
3 | Liverpool | 506 | 240 | 129 | 137 | 811 | 527 | 284 | 849 |
4 | Chelsea | 506 | 232 | 143 | 131 | 776 | 504 | 272 | 839 |
5 | Newcastle United | 464 | 201 | 125 | 138 | 727 | 549 | 178 | 728 |
6 | Aston Villa | 506 | 193 | 146 | 167 | 626 | 577 | 49 | 725 |
7 | Leeds United | 468 | 189 | 125 | 154 | 641 | 573 | 68 | 692 |
8 | Tottenham Hotspur | 506 | 177 | 132 | 197 | 661 | 694 | -33 | 663 |
9 | Blackburn Rovers | 430 | 171 | 119 | 140 | 599 | 511 | 88 | 632 |
10 | Everton | 506 | 163 | 138 | 205 | 617 | 690 | -73 | 627 |
11 | Southampton | 506 | 150 | 137 | 219 | 596 | 711 | -115 | 587 |
12 | West Ham United | 388 | 132 | 104 | 152 | 462 | 535 | -73 | 500 |
13 | Middlesbrough | 384 | 119 | 114 | 151 | 458 | 524 | -66 | 471 |
14 | Coventry City | 354 | 99 | 112 | 143 | 387 | 490 | -103 | 409 |
15 | Sheffield Wednesday | 316 | 101 | 89 | 126 | 409 | 453 | -44 | 392 |
16 | Wimbledon | 316 | 99 | 94 | 123 | 384 | 472 | -88 | 391 |
17 | Manchester City | 316 | 90 | 97 | 129 | 370 | 434 | -64 | 367 |
18 | Leicester City | 308 | 84 | 90 | 134 | 314 | 410 | -96 | 342 |
19 | Charlton Athletic | 228 | 72 | 64 | 92 | 267 | 327 | -60 | 280 |
20 | Bolton Wanderers | 228 | 66 | 66 | 96 | 262 | 340 | -78 | 264 |
21 | Derby County | 228 | 67 | 62 | 99 | 251 | 331 | -80 | 263 |
22 | Nottingham Forest | 198 | 60 | 59 | 79 | 229 | 287 | -58 | 239 |
23 | Ipswich Town | 202 | 57 | 53 | 92 | 219 | 312 | -93 | 224 |
24 | Queens Park Rangers | 164 | 59 | 39 | 66 | 224 | 232 | -8 | 216 |
25 | Sunderland | 190 | 55 | 49 | 86 | 188 | 266 | -78 | 214 |
26 | Norwich City | 164 | 50 | 51 | 63 | 207 | 257 | -50 | 201 |
27 | Fulham | 152 | 49 | 41 | 62 | 181 | 200 | -19 | 188 |
28 | Crystal Palace | 160 | 37 | 49 | 74 | 160 | 243 | -83 | 160 |
29 | Birmingham | 114 | 36 | 35 | 43 | 124 | 143 | -19 | 143 |
30 | Sheffield United | 84 | 22 | 28 | 34 | 96 | 113 | -17 | 94 |
31 | Oldham Athletic | 84 | 22 | 23 | 39 | 105 | 142 | -37 | 89 |
32 | Portsmouth | 76 | 22 | 18 | 36 | 90 | 113 | -23 | 84 |
33 | Bradford City | 76 | 14 | 20 | 42 | 68 | 138 | -70 | 62 |
34 | West Bromwich Albion | 76 | 12 | 24 | 40 | 65 | 126 | -61 | 60 |
35 | Barnsley | 38 | 10 | 5 | 23 | 37 | 82 | -45 | 35 |
36 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 38 | 7 | 12 | 19 | 38 | 77 | -39 | 33 |
37 | Swindon Town | 42 | 5 | 15 | 22 | 47 | 100 | -53 | 30 |
38 | Watford | 38 | 6 | 6 | 26 | 35 | 77 | -42 | 24 |
I used de:Wikipedia:Helferlein/VBA-Macro for EXCEL tableconversion and some minor manual edits with the help of Meta:Help:Table Nil Einne 12:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The table is all good, but does not take into account the fact that some teams have played more games than others. Perhaps someone could compute a win percentage or a points per game ratio (as well as mean number of points per season) and add a column to the table including that. It is obvious that ManU and Arsenal will still head the list, since the teams that have played less games and accumulated fewer points have not played every season. But for mid-table teams like Villa, Boro, Spurs and Everton, it might provide a more accurate comparison of performance in the league, e.g. just because Everton have played every season, does not mean they are more consistent than Boro or Blackburn, because the last two did not play every season but has been highly successful at times. Also, it is obvious that the table needs updating; it was only correct as of the end of the 05-06 season.
Pardon me for the comment, but it seems that Wikipedia's Featured Articles still have a long way to go. Avman M 14:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason no one has every put up a current league table that would be updated as results occurred? I thouht about doing it, but I wondered if there was a reason no one else had.
This table is clearly incorrect. It gives Man U a season more (and correspondingly higher number of games played) than all of the other teams that have been in the Premiership since its inception. This includes Arsenal and Liverpool (both of whom in fairness would still be behind Man U in the table). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.228.185 ( talk • contribs) .
Is there an RSS feed showing the premiership tbale i.e. 20 items per week in premiership table order? If so, could this be added as an external link so readers can get the latest table?
We seem to have an orphaned asterisk {*) against Total wins* in the table's heading. Can anyone shed any light on this please? See FA_Premier_League#FA_Premier_League_Winners_to_date. Alias Flood 17:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The list of managers is fairly irrelevant IMO, would anyone object if it was removed? Oldelpaso 13:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
The Major League Soccer page has a box that displays the year the league was founded, the number of teams, and the last cup winner. Should this page have similiar infobox? I rather like the info box, but maybe the information provided there would need to be changed to fit with the Premiership. Thoughts? Rballou 17:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I simply removed the info box (which contained no info) part of it for now, leaving just the logo. This seems to be the standard for most leagues around here. I think you want either a clean look with like this, or useful info there. --
Cthomer5000 03:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the last two paragraphs from the worldwide section as I searched and couldn't find any sources for the info. The only references to "football ferries" seem to come from replications of this article, and the comment about Irish supporters preferring the EPL certainly seems POV without a source.
The part about the Old Firm clubs would also need sources. I found an article about the Old Firm clubs making overtures to join the EPL in 2001, but FIFA and UEFA rejected this. I'm not sure how it's relevant to the article right now, unless someone can locate a more recent source. - Pal 13:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
One of the FAC objections rightly points out that newspaper coverage of the Premier League is not mentioned in the Media coverage section. I sat down to add a couple of paragraphs, but I'm having trouble avoiding weasel words and finding references. Football dominates newspaper sports coverage in England, and Premier League matches, teams and players get the majority of it. That is evident to anyone who picks up an English newspaper. But finding a source which says this is difficult, as most relevant search terms take you straight to sports coverage itself. Anyone have any ideas? Oldelpaso 19:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
In comments on this article's FAC page, some have suggested moving the "All-Time Table" into its own article and simply linking to it. I'm leaning towards this as it might not be of great importance to the main article, but I wanted to see if anyone had any objections first. - Pal 21:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The sentence This represents an increase of over 60 per cent from the average attendance of 21,126 recorded in the league's first season (1992-93). is possibly misleading; in 1992-93 a large number of grounds had restricted capacities, as they were being redeveloped to comply with the requirements set out in the Taylor Report. Oldelpaso 19:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
What about creating a List of foreign FA Premier League players like the List of foreign MLS players? In England foreign players are gaining more attention day-by-day, so it would be useful to group'em in a list. Too hard? P.S.: unfortunately I haven't enough infos to create it, but I would collaborate. -- necronudist 16:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think something should be said about the catholic/protestant in the foundations of the league. Like Celtic and Rangers, English clubs have allegiances to christian denominations, which have been all but forgotten. Many clubs in the league have take a side each, indeed, it was the reason for their founding. For example, Liverpool/Everton, Manchester United/Manchester City are teams who bear this mark. Perhaps someone could clarify the same with other teams such as Birmingham/Aston Villa, Sheffield United/Wednesday and some of the london teams. Tottenham, of course, has jewish roots. I think this is a fascinating and fundemental aspect of British football that should be mentioned in detail. Bobbyfletch85 00:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I reverted an addition about the "official supplier of numbers, letters and sleeve badges". I generally try not to use the term "cruft", but in this case I can't think of another way to describe it. Oldelpaso 18:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Why did FIFA pressure the FA to limit its size? This is not explained as far as I can see. Anchoress 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
"It is presently contested by 20 clubs, dominated by Arsenal, Manchester United and current champions Chelsea." Little bit harsh to exclude Liverpool. They have never actually won it, but they have come second twice, and are 3rd in the All-time FA Premier League table. They were the Bookies' second favourites this year, ahead of Arsenal and Man Utd. Legis 10:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The article lack HDTV broadcasting information.
This article claims that there are 'a total of 760 games in a Premier League season.' I may be wrong, but I'm fairly sure it's 380; 20 teams x 19 home games (you don't need to count away matches because they will still be someone's home matches) gives 380. Can anyone else confirm this? Happyjoe5 16:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Not to be nitpicky, but this picture is actually of an FA Cup match, not a Premier League match. See [2] for pictures from WireImages. howch e ng { chat} 16:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
As a new fan of the EPL, I was wondering which is considered a more prestigious honor for a team: to win the Premier League or to win the FA Cup? Nygoodliving 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
That said, for clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal who have never won it, it might be a bigger achievement. Illuminattile 12:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
some of the appeal of the fa cup was lost when man utd didnt enter because they were playing in the world club cup but the appeal of the cup has been restored now i think.-- Numberwang 14:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know the payroll level for the clubs in the EPL? I know that 4 clubs pay quite a bit higher than the rest, but it would be helpful to see just how large the differences are. Kenallen 22:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I just put on a map I just whipped up to show the locations of the teams. It definitely could be better, something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FA_Clubs_map_home_colours.PNG. Or at least it could be better quality (this is my first map). I felt that since many other leagues have maps showing the locations of their teams it would be a good addition. Senor k 12:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Good idea maybe you could make one for the coming season Chaza93 20:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link at the top. Hassocks5489 17:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
the Premier League or Premiership or Barclays Premier League or simply the Premiership. should never be refered to as the EPL -- Numberwang 22:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
"The EPL" is the common nickname for the league in the United States. While it may not be an official name of the league, it is nevertheless accurate (in that the Premier League is in England, and therefore English), widespread, and understood by all Americans that follow soccer (and many that don't). 67.101.97.171 23:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Fulham's stadium can actually hold 24,554 rather then 22,000. This also makes it higher then Reading's Madjeski stadium. In 2007/08 the capacity will be increased to about 26,000. 90.194.239.197 14:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to add this please cite the inforation Chaza93 20:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The Premiership boasts some of the best players in the world, including many from outside England.
Is it really necessary to include "incl. many from outside england"? That seems a little redundant to me, surely it is obvious that the best players in the world aren't all from england. Tommy Stardust 15:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure why the cups Premiership teams compete in shouldn't be included in the infobox. Using the logic that "they have nothing to do with the Premier League," then the UEFA links should be removed as they have nothing to do with the league. As the cups are listed on every league page of every country on which this particular infobox appears, I'm not sure why they shouldn't also appear here. - Pal 23:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page on UEFA League coefficients for 2007-08 puts the Premier League in third place behind Spain and Italy. Why does the first paragraph of the article therefore say "The Premier League is currently second behind Spain's La Liga in the UEFA rankings of European leagues, which are based on the performances of member clubs in European competitions over a five-year period." If there is an updated (2007) edition of the UEFA coefficients, why hasn't the update been made on the UEFA coefficients page. If Englad is still # 3, the above information is wrong. Avman M 00:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
IMO these need work. It leaps straight from the 10 "super league" clubs threatening to break away to an already-established 22-team league. Plus, for the uninitiated, they might not understand how big the Football League was before, how the money was split, how promotion/relegation previously worked, how it changed, what the names of the old divisions were, etc.
It says that more detail is provided in the History of English Football article but it's glossed over here, too.
I'd like to see the aforementioned sections drastically fleshed out because they are sorely lacking at present. Nach0king 22:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
This line, falls totally into the above and should be removed...
Why just the last 5 years (recentism) and why use a totally unofficial claim to back it up? If taken into account the most presitgious honour a European club can achieve, the European Cup, the English league is historically a long way off the mark according to European Cup and Champions League records and statistics.
This is the information that should be used so not to fall into recentism, unofficial and POV. It uses the simple facts of the most prestigious tournament in European football. - The Daddy 07:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
i always noticed that current league tables aren't included in articles, i thought it was because this was deemed to news-y or something and was really relevant to an encyclopaedic article. but either way can we include the table in this article, or exclude similar tables from other articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.157.194 ( talk) 19:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
"The 2007–08 Season sees the Premier League introduce a new theme song, logo, typeface for player names and numbers, and patches." has anyone got details of this new stuff? Screen42 22:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Surely we should call this the English Prmier League seeing as some other countries call their leagues the Premier League. El- Nin 09 20:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a picture of the trophy awarded to the champions somewhere in the article. The FA Cup article has a picture of the trophy. I know the Premier League trophy is nowhere near as famous, but then again how many trophies are as famous as the FA Cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.208.26 ( talk) 00:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Anyone watching this article? Vandal alert: 77.107.196.106. Apparantly a Manchester United fan, and Chelsea and Arsenal "Hater" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaiver0510 ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
The concept of transfers is pretty unique in the sports world (in the U.S, sports have free agency and trades. It would be useful to have an explanation of how they work. For instance:
216.145.56.17 21:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC) miles l
I have removed the stadia list as it is only tangentially related to the Premier League itself, and the material was more or less a duplicate of that at List of English football stadia by capacity. -- Oldelpaso ( talk) 17:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
The following line in the Premier League#Foundation section seems to be either WP:POV or WP:OR. I think it needs a reference. This was considered necessary so that English clubs could once again compete with and beat the best of Europe, while attracting the best talent in the world, something which in 1991 seemed practically unthinkable. Peanut4 ( talk) 23:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The name of this article, Premier League, should be English Premier League. As it is, there is an implication of exclusivity, ie that this league is the Premier League and any other sporting competition which has a "premier league" in its competition structure is less worthy of the title.
A parallel example: The word Idol as well as its dictionary meanings is also a short colloquial reference to a certain TV show - but the reference varies according to where you are. An American uses the word to refer to American Idol, a Briton to Pop Idol. The Wiki article Idol is a disambiguation page, not an article about one version of that TV show.
I will monitor this discussion for a short while, after which I will be moving this article to English Premier League (which is currently a redirect) and making Premier League into a disambiguation page. Darcyj ( talk) 03:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Disagree, as per fchd and Woody. I do agree that this should have gone on WP:RM, though I feel the point is now moot as there seems to be a distinct lack of consensus on the move. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 19:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this 260, or 261? Everywhere else on wiki, including the Alan Shearer article, states 260, which is also the total if you add all the league goals he's scored since '92 (when Premiership started). However, on the Top scorers section of this article, and on the official Premiership website it says 261. Can someone who knows the correct figure clarify/correct this please? Feudonym ( talk) 06:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
SoccerBase says 260 ( http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=7218). As Feudonym says, the official Premier League site says 261. It also adds up to 261 if you extract from the tables his performance each season: 16, 31, 34, 31, 25, 2, 14, 23, 5, 24, 17, 22, 7, 10, 0.
The discrepancy is in the 2001/2002 season. According to the Alan Shearer article on Wikipedia, Shearer scored 23 goals for Newcastle United in that season, but the FA records 24 goals.
The Newcastle website lists all of Shearer's goals for each of his seasons with them, and they record 24, which I tend to regard as definitive. ( http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ShearerGoalDetail/0,,10278~757279,00.html)
I suggest that his number of goals should be increased to 261. Nickpullar ( talk) 17:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I've spotted another similar problem. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbainks's goals were changed from 128 to 129 today. According to Hasselbaink's article and soccerbase he scored 129 Premier League goals, but the reference on the Premier League page says 128. I've reverted it back to 128, simply to fit in line with the reference on the main page itself. Peanut4 ( talk) 01:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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There should be a section on criticism of the EPL. It has become money obsessed, players are now getting paid vast sums of money. ((football players are getting paid millions of pounds all around the world, not jst in the Premiership. If people have a problem, then they shouldn't go. See how long clubs can survive without fans but a massive wage bill... 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) The atmosphere in most all seater grounds is terrible with many working class fans being priced out of the game. ((Working Class, what is working class these days anyway? The atmosphere is terrible? I take it you've never been to a Man Utd. vs Chelsea or Arsenal match at Old Trafford, or a Merseyside Derby? 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) The various kick off times are ridiculous and it has done little to improve the performance of the England team. ((The various KO times? The various KO times; eg, the early 12.45 KO's were not designed to help the England team (?!?!) infact, they are designed to give thugs and hooligans a little less time to drink a skinful and start a fight. KO times are controlled by TV, allowing the football to be broadcast to a larger audience 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC))) Top players still go abroad and top foreign players still prefere Spain and Italy. ((The last 'top' player to leave the UK? RvN now cannot get into the Netherlands Squad, Beckham? Pah. Ballack had offers from Spain, look where he ended up 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)))
Michael Ballack's transfer was on a Bosman free, not or £49m as stated in this article. 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody add the time of year the premiership matches are played to the competition section? For an outsider, it seems like it would be useful information, but is currently not included. Thanks.
I can't see how the winner is decided anywhere in the article. 'League' competitions in some countries have a finals series at the end to determine the champion, so this was a source of confusion for me. Does anyone agree? ((I think it might be helpful to include what would happen on a tie at the top, I seem to recall a few years ago the possibility of a tie with points, GD, goals for, and head to head results the same, in which the Premiership would be decided by a one off game. I cant find any evidence for it though 81.106.141.15 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)))
Would it not be best to put this table with the most recent at the top? Frankie Roberto, 12:24, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Team Colours need to be corrected for some clubs, I have corrected up to Fulham. I find it's best to use the shop on the official sites for the colours. Mpbx3003, 10:44 06 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Most Clean Sheets In A Season - Chelsea
Is this definitely correct? According to question three of The Guardian's Tackle Hansen, this record is held by Manchester United. Can anyone confirm/deny this? -- LAW 09:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Top Scorers 1997-98 Andrew Cole also scored 18 league goals that season
This article is littered with non-NPOV and unresearched claims. For instance:
"And lots of people are watching. The Premier League is the world's highest earning soccer league. Deloitte's Sports Business Group reported average revenue per club was 66.3 million pounds ($144.3 million Cdn) in 2003 2004 -- 50 per cent above the nearest competitor, Italy's Serie A." ( Sportsnet.ca article) -- Munkeyjunkey 19:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Someone with a better knowledge of football than me needs to fix this -- I've listed the page as non-neutral and needing cleanup. -- Ngb 08:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that perhaps the "Curse of Christmas" and "The Premiership-Football League gulf" sections should probably be moved to their own articles. Any objections? -- Howcheng 17:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
The lion logo has changed slightly this season - still triangular but far less horizontally symmetrical.
"Always contained a team who's name began with W" - so what? There's always been one with A as well, Arsenal. I'm sure there are other letters too (E - Everton, L - Liverpool, M - Manchester, N - Newcastle. Bob Palin 15:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the Spurs badge on the list of teams to the new 'official' badge - this will be used from now on and will feature on the Spurs kit from next season - so thought i'd bring the list up to date.-- Cavs 16:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Silly question perhaps, but what's the schedule of the league? -- Robert Merkel
Whats the name of the song they play of tv for EPL? Its kinda techno/dance - no words. If you know, could you please tell me! I have been humming it for about a fortnight!!!-- Hamedog Talk| @ 14:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's the data for all the league results in the Premiership, I dont know how to put it in table format so if someone wants to then they could do that. It would be handy for settling office disputes etc...
Pos Team Plyd W D L F A GD Points 1 Manchester United 506 314 118 74 985 455 530 1060 2 Arsenal 506 269 139 98 843 452 391 946 3 Liverpool 506 240 129 137 811 527 284 849 4 Chelsea 506 232 143 131 776 504 272 839 5 Newcastle United 464 201 125 138 727 549 178 728 6 Aston Villa 506 193 146 167 626 577 49 725 7 Leeds United 468 189 125 154 641 573 68 692 8 Tottenham Hotspur 506 177 132 197 661 694 -33 663 9 Blackburn Rovers 430 171 119 140 599 511 88 632 10 Everton 506 163 138 205 617 690 -73 627 11 Southampton 506 150 137 219 596 711 -115 587 12 West Ham United 388 132 104 152 462 535 -73 500 13 Middlesbrough 384 119 114 151 458 524 -66 471 14 Coventry City 354 99 112 143 387 490 -103 409 15 Sheffield Wednesday 316 101 89 126 409 453 -44 392 16 Wimbledon 316 99 94 123 384 472 -88 391 17 Manchester City 316 90 97 129 370 434 -64 367 18 Leicester City 308 84 90 134 314 410 -96 342 19 Charlton Athletic 228 72 64 92 267 327 -60 280 20 Bolton Wanderers 228 66 66 96 262 340 -78 264 21 Derby County 228 67 62 99 251 331 -80 263 22 Nottingham Forest 198 60 59 79 229 287 -58 239 23 Ipswich Town 202 57 53 92 219 312 -93 224 24 Queens Park Rangers 164 59 39 66 224 232 -8 216 25 Sunderland 190 55 49 86 188 266 -78 214 26 Norwich City 164 50 51 63 207 257 -50 201 27 Fulham 152 49 41 62 181 200 -19 188 28 Crystal Palace 160 37 49 74 160 243 -83 160 29 Birmingham 114 36 35 43 124 143 -19 143 30 Sheffield United 84 22 28 34 96 113 -17 94 31 Oldham Athletic 84 22 23 39 105 142 -37 89 32 Portsmouth 76 22 18 36 90 113 -23 84 33 Bradford City 76 14 20 42 68 138 -70 62 34 West Bromwich Albion 76 12 24 40 65 126 -61 60 35 Barnsley 38 10 5 23 37 82 -45 35 36 Wolverhampton Wanderers 38 7 12 19 38 77 -39 33 37 Swindon Town 42 5 15 22 47 100 -53 30 38 Watford 38 6 6 26 35 77 -42 24
Pos | Team | Played | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Manchester United | 506 | 314 | 118 | 74 | 985 | 455 | 530 | 1060 |
2 | Arsenal | 506 | 269 | 139 | 98 | 843 | 452 | 391 | 946 |
3 | Liverpool | 506 | 240 | 129 | 137 | 811 | 527 | 284 | 849 |
4 | Chelsea | 506 | 232 | 143 | 131 | 776 | 504 | 272 | 839 |
5 | Newcastle United | 464 | 201 | 125 | 138 | 727 | 549 | 178 | 728 |
6 | Aston Villa | 506 | 193 | 146 | 167 | 626 | 577 | 49 | 725 |
7 | Leeds United | 468 | 189 | 125 | 154 | 641 | 573 | 68 | 692 |
8 | Tottenham Hotspur | 506 | 177 | 132 | 197 | 661 | 694 | -33 | 663 |
9 | Blackburn Rovers | 430 | 171 | 119 | 140 | 599 | 511 | 88 | 632 |
10 | Everton | 506 | 163 | 138 | 205 | 617 | 690 | -73 | 627 |
11 | Southampton | 506 | 150 | 137 | 219 | 596 | 711 | -115 | 587 |
12 | West Ham United | 388 | 132 | 104 | 152 | 462 | 535 | -73 | 500 |
13 | Middlesbrough | 384 | 119 | 114 | 151 | 458 | 524 | -66 | 471 |
14 | Coventry City | 354 | 99 | 112 | 143 | 387 | 490 | -103 | 409 |
15 | Sheffield Wednesday | 316 | 101 | 89 | 126 | 409 | 453 | -44 | 392 |
16 | Wimbledon | 316 | 99 | 94 | 123 | 384 | 472 | -88 | 391 |
17 | Manchester City | 316 | 90 | 97 | 129 | 370 | 434 | -64 | 367 |
18 | Leicester City | 308 | 84 | 90 | 134 | 314 | 410 | -96 | 342 |
19 | Charlton Athletic | 228 | 72 | 64 | 92 | 267 | 327 | -60 | 280 |
20 | Bolton Wanderers | 228 | 66 | 66 | 96 | 262 | 340 | -78 | 264 |
21 | Derby County | 228 | 67 | 62 | 99 | 251 | 331 | -80 | 263 |
22 | Nottingham Forest | 198 | 60 | 59 | 79 | 229 | 287 | -58 | 239 |
23 | Ipswich Town | 202 | 57 | 53 | 92 | 219 | 312 | -93 | 224 |
24 | Queens Park Rangers | 164 | 59 | 39 | 66 | 224 | 232 | -8 | 216 |
25 | Sunderland | 190 | 55 | 49 | 86 | 188 | 266 | -78 | 214 |
26 | Norwich City | 164 | 50 | 51 | 63 | 207 | 257 | -50 | 201 |
27 | Fulham | 152 | 49 | 41 | 62 | 181 | 200 | -19 | 188 |
28 | Crystal Palace | 160 | 37 | 49 | 74 | 160 | 243 | -83 | 160 |
29 | Birmingham | 114 | 36 | 35 | 43 | 124 | 143 | -19 | 143 |
30 | Sheffield United | 84 | 22 | 28 | 34 | 96 | 113 | -17 | 94 |
31 | Oldham Athletic | 84 | 22 | 23 | 39 | 105 | 142 | -37 | 89 |
32 | Portsmouth | 76 | 22 | 18 | 36 | 90 | 113 | -23 | 84 |
33 | Bradford City | 76 | 14 | 20 | 42 | 68 | 138 | -70 | 62 |
34 | West Bromwich Albion | 76 | 12 | 24 | 40 | 65 | 126 | -61 | 60 |
35 | Barnsley | 38 | 10 | 5 | 23 | 37 | 82 | -45 | 35 |
36 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 38 | 7 | 12 | 19 | 38 | 77 | -39 | 33 |
37 | Swindon Town | 42 | 5 | 15 | 22 | 47 | 100 | -53 | 30 |
38 | Watford | 38 | 6 | 6 | 26 | 35 | 77 | -42 | 24 |
I used de:Wikipedia:Helferlein/VBA-Macro for EXCEL tableconversion and some minor manual edits with the help of Meta:Help:Table Nil Einne 12:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The table is all good, but does not take into account the fact that some teams have played more games than others. Perhaps someone could compute a win percentage or a points per game ratio (as well as mean number of points per season) and add a column to the table including that. It is obvious that ManU and Arsenal will still head the list, since the teams that have played less games and accumulated fewer points have not played every season. But for mid-table teams like Villa, Boro, Spurs and Everton, it might provide a more accurate comparison of performance in the league, e.g. just because Everton have played every season, does not mean they are more consistent than Boro or Blackburn, because the last two did not play every season but has been highly successful at times. Also, it is obvious that the table needs updating; it was only correct as of the end of the 05-06 season.
Pardon me for the comment, but it seems that Wikipedia's Featured Articles still have a long way to go. Avman M 14:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason no one has every put up a current league table that would be updated as results occurred? I thouht about doing it, but I wondered if there was a reason no one else had.
This table is clearly incorrect. It gives Man U a season more (and correspondingly higher number of games played) than all of the other teams that have been in the Premiership since its inception. This includes Arsenal and Liverpool (both of whom in fairness would still be behind Man U in the table). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.228.185 ( talk • contribs) .
Is there an RSS feed showing the premiership tbale i.e. 20 items per week in premiership table order? If so, could this be added as an external link so readers can get the latest table?
We seem to have an orphaned asterisk {*) against Total wins* in the table's heading. Can anyone shed any light on this please? See FA_Premier_League#FA_Premier_League_Winners_to_date. Alias Flood 17:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The list of managers is fairly irrelevant IMO, would anyone object if it was removed? Oldelpaso 13:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
The Major League Soccer page has a box that displays the year the league was founded, the number of teams, and the last cup winner. Should this page have similiar infobox? I rather like the info box, but maybe the information provided there would need to be changed to fit with the Premiership. Thoughts? Rballou 17:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I simply removed the info box (which contained no info) part of it for now, leaving just the logo. This seems to be the standard for most leagues around here. I think you want either a clean look with like this, or useful info there. --
Cthomer5000 03:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the last two paragraphs from the worldwide section as I searched and couldn't find any sources for the info. The only references to "football ferries" seem to come from replications of this article, and the comment about Irish supporters preferring the EPL certainly seems POV without a source.
The part about the Old Firm clubs would also need sources. I found an article about the Old Firm clubs making overtures to join the EPL in 2001, but FIFA and UEFA rejected this. I'm not sure how it's relevant to the article right now, unless someone can locate a more recent source. - Pal 13:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
One of the FAC objections rightly points out that newspaper coverage of the Premier League is not mentioned in the Media coverage section. I sat down to add a couple of paragraphs, but I'm having trouble avoiding weasel words and finding references. Football dominates newspaper sports coverage in England, and Premier League matches, teams and players get the majority of it. That is evident to anyone who picks up an English newspaper. But finding a source which says this is difficult, as most relevant search terms take you straight to sports coverage itself. Anyone have any ideas? Oldelpaso 19:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
In comments on this article's FAC page, some have suggested moving the "All-Time Table" into its own article and simply linking to it. I'm leaning towards this as it might not be of great importance to the main article, but I wanted to see if anyone had any objections first. - Pal 21:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The sentence This represents an increase of over 60 per cent from the average attendance of 21,126 recorded in the league's first season (1992-93). is possibly misleading; in 1992-93 a large number of grounds had restricted capacities, as they were being redeveloped to comply with the requirements set out in the Taylor Report. Oldelpaso 19:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
What about creating a List of foreign FA Premier League players like the List of foreign MLS players? In England foreign players are gaining more attention day-by-day, so it would be useful to group'em in a list. Too hard? P.S.: unfortunately I haven't enough infos to create it, but I would collaborate. -- necronudist 16:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think something should be said about the catholic/protestant in the foundations of the league. Like Celtic and Rangers, English clubs have allegiances to christian denominations, which have been all but forgotten. Many clubs in the league have take a side each, indeed, it was the reason for their founding. For example, Liverpool/Everton, Manchester United/Manchester City are teams who bear this mark. Perhaps someone could clarify the same with other teams such as Birmingham/Aston Villa, Sheffield United/Wednesday and some of the london teams. Tottenham, of course, has jewish roots. I think this is a fascinating and fundemental aspect of British football that should be mentioned in detail. Bobbyfletch85 00:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I reverted an addition about the "official supplier of numbers, letters and sleeve badges". I generally try not to use the term "cruft", but in this case I can't think of another way to describe it. Oldelpaso 18:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Why did FIFA pressure the FA to limit its size? This is not explained as far as I can see. Anchoress 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
"It is presently contested by 20 clubs, dominated by Arsenal, Manchester United and current champions Chelsea." Little bit harsh to exclude Liverpool. They have never actually won it, but they have come second twice, and are 3rd in the All-time FA Premier League table. They were the Bookies' second favourites this year, ahead of Arsenal and Man Utd. Legis 10:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The article lack HDTV broadcasting information.
This article claims that there are 'a total of 760 games in a Premier League season.' I may be wrong, but I'm fairly sure it's 380; 20 teams x 19 home games (you don't need to count away matches because they will still be someone's home matches) gives 380. Can anyone else confirm this? Happyjoe5 16:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Not to be nitpicky, but this picture is actually of an FA Cup match, not a Premier League match. See [2] for pictures from WireImages. howch e ng { chat} 16:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
As a new fan of the EPL, I was wondering which is considered a more prestigious honor for a team: to win the Premier League or to win the FA Cup? Nygoodliving 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
That said, for clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal who have never won it, it might be a bigger achievement. Illuminattile 12:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
some of the appeal of the fa cup was lost when man utd didnt enter because they were playing in the world club cup but the appeal of the cup has been restored now i think.-- Numberwang 14:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know the payroll level for the clubs in the EPL? I know that 4 clubs pay quite a bit higher than the rest, but it would be helpful to see just how large the differences are. Kenallen 22:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I just put on a map I just whipped up to show the locations of the teams. It definitely could be better, something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FA_Clubs_map_home_colours.PNG. Or at least it could be better quality (this is my first map). I felt that since many other leagues have maps showing the locations of their teams it would be a good addition. Senor k 12:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Good idea maybe you could make one for the coming season Chaza93 20:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link at the top. Hassocks5489 17:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
the Premier League or Premiership or Barclays Premier League or simply the Premiership. should never be refered to as the EPL -- Numberwang 22:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
"The EPL" is the common nickname for the league in the United States. While it may not be an official name of the league, it is nevertheless accurate (in that the Premier League is in England, and therefore English), widespread, and understood by all Americans that follow soccer (and many that don't). 67.101.97.171 23:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Fulham's stadium can actually hold 24,554 rather then 22,000. This also makes it higher then Reading's Madjeski stadium. In 2007/08 the capacity will be increased to about 26,000. 90.194.239.197 14:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to add this please cite the inforation Chaza93 20:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The Premiership boasts some of the best players in the world, including many from outside England.
Is it really necessary to include "incl. many from outside england"? That seems a little redundant to me, surely it is obvious that the best players in the world aren't all from england. Tommy Stardust 15:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure why the cups Premiership teams compete in shouldn't be included in the infobox. Using the logic that "they have nothing to do with the Premier League," then the UEFA links should be removed as they have nothing to do with the league. As the cups are listed on every league page of every country on which this particular infobox appears, I'm not sure why they shouldn't also appear here. - Pal 23:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page on UEFA League coefficients for 2007-08 puts the Premier League in third place behind Spain and Italy. Why does the first paragraph of the article therefore say "The Premier League is currently second behind Spain's La Liga in the UEFA rankings of European leagues, which are based on the performances of member clubs in European competitions over a five-year period." If there is an updated (2007) edition of the UEFA coefficients, why hasn't the update been made on the UEFA coefficients page. If Englad is still # 3, the above information is wrong. Avman M 00:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
IMO these need work. It leaps straight from the 10 "super league" clubs threatening to break away to an already-established 22-team league. Plus, for the uninitiated, they might not understand how big the Football League was before, how the money was split, how promotion/relegation previously worked, how it changed, what the names of the old divisions were, etc.
It says that more detail is provided in the History of English Football article but it's glossed over here, too.
I'd like to see the aforementioned sections drastically fleshed out because they are sorely lacking at present. Nach0king 22:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
This line, falls totally into the above and should be removed...
Why just the last 5 years (recentism) and why use a totally unofficial claim to back it up? If taken into account the most presitgious honour a European club can achieve, the European Cup, the English league is historically a long way off the mark according to European Cup and Champions League records and statistics.
This is the information that should be used so not to fall into recentism, unofficial and POV. It uses the simple facts of the most prestigious tournament in European football. - The Daddy 07:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
i always noticed that current league tables aren't included in articles, i thought it was because this was deemed to news-y or something and was really relevant to an encyclopaedic article. but either way can we include the table in this article, or exclude similar tables from other articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.157.194 ( talk) 19:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
"The 2007–08 Season sees the Premier League introduce a new theme song, logo, typeface for player names and numbers, and patches." has anyone got details of this new stuff? Screen42 22:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Surely we should call this the English Prmier League seeing as some other countries call their leagues the Premier League. El- Nin 09 20:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a picture of the trophy awarded to the champions somewhere in the article. The FA Cup article has a picture of the trophy. I know the Premier League trophy is nowhere near as famous, but then again how many trophies are as famous as the FA Cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.208.26 ( talk) 00:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Anyone watching this article? Vandal alert: 77.107.196.106. Apparantly a Manchester United fan, and Chelsea and Arsenal "Hater" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaiver0510 ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
The concept of transfers is pretty unique in the sports world (in the U.S, sports have free agency and trades. It would be useful to have an explanation of how they work. For instance:
216.145.56.17 21:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC) miles l
I have removed the stadia list as it is only tangentially related to the Premier League itself, and the material was more or less a duplicate of that at List of English football stadia by capacity. -- Oldelpaso ( talk) 17:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
The following line in the Premier League#Foundation section seems to be either WP:POV or WP:OR. I think it needs a reference. This was considered necessary so that English clubs could once again compete with and beat the best of Europe, while attracting the best talent in the world, something which in 1991 seemed practically unthinkable. Peanut4 ( talk) 23:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The name of this article, Premier League, should be English Premier League. As it is, there is an implication of exclusivity, ie that this league is the Premier League and any other sporting competition which has a "premier league" in its competition structure is less worthy of the title.
A parallel example: The word Idol as well as its dictionary meanings is also a short colloquial reference to a certain TV show - but the reference varies according to where you are. An American uses the word to refer to American Idol, a Briton to Pop Idol. The Wiki article Idol is a disambiguation page, not an article about one version of that TV show.
I will monitor this discussion for a short while, after which I will be moving this article to English Premier League (which is currently a redirect) and making Premier League into a disambiguation page. Darcyj ( talk) 03:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Disagree, as per fchd and Woody. I do agree that this should have gone on WP:RM, though I feel the point is now moot as there seems to be a distinct lack of consensus on the move. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 19:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this 260, or 261? Everywhere else on wiki, including the Alan Shearer article, states 260, which is also the total if you add all the league goals he's scored since '92 (when Premiership started). However, on the Top scorers section of this article, and on the official Premiership website it says 261. Can someone who knows the correct figure clarify/correct this please? Feudonym ( talk) 06:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
SoccerBase says 260 ( http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=7218). As Feudonym says, the official Premier League site says 261. It also adds up to 261 if you extract from the tables his performance each season: 16, 31, 34, 31, 25, 2, 14, 23, 5, 24, 17, 22, 7, 10, 0.
The discrepancy is in the 2001/2002 season. According to the Alan Shearer article on Wikipedia, Shearer scored 23 goals for Newcastle United in that season, but the FA records 24 goals.
The Newcastle website lists all of Shearer's goals for each of his seasons with them, and they record 24, which I tend to regard as definitive. ( http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ShearerGoalDetail/0,,10278~757279,00.html)
I suggest that his number of goals should be increased to 261. Nickpullar ( talk) 17:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I've spotted another similar problem. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbainks's goals were changed from 128 to 129 today. According to Hasselbaink's article and soccerbase he scored 129 Premier League goals, but the reference on the Premier League page says 128. I've reverted it back to 128, simply to fit in line with the reference on the main page itself. Peanut4 ( talk) 01:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)