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The article should IMO state what countries use such a convention. To this Frenchman, post-nominal letters look strange when first encountered, if not bragging. :) Leafcat ( talk) 07:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it makes sense to merge this article with the "Post-nomial" article. In fact,is there even such a word as "nomial"???
I'm not aware of any such word - I get the impression the article was created as a result of a mis-spelling? Michael Dorosh Talk 15:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a right is granted to use and award post-nominal letters? Is it by a Government, or can an individual choose to add letters after his name (eg a new combination of his/her own choosing)?
What if you have a BSc(Hons) and a MSc? Which do you use then? Can you use both? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.120.153 ( talk) 01:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess that the parenthesis means "similar rules are followed in other locales (countries)"; but I hesitate to correct it lest I've missed something. — Tamfang ( talk) 03:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand "2. Decorations and honours and decorations (in descending order of precedence)." I would delete "and decorations" were it not for the possibility I'm overlooking something. -- Vaughan Pratt ( talk) 03:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Quote: "Awards from the same faculty replace lower-ranking degrees". This is not supported by the Oxford Calendar (referenced as Note 2). While the Oxford Calendar states that BA MA should be avoided, this is because in the case of Oxford (and Cambridge and Trinity Dublin)the BA and MA refer to the SAME degree. Oxford BAs can usually convert to MA (referred to as incepting)after a period of time, without further study or examination. This is in contrast to most other British universities where, currently, an MA is a further or higher degree awarded after further study and examination (often part taught, part research). Oxbridge do offer such higher degrees, for example MPhil. The Scottish universities award an MA as a first degree in arts subjects (but don't award a BA as a stage to MA). For an Oxford Graduate to place BA MA after their names would imply two degrees when it is in fact only one. Carelessorc ( talk) 15:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone update 2011 version to 2012 please? - I am an editing novice ! http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/global/wwwoxacuk/localsites/gazette/documents/universitycalendar/Calendar_Style_Guide_2012.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgy ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
The section on UK usage of degrees suggests that part of the difference between UK and US usage is that it is possible in the UK to earner a higher degree without necessarily obtaining a lower one. But it is possible to earn a PhD in the US without getting a Masters degree, although I would imagine that the practice varies from institution to institution, and even among different departments in one particular institution. Wschart ( talk) 12:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"Where two different postgraduate qualifications with the same name have been obtained (for example two different postgraduate MAs from King's College London and University of Sussex), this can be indicated by using one degree postnominal, and the abbreviations of the two awarding bodies in parentheses, sometimes joined by the Latin "et" (or with an ampersand), e.g. "Jane Smith MA (KCL et Sussex)", and not "Jane Smith MA MA". However, when qualifications with the same name have been gained through different routes (for example an MA from Oxford University converted from a Bachelor of Arts, and a studied and examined postgraduate degree from King's College London these are listed separately with the institution only listed after the non-examined qualification (e.g. "Jane Smith MA(Oxf) MA", and not "Jane Smith MA (Oxf et KCL)")."
This article contains no examples of uses of postnomials for officeholders. An obvious example would be a "Fellow of the [some organization here]" initialism, but I don't know enough about them right off the top of my head to add something. We need a title like that which either has its own article, or has a section at an article, so we can link to it, like "An example of use of a postnomial for an office is ''FABC'' for '[[Agnostic Bathospheric Confederation#Fellowship program|Fellow of the Agnostic Bathospheric Confederation]]'.
". —
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I've tagged three paragraphs in the Etiquette for deciding which higher educational qualifications may be listed post-nominally > In the UK sub-section that appear to be original research. I've been adding references to this article, and I cannot find anything to support the assertions made here. I notice that part of this section was already questioned in 2013 ( #PhD w/o Masters degree), without any response, and another part in 2015 ( #et). Robminchin ( talk) 01:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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...in other words, using post-nominals that you didn't earn, such as saying you are [name][surname] Q.C.. Is it illegal? 101.161.167.89 ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
In the UK some societies hold a royal charter allowing them to indicate that some of their members have Chartered status (they have a high level of professionalism), and those members are entitled to use post-nominal letters such as CEng (chartered engineer). This article does not explain where these post-nominals should be shown. I hold 2 charterships, one granted directly from my professional body, and a second chartership granted through an association between my professional body and the Engineering Council (CEng charterships are not issued directly by the engineering council, but only by ascribing professional bodies such as the Institution of Electrical Engineers. My professional society lists CEng first, then my membership of the professional body, followed by my professional bodies chartership. This seems illogical as the charterships are not placed next to each other, neither are the post-nominals in chronological order.
I was hoping that this article would shed some light onto this.
Would anyone like to update the page to include chartership post-nominals?
FreeFlow99 ( talk) 11:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Of the four descriptions in the opening sentence 'Post-nominal letters, also called post-nominal initials, post-nominal titles, designatory letters or simply post-nominals' I am only familiar with last suggestion 'post-nominals'. Each of the first two descriptions, ‘post-nominal letters’ and ‘post-nominal initials’ could be a tautology. I am surprised at ‘post-nominal titles’ and I think the title of the article should be simply ‘post-nominals'. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 00:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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The article should IMO state what countries use such a convention. To this Frenchman, post-nominal letters look strange when first encountered, if not bragging. :) Leafcat ( talk) 07:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it makes sense to merge this article with the "Post-nomial" article. In fact,is there even such a word as "nomial"???
I'm not aware of any such word - I get the impression the article was created as a result of a mis-spelling? Michael Dorosh Talk 15:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a right is granted to use and award post-nominal letters? Is it by a Government, or can an individual choose to add letters after his name (eg a new combination of his/her own choosing)?
What if you have a BSc(Hons) and a MSc? Which do you use then? Can you use both? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.120.153 ( talk) 01:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess that the parenthesis means "similar rules are followed in other locales (countries)"; but I hesitate to correct it lest I've missed something. — Tamfang ( talk) 03:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand "2. Decorations and honours and decorations (in descending order of precedence)." I would delete "and decorations" were it not for the possibility I'm overlooking something. -- Vaughan Pratt ( talk) 03:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Quote: "Awards from the same faculty replace lower-ranking degrees". This is not supported by the Oxford Calendar (referenced as Note 2). While the Oxford Calendar states that BA MA should be avoided, this is because in the case of Oxford (and Cambridge and Trinity Dublin)the BA and MA refer to the SAME degree. Oxford BAs can usually convert to MA (referred to as incepting)after a period of time, without further study or examination. This is in contrast to most other British universities where, currently, an MA is a further or higher degree awarded after further study and examination (often part taught, part research). Oxbridge do offer such higher degrees, for example MPhil. The Scottish universities award an MA as a first degree in arts subjects (but don't award a BA as a stage to MA). For an Oxford Graduate to place BA MA after their names would imply two degrees when it is in fact only one. Carelessorc ( talk) 15:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone update 2011 version to 2012 please? - I am an editing novice ! http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/global/wwwoxacuk/localsites/gazette/documents/universitycalendar/Calendar_Style_Guide_2012.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgy ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
The section on UK usage of degrees suggests that part of the difference between UK and US usage is that it is possible in the UK to earner a higher degree without necessarily obtaining a lower one. But it is possible to earn a PhD in the US without getting a Masters degree, although I would imagine that the practice varies from institution to institution, and even among different departments in one particular institution. Wschart ( talk) 12:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"Where two different postgraduate qualifications with the same name have been obtained (for example two different postgraduate MAs from King's College London and University of Sussex), this can be indicated by using one degree postnominal, and the abbreviations of the two awarding bodies in parentheses, sometimes joined by the Latin "et" (or with an ampersand), e.g. "Jane Smith MA (KCL et Sussex)", and not "Jane Smith MA MA". However, when qualifications with the same name have been gained through different routes (for example an MA from Oxford University converted from a Bachelor of Arts, and a studied and examined postgraduate degree from King's College London these are listed separately with the institution only listed after the non-examined qualification (e.g. "Jane Smith MA(Oxf) MA", and not "Jane Smith MA (Oxf et KCL)")."
This article contains no examples of uses of postnomials for officeholders. An obvious example would be a "Fellow of the [some organization here]" initialism, but I don't know enough about them right off the top of my head to add something. We need a title like that which either has its own article, or has a section at an article, so we can link to it, like "An example of use of a postnomial for an office is ''FABC'' for '[[Agnostic Bathospheric Confederation#Fellowship program|Fellow of the Agnostic Bathospheric Confederation]]'.
". —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I've tagged three paragraphs in the Etiquette for deciding which higher educational qualifications may be listed post-nominally > In the UK sub-section that appear to be original research. I've been adding references to this article, and I cannot find anything to support the assertions made here. I notice that part of this section was already questioned in 2013 ( #PhD w/o Masters degree), without any response, and another part in 2015 ( #et). Robminchin ( talk) 01:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:Suffix (name)#Rename and reorganize as a CONCEPTDAB page for discussion of converting that page to WP:SUMMARY style, at a better name. The proposal there may affect some redirects to the present article. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 22:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
...in other words, using post-nominals that you didn't earn, such as saying you are [name][surname] Q.C.. Is it illegal? 101.161.167.89 ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
In the UK some societies hold a royal charter allowing them to indicate that some of their members have Chartered status (they have a high level of professionalism), and those members are entitled to use post-nominal letters such as CEng (chartered engineer). This article does not explain where these post-nominals should be shown. I hold 2 charterships, one granted directly from my professional body, and a second chartership granted through an association between my professional body and the Engineering Council (CEng charterships are not issued directly by the engineering council, but only by ascribing professional bodies such as the Institution of Electrical Engineers. My professional society lists CEng first, then my membership of the professional body, followed by my professional bodies chartership. This seems illogical as the charterships are not placed next to each other, neither are the post-nominals in chronological order.
I was hoping that this article would shed some light onto this.
Would anyone like to update the page to include chartership post-nominals?
FreeFlow99 ( talk) 11:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Of the four descriptions in the opening sentence 'Post-nominal letters, also called post-nominal initials, post-nominal titles, designatory letters or simply post-nominals' I am only familiar with last suggestion 'post-nominals'. Each of the first two descriptions, ‘post-nominal letters’ and ‘post-nominal initials’ could be a tautology. I am surprised at ‘post-nominal titles’ and I think the title of the article should be simply ‘post-nominals'. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 00:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)