This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
You say Benedict XVI, so what does this imply about Gregory XII (who became Pope under the condition that he would resign if that could end the Western Schism)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B103:1DCC:E933:7F48:26EB:B0AC ( talk) 10:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
What is the basis for this comment: "Despite his brief and disastrous papacy..."? Nothing in the following text suggests there was anything especially disastrous about this papacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Storm talk ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
While substantive, the formatting is very poor. It is not grouped into topics or sections, and is more like an essay than a biographical entry. I am not saying I can do better, but with poor formatting and no citations, it is not Wikipedia quality. - Tolstoy143 Quos vult perdere dementat 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
My guess is that Bingham is a reference to a papal historian; if you look at most of the other entries for the earlier popes they are taken from late 19th-century encyclopedias, which cite these historians. User:FeanorStar7
'Poor but honest'? 'untimely death'? That entry reads more like Danielle Steel than an encyclopedia. It makes the entire article very dubious.
I found the following potentially useful source:
-- Filll 15:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement as to Celestine's birth year. Some have it as 1215, others as 1221, and the Catholic Church has it at 1209. I'm going with 1209 for now, but I would like to see some documentation of that from non-church sources if possible.-- Kurtkoeh ( talk) 11:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
“Many early commentators thought that [Dante] stigmatized Celestine V. Most later commentators, however, refute such an identification.” An overstatement. Many commentators, early and late, have thought it likely. Some are uncertain, others reject it. But it does have a long tradition behind it and finds a lot of support in the present (e.g. Hollander, Barbara Reynolds, Simonelli, Padoan and many others). In 1986 Pompeo Giannantonio wrote: “All'identificazione con Celestino V ha aderito la maggioranza degli studiosi." Wikipedia ought to say this Ettormo ( talk) 20:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Is there a RS calling him (or popes in general) monarchs? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
A great deal of this entry comes directly from Encyclopedia Britannica. A quick Google search turns up a result at
That edition of EB is probably out of copyright, but it needs to be cited nonetheless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maskaggs ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Is this appropriate terminology? Over on the papal resignation article, it is specifically stated that it is NEVER referred to as abdication by the church. Similarly, the hotlink should possibly point to the resignation article. Thoughts? Infojunkie23 ( talk) 11:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Pope Celestine V → Celestine V – Celestine V, acting with papal supremacy, renounced his position as Pope. If the man with absolute authority over the workings of the Church says he is no longer a Pope, it is so. Wikipedia uses current info, and, most recently, this man was not a Pope. Dead Popes remain Popes, because even death does not have the authority to remove this title. InedibleHulk ( talk) 17:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The source cited in the papacy section (a Washington Post article) says that Celestine issued the canon for resignation after five months in office. The lead, citing the History channel says it was one of his first decrees. I have tried to remove the latter claim and restore earlier text and this has been reverted twice. Well, they can't both be true. 50.136.204.189 ( talk) 09:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Under sainthood on right right panel, It says that Celestine V was canonized by Pope Boniface VIII. And, on top of that, in 1313? Didn't Pope Boniface VIII died in 1303? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.9.9 ( talk) 12:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The article says his papacy began on July 5, 1294. At least two online versions of the Catholic Encyclopedia—one here and one here—say he was "elected" that day but "consecrated and crowned" on August 29. Given the word "consecrated", I'm thinking that "crowned" in this sense is like the inauguration of a US president, not like the coronation of a British monarch: that is, his term of office began then, not on the date of election. This is sort of confirmed by this article, which says he was pope for only 3 months.
Based on this reasoning it sounds to me as though August 29 is the correct date. Unless someone has a more reliable source to cite, that is, or one clearly starting that the date of election is the right date to use. I'm no expert in papal history, so I'm just tagging the July 5 date as "dubious".
-- 70.49.171.136 ( talk) 13:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Pope Celestine V. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
You say Benedict XVI, so what does this imply about Gregory XII (who became Pope under the condition that he would resign if that could end the Western Schism)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B103:1DCC:E933:7F48:26EB:B0AC ( talk) 10:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
What is the basis for this comment: "Despite his brief and disastrous papacy..."? Nothing in the following text suggests there was anything especially disastrous about this papacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Storm talk ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
While substantive, the formatting is very poor. It is not grouped into topics or sections, and is more like an essay than a biographical entry. I am not saying I can do better, but with poor formatting and no citations, it is not Wikipedia quality. - Tolstoy143 Quos vult perdere dementat 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
My guess is that Bingham is a reference to a papal historian; if you look at most of the other entries for the earlier popes they are taken from late 19th-century encyclopedias, which cite these historians. User:FeanorStar7
'Poor but honest'? 'untimely death'? That entry reads more like Danielle Steel than an encyclopedia. It makes the entire article very dubious.
I found the following potentially useful source:
-- Filll 15:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement as to Celestine's birth year. Some have it as 1215, others as 1221, and the Catholic Church has it at 1209. I'm going with 1209 for now, but I would like to see some documentation of that from non-church sources if possible.-- Kurtkoeh ( talk) 11:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
“Many early commentators thought that [Dante] stigmatized Celestine V. Most later commentators, however, refute such an identification.” An overstatement. Many commentators, early and late, have thought it likely. Some are uncertain, others reject it. But it does have a long tradition behind it and finds a lot of support in the present (e.g. Hollander, Barbara Reynolds, Simonelli, Padoan and many others). In 1986 Pompeo Giannantonio wrote: “All'identificazione con Celestino V ha aderito la maggioranza degli studiosi." Wikipedia ought to say this Ettormo ( talk) 20:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Is there a RS calling him (or popes in general) monarchs? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
A great deal of this entry comes directly from Encyclopedia Britannica. A quick Google search turns up a result at
That edition of EB is probably out of copyright, but it needs to be cited nonetheless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maskaggs ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Is this appropriate terminology? Over on the papal resignation article, it is specifically stated that it is NEVER referred to as abdication by the church. Similarly, the hotlink should possibly point to the resignation article. Thoughts? Infojunkie23 ( talk) 11:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Pope Celestine V → Celestine V – Celestine V, acting with papal supremacy, renounced his position as Pope. If the man with absolute authority over the workings of the Church says he is no longer a Pope, it is so. Wikipedia uses current info, and, most recently, this man was not a Pope. Dead Popes remain Popes, because even death does not have the authority to remove this title. InedibleHulk ( talk) 17:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The source cited in the papacy section (a Washington Post article) says that Celestine issued the canon for resignation after five months in office. The lead, citing the History channel says it was one of his first decrees. I have tried to remove the latter claim and restore earlier text and this has been reverted twice. Well, they can't both be true. 50.136.204.189 ( talk) 09:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Under sainthood on right right panel, It says that Celestine V was canonized by Pope Boniface VIII. And, on top of that, in 1313? Didn't Pope Boniface VIII died in 1303? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.9.9 ( talk) 12:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The article says his papacy began on July 5, 1294. At least two online versions of the Catholic Encyclopedia—one here and one here—say he was "elected" that day but "consecrated and crowned" on August 29. Given the word "consecrated", I'm thinking that "crowned" in this sense is like the inauguration of a US president, not like the coronation of a British monarch: that is, his term of office began then, not on the date of election. This is sort of confirmed by this article, which says he was pope for only 3 months.
Based on this reasoning it sounds to me as though August 29 is the correct date. Unless someone has a more reliable source to cite, that is, or one clearly starting that the date of election is the right date to use. I'm no expert in papal history, so I'm just tagging the July 5 date as "dubious".
-- 70.49.171.136 ( talk) 13:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Pope Celestine V. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)