Instead of deleting, how about redirecting to Farmhouse? I think plantation houses are important in the American South as symbols of slavery and of the cultures surrounding the cotton and tobacco economies. Maybe someday someone could include such things in Farmhouse. Or maybe there's a better redirect for this that I haven't thought of. -- Allen 01:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, feel free to go ahead and redirect wherever you want. As long as it's not this cheesy cliche college frat house... What's esp. sad is that if it really is notable for being a historic house - which I haven't been able to verify - the history of it is completely drowned out by the embarrassing photo in this article. — Wknight94 ( talk) 01:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
We will get a better picture for the article. This house truely is historic and dates to 1837. It is one of the oldest houses in the Oxford City limits and is not a frat house. It simply frequently houses students who want to live close to the university but does not have any affilitation with the university or any greek organization. Thank you.
- Does anyone know if it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places? -- Hansnesse 01:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- (response to the unsigned comment above...) I see. Thanks for responding. What do you think of putting this information in Miami University Plantation House? A Google search suggests there are a lot of individual buildings in the country called "Plantation House". Or, if you think the reference to Miami University is inappropriate since there's no actual affiliation, how about, "Plantation House (Oxford, Ohio)"? Then we could make a disambiguation page for Plantation House. -- Allen 01:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it matters that it dates to 1837. If you go to the downtown area of any decent-size town in the northeast, dozens of houses are that old. But if some better sources can be found (which apparently they can't), it might even survive Afd. An individual historic house would preferably have write-ups on historical societies' web sites, etc. I don't see that happening in this case. — Wknight94 ( talk) 02:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Making a page that said "Plantation House (Oxford, Ohio)" would work, and the picture will soon be changed to a more decent one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoshNel123 ( talk • contribs) .
- I'm still not hearing the magic word: "sources". It doesn't even come up as part of blogs or personal web pages or anything. This is starting to sound less notable than my house. And now I've got people related to this article (
User talk:Hachster23) Afd'ing pages mentioned on my user page. Is that supposed to add to this article's credibility? Also, please use ~~~~ to sign your talk postings. There's three or four users and anon's that are killing me today... Everyone stop trying to turn Wikipedia into your personal diary. No one cares about a frat house in the middle of Ohio. Just because it was (maybe) built in 1837 doesn't make it an excuse to show a picture of all your drinking buddies like a rip-off still shot from
Animal House. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I decided to
be bold and redirect this to
Farmhouse as Allen suggested. Feel free to continue this over at
Miami University Plantation House which is the same article. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wknight94, thanks for taking my suggestion. But please try to keep a gentler tone. JoshNel123 seems to be editing in good faith (not that you said he wasn't). He said he was going to change the picture. And it's not nice to say that someone is trying to turn Wikipedia into their personal diary, or that no one cares about the house they live in. Just say you think it's non-notable. --
Allen 05:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- My apologies. Just seems like this same battle is being fought on too many fronts at once. People writing articles for every bookstore and chinese restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts (I'm not exaggerating - an article for a hole-in-the-wall chinese restaurant) and their favorite gas station and next it will be their dogs, etc. And now I'm being attacked by sockpuppets trying to Afd things I worked on because of this dumb article. Seems like I need a Wikibreak soon. Wikipedia seems to be turning into more nonsense than usefulness. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 05:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- In response to wknight94, the articles he had that I proposed for deletion were not due to his comments on this article. I didn't see the significance of an article on baseball player Mike Mordecai, who has had basically a non-existant major league career. I didn't think a Wikipedia article is needed for every person who has ever made a major league team. If you're criticizing this article for not being notable, I don't see how your article on Mordecai can be anymore significant—
Hachster23
- First, it's not my article. I just fixed it up because it was a mess. Second, every Major League player in history is considered notable here. That's the standard. And third, that's quite a coincidence that the only two people whose articles you've half-nominated for Afd are Mike Mordecai and Robert Iler. The only connection they have on this planet is that they're male human beings and that their articles are on my user page. From your anon talk page, User talk:24.164.79.187, you clearly have a habit of stumbling on such coincidences. And pick better candidates for retaliatory deletion at least... Mordecai has had a productive 12-year career and played in two World Series and owns a World Championship ring. Iler is a key component of one of the best award-winning dramas in television history. There are many pages listed just on my user page that would've stood a much better chance. — Wknight94 ( talk) 21:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- In response to wknight94, the articles he had that I proposed for deletion were not due to his comments on this article. I didn't see the significance of an article on baseball player Mike Mordecai, who has had basically a non-existant major league career. I didn't think a Wikipedia article is needed for every person who has ever made a major league team. If you're criticizing this article for not being notable, I don't see how your article on Mordecai can be anymore significant—
Hachster23
- My apologies. Just seems like this same battle is being fought on too many fronts at once. People writing articles for every bookstore and chinese restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts (I'm not exaggerating - an article for a hole-in-the-wall chinese restaurant) and their favorite gas station and next it will be their dogs, etc. And now I'm being attacked by sockpuppets trying to Afd things I worked on because of this dumb article. Seems like I need a Wikibreak soon. Wikipedia seems to be turning into more nonsense than usefulness. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 05:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wknight94, thanks for taking my suggestion. But please try to keep a gentler tone. JoshNel123 seems to be editing in good faith (not that you said he wasn't). He said he was going to change the picture. And it's not nice to say that someone is trying to turn Wikipedia into their personal diary, or that no one cares about the house they live in. Just say you think it's non-notable. --
Allen 05:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I decided to
be bold and redirect this to
Farmhouse as Allen suggested. Feel free to continue this over at
Miami University Plantation House which is the same article. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I've converted this to a dab page, since now at least Plantation complexes in the Southeastern United States discusses plantation houses in the southern U.S. in-depth and farmhouse doesn't even mention them at the moment (5 years after the last discussion).
My slave is in the planters house 2600:1700:571:5970:D513:3FBF:D60B:A699 ( talk) 11:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Instead of deleting, how about redirecting to Farmhouse? I think plantation houses are important in the American South as symbols of slavery and of the cultures surrounding the cotton and tobacco economies. Maybe someday someone could include such things in Farmhouse. Or maybe there's a better redirect for this that I haven't thought of. -- Allen 01:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, feel free to go ahead and redirect wherever you want. As long as it's not this cheesy cliche college frat house... What's esp. sad is that if it really is notable for being a historic house - which I haven't been able to verify - the history of it is completely drowned out by the embarrassing photo in this article. — Wknight94 ( talk) 01:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
We will get a better picture for the article. This house truely is historic and dates to 1837. It is one of the oldest houses in the Oxford City limits and is not a frat house. It simply frequently houses students who want to live close to the university but does not have any affilitation with the university or any greek organization. Thank you.
- Does anyone know if it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places? -- Hansnesse 01:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- (response to the unsigned comment above...) I see. Thanks for responding. What do you think of putting this information in Miami University Plantation House? A Google search suggests there are a lot of individual buildings in the country called "Plantation House". Or, if you think the reference to Miami University is inappropriate since there's no actual affiliation, how about, "Plantation House (Oxford, Ohio)"? Then we could make a disambiguation page for Plantation House. -- Allen 01:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it matters that it dates to 1837. If you go to the downtown area of any decent-size town in the northeast, dozens of houses are that old. But if some better sources can be found (which apparently they can't), it might even survive Afd. An individual historic house would preferably have write-ups on historical societies' web sites, etc. I don't see that happening in this case. — Wknight94 ( talk) 02:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Making a page that said "Plantation House (Oxford, Ohio)" would work, and the picture will soon be changed to a more decent one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoshNel123 ( talk • contribs) .
- I'm still not hearing the magic word: "sources". It doesn't even come up as part of blogs or personal web pages or anything. This is starting to sound less notable than my house. And now I've got people related to this article (
User talk:Hachster23) Afd'ing pages mentioned on my user page. Is that supposed to add to this article's credibility? Also, please use ~~~~ to sign your talk postings. There's three or four users and anon's that are killing me today... Everyone stop trying to turn Wikipedia into your personal diary. No one cares about a frat house in the middle of Ohio. Just because it was (maybe) built in 1837 doesn't make it an excuse to show a picture of all your drinking buddies like a rip-off still shot from
Animal House. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I decided to
be bold and redirect this to
Farmhouse as Allen suggested. Feel free to continue this over at
Miami University Plantation House which is the same article. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wknight94, thanks for taking my suggestion. But please try to keep a gentler tone. JoshNel123 seems to be editing in good faith (not that you said he wasn't). He said he was going to change the picture. And it's not nice to say that someone is trying to turn Wikipedia into their personal diary, or that no one cares about the house they live in. Just say you think it's non-notable. --
Allen 05:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- My apologies. Just seems like this same battle is being fought on too many fronts at once. People writing articles for every bookstore and chinese restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts (I'm not exaggerating - an article for a hole-in-the-wall chinese restaurant) and their favorite gas station and next it will be their dogs, etc. And now I'm being attacked by sockpuppets trying to Afd things I worked on because of this dumb article. Seems like I need a Wikibreak soon. Wikipedia seems to be turning into more nonsense than usefulness. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 05:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- In response to wknight94, the articles he had that I proposed for deletion were not due to his comments on this article. I didn't see the significance of an article on baseball player Mike Mordecai, who has had basically a non-existant major league career. I didn't think a Wikipedia article is needed for every person who has ever made a major league team. If you're criticizing this article for not being notable, I don't see how your article on Mordecai can be anymore significant—
Hachster23
- First, it's not my article. I just fixed it up because it was a mess. Second, every Major League player in history is considered notable here. That's the standard. And third, that's quite a coincidence that the only two people whose articles you've half-nominated for Afd are Mike Mordecai and Robert Iler. The only connection they have on this planet is that they're male human beings and that their articles are on my user page. From your anon talk page, User talk:24.164.79.187, you clearly have a habit of stumbling on such coincidences. And pick better candidates for retaliatory deletion at least... Mordecai has had a productive 12-year career and played in two World Series and owns a World Championship ring. Iler is a key component of one of the best award-winning dramas in television history. There are many pages listed just on my user page that would've stood a much better chance. — Wknight94 ( talk) 21:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- In response to wknight94, the articles he had that I proposed for deletion were not due to his comments on this article. I didn't see the significance of an article on baseball player Mike Mordecai, who has had basically a non-existant major league career. I didn't think a Wikipedia article is needed for every person who has ever made a major league team. If you're criticizing this article for not being notable, I don't see how your article on Mordecai can be anymore significant—
Hachster23
- My apologies. Just seems like this same battle is being fought on too many fronts at once. People writing articles for every bookstore and chinese restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts (I'm not exaggerating - an article for a hole-in-the-wall chinese restaurant) and their favorite gas station and next it will be their dogs, etc. And now I'm being attacked by sockpuppets trying to Afd things I worked on because of this dumb article. Seems like I need a Wikibreak soon. Wikipedia seems to be turning into more nonsense than usefulness. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 05:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wknight94, thanks for taking my suggestion. But please try to keep a gentler tone. JoshNel123 seems to be editing in good faith (not that you said he wasn't). He said he was going to change the picture. And it's not nice to say that someone is trying to turn Wikipedia into their personal diary, or that no one cares about the house they live in. Just say you think it's non-notable. --
Allen 05:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I decided to
be bold and redirect this to
Farmhouse as Allen suggested. Feel free to continue this over at
Miami University Plantation House which is the same article. —
Wknight94 (
talk) 04:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I've converted this to a dab page, since now at least Plantation complexes in the Southeastern United States discusses plantation houses in the southern U.S. in-depth and farmhouse doesn't even mention them at the moment (5 years after the last discussion).
My slave is in the planters house 2600:1700:571:5970:D513:3FBF:D60B:A699 ( talk) 11:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)