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The legislation actually before parliament describes the required colour of cigarette packs as "drab dark brown" rather than the olive green earlier proposed. I suspect it's because the olive growers complained that the connection gave their product a bad name.
This means that the pic is wrong. Can we find a new one? HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I have added new information to this page, on the evidence and arguments for and against plain packaging, and a link to a Cancer Research UK campaign site that contains more information. A disclosure - I work for Cancer Research UK, who are actively lobbying for plain packaging. However, I hope the information I have added to this page will be seen as an attempt to enhance its usefulness, and I welcome constructive criticism about how this can be improved. I don't want to get into a fight over this! :) HenryScow ( talk) 12:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
On Canada: I have contacted Health Canada to learn if the department will pursue plain packaging of tobacco products. A project officer from the controlled substances and tobacco directorate responded, and I updated Canada's entry. My entry was reverted because the reference was unverifiable (an email from the directorate), but I ask that you maintain the revision for two reasons. First, verifiability for Health Canada's position can be made by simply contacting the department and asking them about their position on plain packaging. Second, I am enquiring about a published statement on plain packaging from the department so I can add a reference to a publication for my Wikipedia entry. I'll also add that the last (verifiable) entry that states Canada is considering plain packaging is no longer (or never was) Health Canada's intention. Is it better to have a published reference for inaccurate information, or accurate information that lacks a published reference but remains verifiable with an email or phone call? Hopefully, there will be more to follow in the next few days. Thank-you. If anyone wants to see the email from Health Canada, please let me know and I'll forward it to you, or you may contact Health Canada yourself at tcp-plt.questions@hc-sc.gc.ca Morechi ( talk) 16:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I won't oppose Canada's removal from the list. Many countries are not listed. Morechi ( talk) 17:22, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I have replaced the text that stated:
With a paragraph stating:
While I think the statement that 'it hasn't been implemented yet' is fair, the line about 'all evidence being anecdotal' is not - there is a substantial body of peer-reviewed research looking at the effect of packaging on people's intentions, plus, of course, the internal documents from the tobacco industry itself... — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryScow ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
One source, from the normally very reliable ABC ( here), but published before the legislation was actually passed, tells us that "research indicated olive green was the least attractive colour", and this is mentioned in the article. However, the legislation as passed ( here - page 21) actually requires the packs to be "drab dark brown". That's also mentioned in the article. What's missing is any explanation of why the legislation doesn't reflect the research. I don't know why. Does anybody? Could we write this better? HiLo48 ( talk) 17:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
There needs to be a section on the target race and gender.
Near or Caucasian race is only used for images.
A story of one Caucasian man is used for content.
The following package warning text has been selected as an example of how female gender is removed: "Smoking harms unborn babies" The warning on such packages does not describe passive smoking risk but it does include the text of 'pregnant women' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.112.63 ( talk) 21:58, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed there are a lot of studies and research for the products within packages.
There is also 'anti-smoking lobby groups' who claim hidden research by product manufacturers. An Open Government would publish its marketing information, and time/cost spent on research for production of packages, and would also establish a table showing the amount of research time spent on that product among others like alcohol.
A graph of donators to the ALP should be included (drug companies, medical quick quick patch industry, alcohol industry, alcohol+drug advertisement industry). I assert it would show that the lessor the amount of money donations or gifts of support to that political party from a industry or group would show an increase in warnings and research being performed with the outcome of restrictive laws being sort upon the products/tax (1st) or its users (2nd), and now the package (3rd). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.112.63 ( talk) 22:26, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Three paragraphs have been proposed with insistence by new contributor Pavich99Stanley. It does not correspond to encyclopedic information. While the existence of some opposition is a fact that is already mentioned in the article, the rest correspond to a POV, be it of one person or many. The assertion that this decision would have received considerable criticism is only the perception of the author of the paragraph, it is not a fact. Criticism about a possible domino effect is not either of encyclopedic nature; it is purely polemic. As for the paragraph on the fact that some cigarettes are counterfeited, it may be true but the link with the subject of the article is not established; this is only a claim of tobacco companies to oppose the law. The only thing that is true is the fact that the purpose of this measure is to reduce and if possible suppress tobacco sales. Ydecreux ( talk) 14:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
If I may, it seems to me that contemporary media such as the Huffington Post or The Atlantic, (both of which seem to be vocal proponents of plain packaging) chose to address concerns regarding the extent to which imagery was used and wether it crossed social boundaries for, to use their words, grotesque or otherwise inappropriate presentation. This seems to be a valid point under the pre-existing heading of "Criticism" as accuratelty reflecting a side of the debate that is otherwise largely ignored in the article. Criticism is, by nature, transient in nature and subject to change as positions are resolved or repudiated, but today these criticisms exist as demonstrated by the articles found through simple searches. Your edit summarizing critics as "Adverstisement companies, confectionary producers and consultants for the tobacco industry" dismisses questions raised by mainstream magazines or media sources. Lest I waste my time, is it your intent to immediately delete any discussion on the matter or can you suggest how I might address these issues in a manner you would find less objectionable?
I am a long longtime reader but just getting my feet wet on editing. I was at first a bit surprised to see my edit "undone" and tried to work improvements, which appear to have been in part successful as parts of my contribution are now on the page. This was a challenge for me as I am taking a Devils Adocate stance, I don't smoke (chronic asthma since childhood) and frankly would just as soon see tobacco outlawed instead of what strikes me as a, hm, well sort of deceptive "packaging" of a law if you will in that the term "plain packaging" would be spot-on if it really meant what the words mean, but I have not seen much on packaging that is actually plain but actually a majority surface (65% I believe?) covered with what would amount to "branding" of a horrific outcome. If one wants a Plain Package law, push for plain packages. If one wants a Horrific Lable law, that is another thing, at least to me. On a personal level, I can see the lawyers running with this on all sorts of things saying "if you can do it there, you can do it here." It strikes me like a big can of worms being opened. But I digress. This has taken much more time than I had intended to commit to the effort, perhaps I should start with something a bit less... well, a bit less. I will look at your suggestion of creating a warning label page but that will take a new crop of research to become more familiar with the state of the art. I am much stronger background-wise on the counterfeit side of the equation, altho largely in other industries. I did not know the resolution process, this just seemed to be the logical place to start since it would be pointless to engage in an "undo war" with somebody. I may take another crack at my thoughts on this subject but will give some time to collect and reflect. Appreciate the input.
I would suggest moving this article to Plain tobacco packaging given that such bans could also apply to other tobacco products such as cigars and loose tobacco which have similar affects on health and I think the proposed legislation in the UK and Ireland cover this. Tk420 ( talk) 10:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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I note that there is no section here about Poland. I buy most of my cigarettes in Poland (they are much cheaper than here in the UK) and for the last year or two they have been in very similar packets to the plain ones used here. I know that personal experience is no basis on which to write Wikipedia content, but there must be plenty of reliable sources on which a section could be added. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 20:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Oman is missing, however they are introducing plain packaging on April 4th, 2024: Source 2003:C1:1F23:6300:EDEE:BDFC:18BE:E638 ( talk) 07:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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The legislation actually before parliament describes the required colour of cigarette packs as "drab dark brown" rather than the olive green earlier proposed. I suspect it's because the olive growers complained that the connection gave their product a bad name.
This means that the pic is wrong. Can we find a new one? HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I have added new information to this page, on the evidence and arguments for and against plain packaging, and a link to a Cancer Research UK campaign site that contains more information. A disclosure - I work for Cancer Research UK, who are actively lobbying for plain packaging. However, I hope the information I have added to this page will be seen as an attempt to enhance its usefulness, and I welcome constructive criticism about how this can be improved. I don't want to get into a fight over this! :) HenryScow ( talk) 12:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
On Canada: I have contacted Health Canada to learn if the department will pursue plain packaging of tobacco products. A project officer from the controlled substances and tobacco directorate responded, and I updated Canada's entry. My entry was reverted because the reference was unverifiable (an email from the directorate), but I ask that you maintain the revision for two reasons. First, verifiability for Health Canada's position can be made by simply contacting the department and asking them about their position on plain packaging. Second, I am enquiring about a published statement on plain packaging from the department so I can add a reference to a publication for my Wikipedia entry. I'll also add that the last (verifiable) entry that states Canada is considering plain packaging is no longer (or never was) Health Canada's intention. Is it better to have a published reference for inaccurate information, or accurate information that lacks a published reference but remains verifiable with an email or phone call? Hopefully, there will be more to follow in the next few days. Thank-you. If anyone wants to see the email from Health Canada, please let me know and I'll forward it to you, or you may contact Health Canada yourself at tcp-plt.questions@hc-sc.gc.ca Morechi ( talk) 16:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I won't oppose Canada's removal from the list. Many countries are not listed. Morechi ( talk) 17:22, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I have replaced the text that stated:
With a paragraph stating:
While I think the statement that 'it hasn't been implemented yet' is fair, the line about 'all evidence being anecdotal' is not - there is a substantial body of peer-reviewed research looking at the effect of packaging on people's intentions, plus, of course, the internal documents from the tobacco industry itself... — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryScow ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
One source, from the normally very reliable ABC ( here), but published before the legislation was actually passed, tells us that "research indicated olive green was the least attractive colour", and this is mentioned in the article. However, the legislation as passed ( here - page 21) actually requires the packs to be "drab dark brown". That's also mentioned in the article. What's missing is any explanation of why the legislation doesn't reflect the research. I don't know why. Does anybody? Could we write this better? HiLo48 ( talk) 17:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
There needs to be a section on the target race and gender.
Near or Caucasian race is only used for images.
A story of one Caucasian man is used for content.
The following package warning text has been selected as an example of how female gender is removed: "Smoking harms unborn babies" The warning on such packages does not describe passive smoking risk but it does include the text of 'pregnant women' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.112.63 ( talk) 21:58, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed there are a lot of studies and research for the products within packages.
There is also 'anti-smoking lobby groups' who claim hidden research by product manufacturers. An Open Government would publish its marketing information, and time/cost spent on research for production of packages, and would also establish a table showing the amount of research time spent on that product among others like alcohol.
A graph of donators to the ALP should be included (drug companies, medical quick quick patch industry, alcohol industry, alcohol+drug advertisement industry). I assert it would show that the lessor the amount of money donations or gifts of support to that political party from a industry or group would show an increase in warnings and research being performed with the outcome of restrictive laws being sort upon the products/tax (1st) or its users (2nd), and now the package (3rd). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.112.63 ( talk) 22:26, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Three paragraphs have been proposed with insistence by new contributor Pavich99Stanley. It does not correspond to encyclopedic information. While the existence of some opposition is a fact that is already mentioned in the article, the rest correspond to a POV, be it of one person or many. The assertion that this decision would have received considerable criticism is only the perception of the author of the paragraph, it is not a fact. Criticism about a possible domino effect is not either of encyclopedic nature; it is purely polemic. As for the paragraph on the fact that some cigarettes are counterfeited, it may be true but the link with the subject of the article is not established; this is only a claim of tobacco companies to oppose the law. The only thing that is true is the fact that the purpose of this measure is to reduce and if possible suppress tobacco sales. Ydecreux ( talk) 14:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
If I may, it seems to me that contemporary media such as the Huffington Post or The Atlantic, (both of which seem to be vocal proponents of plain packaging) chose to address concerns regarding the extent to which imagery was used and wether it crossed social boundaries for, to use their words, grotesque or otherwise inappropriate presentation. This seems to be a valid point under the pre-existing heading of "Criticism" as accuratelty reflecting a side of the debate that is otherwise largely ignored in the article. Criticism is, by nature, transient in nature and subject to change as positions are resolved or repudiated, but today these criticisms exist as demonstrated by the articles found through simple searches. Your edit summarizing critics as "Adverstisement companies, confectionary producers and consultants for the tobacco industry" dismisses questions raised by mainstream magazines or media sources. Lest I waste my time, is it your intent to immediately delete any discussion on the matter or can you suggest how I might address these issues in a manner you would find less objectionable?
I am a long longtime reader but just getting my feet wet on editing. I was at first a bit surprised to see my edit "undone" and tried to work improvements, which appear to have been in part successful as parts of my contribution are now on the page. This was a challenge for me as I am taking a Devils Adocate stance, I don't smoke (chronic asthma since childhood) and frankly would just as soon see tobacco outlawed instead of what strikes me as a, hm, well sort of deceptive "packaging" of a law if you will in that the term "plain packaging" would be spot-on if it really meant what the words mean, but I have not seen much on packaging that is actually plain but actually a majority surface (65% I believe?) covered with what would amount to "branding" of a horrific outcome. If one wants a Plain Package law, push for plain packages. If one wants a Horrific Lable law, that is another thing, at least to me. On a personal level, I can see the lawyers running with this on all sorts of things saying "if you can do it there, you can do it here." It strikes me like a big can of worms being opened. But I digress. This has taken much more time than I had intended to commit to the effort, perhaps I should start with something a bit less... well, a bit less. I will look at your suggestion of creating a warning label page but that will take a new crop of research to become more familiar with the state of the art. I am much stronger background-wise on the counterfeit side of the equation, altho largely in other industries. I did not know the resolution process, this just seemed to be the logical place to start since it would be pointless to engage in an "undo war" with somebody. I may take another crack at my thoughts on this subject but will give some time to collect and reflect. Appreciate the input.
I would suggest moving this article to Plain tobacco packaging given that such bans could also apply to other tobacco products such as cigars and loose tobacco which have similar affects on health and I think the proposed legislation in the UK and Ireland cover this. Tk420 ( talk) 10:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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I note that there is no section here about Poland. I buy most of my cigarettes in Poland (they are much cheaper than here in the UK) and for the last year or two they have been in very similar packets to the plain ones used here. I know that personal experience is no basis on which to write Wikipedia content, but there must be plenty of reliable sources on which a section could be added. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 20:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Oman is missing, however they are introducing plain packaging on April 4th, 2024: Source 2003:C1:1F23:6300:EDEE:BDFC:18BE:E638 ( talk) 07:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)