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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2022 and 12 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ageclap ( article contribs).
Page about a work like this could use it, I should think.
Beginning thoughts about how to add to the page's description section: the scherzo's somewhat rondo-like form with two different trios- typical for Schumann; the quotation of one of those trios in the finale (I'll have to check but I'm fairly sure of that part...), and some more about the finale's overall shape; the form of the funeral march (and the march's history in particular could be given at greater length).
Also, maybe some images of main themes of each movement?
(And was Leipzigerisch a reference to Bach or to the conservatives who inhabited Leipzig in Liszt's day, especially after Mendelssohn, though at the time he spoke poorly of Mendelssohn too- which precipitated the worst of that argument, according to Alan Walker's account? Liszt spent quite a bit of time on Bach's music, and seems to have thought quite well of it.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 17:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
MCoverdale has revised the article to say that the piano quintet was a well-established form by the time Schumann wrote his. According to the source quoted in the article, Schumann was the first to use this form.
MCoverdale, can you please add a source for your contention? Thanks. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 16:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The article now says that "Prior to Schumann, piano quintets were ordinarily composed for keyboard, violin, viola, cello, and doublebass, with the latter providing basso continuo rather than being an independent voice." I think this is not quite right. First of all, Schubert's and Hummel's quintets were the only ones in this form - Schubert's patron, Sylvester Paumgartner, commissioned the work because he was so taken with Hummel's unique instrumentation. Second, in Schubert's quintet, the double bass is not a mere basso continuo - on the contrary, it has a number of important solos, the most notable being in the variation movement.
If you agree, we should probably fix it. Ravpapa ( talk) 13:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm given to understand that the 1829 piano quartet I cited as an example of a (possibly the only) chamber work by Schumann completed before 1841 may not be right; it may not have been completed by Schumann after all but rather reconstructed by Böttcher for Heinrichs. Verlag publication in 1979... don't know, though. Schissel | Sound the Note! 19:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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An anonymous editor has twice removed the word "funeral march" from the description of the slow movement. He has justified this by saying that the tempo marking on the movement only mentions "marcia" and does not mention funeral. However, the form is unquestionably that of a Funeral March and not of, for example, a military march, and it is universally referred to in the literature as a funeral march. When I restored the term funeral march to the article, I added a reference, but the anonymous editor removed it again. I do not want to edit war with this editor, so I am referring to the hive mind to adjudicate the matter. I will abstain from editing for a few days while responses gather here like bees to a honeypot.
-- Ravpapa ( talk) 13:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 06:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Ageclap and I will be revising this article as part of my class on chamber music literature this spring. So far I will just be adding new information that I find and maybe editing stuff that I find with you all of course. I look forward to your feedback on my revisions! Ageclap ( talk) 05:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2022 and 12 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ageclap ( article contribs).
Page about a work like this could use it, I should think.
Beginning thoughts about how to add to the page's description section: the scherzo's somewhat rondo-like form with two different trios- typical for Schumann; the quotation of one of those trios in the finale (I'll have to check but I'm fairly sure of that part...), and some more about the finale's overall shape; the form of the funeral march (and the march's history in particular could be given at greater length).
Also, maybe some images of main themes of each movement?
(And was Leipzigerisch a reference to Bach or to the conservatives who inhabited Leipzig in Liszt's day, especially after Mendelssohn, though at the time he spoke poorly of Mendelssohn too- which precipitated the worst of that argument, according to Alan Walker's account? Liszt spent quite a bit of time on Bach's music, and seems to have thought quite well of it.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 17:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
MCoverdale has revised the article to say that the piano quintet was a well-established form by the time Schumann wrote his. According to the source quoted in the article, Schumann was the first to use this form.
MCoverdale, can you please add a source for your contention? Thanks. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 16:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The article now says that "Prior to Schumann, piano quintets were ordinarily composed for keyboard, violin, viola, cello, and doublebass, with the latter providing basso continuo rather than being an independent voice." I think this is not quite right. First of all, Schubert's and Hummel's quintets were the only ones in this form - Schubert's patron, Sylvester Paumgartner, commissioned the work because he was so taken with Hummel's unique instrumentation. Second, in Schubert's quintet, the double bass is not a mere basso continuo - on the contrary, it has a number of important solos, the most notable being in the variation movement.
If you agree, we should probably fix it. Ravpapa ( talk) 13:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm given to understand that the 1829 piano quartet I cited as an example of a (possibly the only) chamber work by Schumann completed before 1841 may not be right; it may not have been completed by Schumann after all but rather reconstructed by Böttcher for Heinrichs. Verlag publication in 1979... don't know, though. Schissel | Sound the Note! 19:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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An anonymous editor has twice removed the word "funeral march" from the description of the slow movement. He has justified this by saying that the tempo marking on the movement only mentions "marcia" and does not mention funeral. However, the form is unquestionably that of a Funeral March and not of, for example, a military march, and it is universally referred to in the literature as a funeral march. When I restored the term funeral march to the article, I added a reference, but the anonymous editor removed it again. I do not want to edit war with this editor, so I am referring to the hive mind to adjudicate the matter. I will abstain from editing for a few days while responses gather here like bees to a honeypot.
-- Ravpapa ( talk) 13:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 06:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Ageclap and I will be revising this article as part of my class on chamber music literature this spring. So far I will just be adding new information that I find and maybe editing stuff that I find with you all of course. I look forward to your feedback on my revisions! Ageclap ( talk) 05:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)