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This is not correct. The firestorm of controversy had to do with Arnett saying that his reports to the United States were helping to strengthen opposition to the war. -- Zoe
-- Zoe
Is Wikipedia a newspaper, a magazine of current affairs, a soapbox, or is it an encyclopedia? The current article on Peter Arnett looks entirely like a Sunday supplement article in an American newspaper. The single interview held recently is devoted a majority of the space, whereas the reason Peter Arnett became a household name by reporting directly from Baghdad during the first Gulf War is not mentioned at all? Please stop this nonsense, and cut the interview bit down to a couple of sentences. -- Egil 06:43 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)
This ought to be moved to operation tailwind since it doesn't have to do with Peter Arnett. Also this paragraph makes this sound rather conspiratorial.
It seems to me that Operation Tailwind is underemphasized in this article, considering the pivotal effect it had on his career. - Joseph 17:07, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)
The article as it stands is very strong POV, The "The Baby Milk Factory Controversy" and other criticisms constitutes 80 to 90% of the article. That is certainly not WP:NPOV. I'll try to find a good tag that describes the situation. -- Egil 19:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi I've just read the article and I think that when the matter of censorship is in question no censorship should be exercised. I cant see any opinionation, point of view or bias here. -barf
There's a clear point-of-view being expressed in the caption to the reconnaissance images of the disputed factory. It's labelled "The Iraqi baby milk factory, camouflaged on the right" - either I don't understand what is meant by camouflage in this instance, or they're claiming the speckle on the roof in the later shot is camouflage, whereas it's blatantly vegetation - weeds (you can see it's started to grow in the earlier shot, and it decreases in density along the length of one roof in the later shot. I would suggest that this needs to be re-labelled - if the US Military claimed it to be camouflage, attribute it as such. I would do it myself, but have no knowledge of where the camouflage claim came from and wouldn't want to mis-attribute - have instead added 'citation needed' tags. AndyI 13:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or perhaps there is a consensus on the discussion page, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 22:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source for the exact phrasing of this quote? In Vietnam War (as well as Opposition to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War) it's written "it was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it", and in this article it's written "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." Not by itself a very important point, but it highlight the lack of good references and looks rather unprofessional if one (as I did) read the articles one after the other. MMad 23:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
MMad,
His own reference to the quote can be found here ( http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12795678&method=full), in an article which he wrote for the Daily Mirror on 1 April 2003, "This War is Not Working".
[During the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, I entered a US-held town which had been totally destroyed. The Viet Cong had taken over and were threatening the commander's building so he called down an artillery strike which killed many of his own men. The Major with us asked: "How could this happen?" A soldier replied: "Sir, we had to destroy the town to save it."]
I found a web page that made the following claim: "...the story was first printed in The New York Times on 8th February 1968. The wording was 'To save the town, it became necessary to destroy it' and, yes, it was an unnamed major who was credited..." I haven't verified this information, but I'm familiar with the alternate wording used here. I found it here at snopes.com -- MiguelMunoz 21:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I question the neutrality of the accusation that this quote was fabricated. First of all, the two people who call it a fabrication, Victor Davis Hanson and Mona Charen, are both hawks who disagree with the quote's sentiment. Also, I believe the quote came out of the Tet offensive, and while I don't have a reliable source yet, my understanding is that the village in question, Ben Tre, was caught between Viet Cong forces and US forces, and probably received damage from both sides. The claim that it was destroyed by the Viet Cong ("hostile Vietnamese forces") is highly suspect. They were unlikely to destroy a village of their own people. They were also far more popular in South Vietnam than the US Military. Even the phrase "hostile Vietnamese forces" is biased. -- MiguelMunoz 22:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article also doesn't mention the fact that many people feel that Peter Arnett is a leftist subversive traitor. 70.216.193.49 06:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is also wrong in calling Arnett a "journalist" several times. He was really an ideologue, like many others, who pretended to practice journalism. How many veterans, who were in SE Asia, considered him a journalist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.20.187 ( talk) 22:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Article incorrectly states that "In March 1997, Arnett was able to interview Osama bin Laden, as the first Western journalist to do so." The British Journalist Robert Fisk interviewed him in 1993, so clearly Arnett was not the first. He might have been the first do so on TV (Fisk is a newspaperman). I will delete "as the first Western journalist to do so." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk#9.2F11.2C_Osama_bin_Laden.2C_and_the_war_in_Afghanistan Jalipa 84.153.71.250 21:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe Peter's girlfriend's name is in his infobox! First, is this notable? Second is it referenced? ThreeE 02:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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I've removed that category. His career has had its share of controversy, especially Operation Tailwind, for which he was reprimanded but not fired. This category is for people whose entire lives have been defined and overshadowed by major scandal, who are synonymous with scandal, like Stephen Glass and Sabrina Erdely. Note that the lead to this article, correctly, makes no reference to any scandals. Please don't revert this further, as per WP:BLP that category is contentious and there should be a clear consensus if it is to be in this article. Coretheapple ( talk) 17:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that this article should not be in Category:Journalistic scandals per WP:BLPCAT.
Should this article be in the "Journalism scandals" category? Coretheapple ( talk) 21:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
IMDb is not an RS per Wiki MOS - use only as External link. Parkwells ( talk) 16:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
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This is not correct. The firestorm of controversy had to do with Arnett saying that his reports to the United States were helping to strengthen opposition to the war. -- Zoe
-- Zoe
Is Wikipedia a newspaper, a magazine of current affairs, a soapbox, or is it an encyclopedia? The current article on Peter Arnett looks entirely like a Sunday supplement article in an American newspaper. The single interview held recently is devoted a majority of the space, whereas the reason Peter Arnett became a household name by reporting directly from Baghdad during the first Gulf War is not mentioned at all? Please stop this nonsense, and cut the interview bit down to a couple of sentences. -- Egil 06:43 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)
This ought to be moved to operation tailwind since it doesn't have to do with Peter Arnett. Also this paragraph makes this sound rather conspiratorial.
It seems to me that Operation Tailwind is underemphasized in this article, considering the pivotal effect it had on his career. - Joseph 17:07, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)
The article as it stands is very strong POV, The "The Baby Milk Factory Controversy" and other criticisms constitutes 80 to 90% of the article. That is certainly not WP:NPOV. I'll try to find a good tag that describes the situation. -- Egil 19:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi I've just read the article and I think that when the matter of censorship is in question no censorship should be exercised. I cant see any opinionation, point of view or bias here. -barf
There's a clear point-of-view being expressed in the caption to the reconnaissance images of the disputed factory. It's labelled "The Iraqi baby milk factory, camouflaged on the right" - either I don't understand what is meant by camouflage in this instance, or they're claiming the speckle on the roof in the later shot is camouflage, whereas it's blatantly vegetation - weeds (you can see it's started to grow in the earlier shot, and it decreases in density along the length of one roof in the later shot. I would suggest that this needs to be re-labelled - if the US Military claimed it to be camouflage, attribute it as such. I would do it myself, but have no knowledge of where the camouflage claim came from and wouldn't want to mis-attribute - have instead added 'citation needed' tags. AndyI 13:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or perhaps there is a consensus on the discussion page, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 22:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source for the exact phrasing of this quote? In Vietnam War (as well as Opposition to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War) it's written "it was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it", and in this article it's written "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." Not by itself a very important point, but it highlight the lack of good references and looks rather unprofessional if one (as I did) read the articles one after the other. MMad 23:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
MMad,
His own reference to the quote can be found here ( http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12795678&method=full), in an article which he wrote for the Daily Mirror on 1 April 2003, "This War is Not Working".
[During the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, I entered a US-held town which had been totally destroyed. The Viet Cong had taken over and were threatening the commander's building so he called down an artillery strike which killed many of his own men. The Major with us asked: "How could this happen?" A soldier replied: "Sir, we had to destroy the town to save it."]
I found a web page that made the following claim: "...the story was first printed in The New York Times on 8th February 1968. The wording was 'To save the town, it became necessary to destroy it' and, yes, it was an unnamed major who was credited..." I haven't verified this information, but I'm familiar with the alternate wording used here. I found it here at snopes.com -- MiguelMunoz 21:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I question the neutrality of the accusation that this quote was fabricated. First of all, the two people who call it a fabrication, Victor Davis Hanson and Mona Charen, are both hawks who disagree with the quote's sentiment. Also, I believe the quote came out of the Tet offensive, and while I don't have a reliable source yet, my understanding is that the village in question, Ben Tre, was caught between Viet Cong forces and US forces, and probably received damage from both sides. The claim that it was destroyed by the Viet Cong ("hostile Vietnamese forces") is highly suspect. They were unlikely to destroy a village of their own people. They were also far more popular in South Vietnam than the US Military. Even the phrase "hostile Vietnamese forces" is biased. -- MiguelMunoz 22:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article also doesn't mention the fact that many people feel that Peter Arnett is a leftist subversive traitor. 70.216.193.49 06:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is also wrong in calling Arnett a "journalist" several times. He was really an ideologue, like many others, who pretended to practice journalism. How many veterans, who were in SE Asia, considered him a journalist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.20.187 ( talk) 22:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Article incorrectly states that "In March 1997, Arnett was able to interview Osama bin Laden, as the first Western journalist to do so." The British Journalist Robert Fisk interviewed him in 1993, so clearly Arnett was not the first. He might have been the first do so on TV (Fisk is a newspaperman). I will delete "as the first Western journalist to do so." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk#9.2F11.2C_Osama_bin_Laden.2C_and_the_war_in_Afghanistan Jalipa 84.153.71.250 21:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe Peter's girlfriend's name is in his infobox! First, is this notable? Second is it referenced? ThreeE 02:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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I've removed that category. His career has had its share of controversy, especially Operation Tailwind, for which he was reprimanded but not fired. This category is for people whose entire lives have been defined and overshadowed by major scandal, who are synonymous with scandal, like Stephen Glass and Sabrina Erdely. Note that the lead to this article, correctly, makes no reference to any scandals. Please don't revert this further, as per WP:BLP that category is contentious and there should be a clear consensus if it is to be in this article. Coretheapple ( talk) 17:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that this article should not be in Category:Journalistic scandals per WP:BLPCAT.
Should this article be in the "Journalism scandals" category? Coretheapple ( talk) 21:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
IMDb is not an RS per Wiki MOS - use only as External link. Parkwells ( talk) 16:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)