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Michaels has published an [1] open letter in Forbes magazine, to the director of NCAR regarding an email from Tom Wigley, which alleges that Michaels Ph.D. work was defective Here is part of Michaels' letter:
Michaels includes the text of Wigly's email, released recently in Climategate 2. It seems to me that mention of this should be made in Michael's bio. -- Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi PackMecEng The suggestion for stronger sourcing on this term seems very reasonable, and I see my error on the Huffpost source. However, I'd like to clarify your edit summary. It's unclear to me that Nuccitelli is a contributor. The RSP entry says to look for a "blogpost" tag on the article, which the Guardian article doesn't have, and doesn't mention anything about contributors. Is there something I am missing? Jlevi ( talk) 00:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
climate blogger for The Guardian. Also other writers for the Guardian in Climate change list if they are, for example this but they did not list him working for them on his about page. PackMecEng ( talk) 00:56, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Peter Gulutzan, thank you for your comments. For the purposes of improving the article, I had questions about revisions. In undoing revisions, you stated that the "Cited source doesn't suggest something was hidden and later discovered". The cited source ( http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Pubdeb/O%27Donnell.pdf) states the following on Hansen's account: "When Pat Michaels testified to Congress in 1998 and showed our 1988 predictions, he erased the curves for scenarios B and C, and showed the result only for Scenario A. He then argued that, since the real world temperature had not increased as fast as this model calculation, the climate model was faulty and there was no basis for concern abut climate change". Since Michaels erased scenarios B and C, at the time of his presentation, the members of Congress to whom he was testifying were not aware of these scenarios; thus, it was only with later testimony and clarification that it was revealed this was the case to the members of Congress. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise? Another matter of clarification: I am unsure what you mean by "nothing encyclopedic seems to have happened". To be encyclopedic is to be comprehensive in terms of information. Was the entry not sufficiently sourced, or was it too short? Additionally, is it not appropriate to put Michaels's testimony before the House of Representatives under the Advocacy section? If not, may I ask why? Thank you. SrirachaLimes ( talk) 21:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Michaels grossly misrepresented Hansen's global warming projections from 10 years earlier, claiming:
"Ground based temperatures from the IPCC show a rise of 0.11 °C, or more than four times less than Hansen predicted.... The forecast made in 1988 was an astounding failure."
... In the graphic he presented to Congress to illustrate Hansen's 1988 global warming projectings, Michaels presented only Hansen's Scenario A, even though this was the scenario furthest from reality. The global temperature change from 1988 to 1998 was very close to the Scenario B projection. Not coincidentally, Scenarios B and C were also the most representative of actual emissions and the global energy imbalance. By erasing the most accurate scenarios in Hansen's study and presenting the least representative as his "prediction," Michaels committed borderline perjury and certainly misinformed our policymakers in the process.
not an independent uninvolved source") is just another example of the same standard method. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Michaels has published an [1] open letter in Forbes magazine, to the director of NCAR regarding an email from Tom Wigley, which alleges that Michaels Ph.D. work was defective Here is part of Michaels' letter:
Michaels includes the text of Wigly's email, released recently in Climategate 2. It seems to me that mention of this should be made in Michael's bio. -- Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi PackMecEng The suggestion for stronger sourcing on this term seems very reasonable, and I see my error on the Huffpost source. However, I'd like to clarify your edit summary. It's unclear to me that Nuccitelli is a contributor. The RSP entry says to look for a "blogpost" tag on the article, which the Guardian article doesn't have, and doesn't mention anything about contributors. Is there something I am missing? Jlevi ( talk) 00:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
climate blogger for The Guardian. Also other writers for the Guardian in Climate change list if they are, for example this but they did not list him working for them on his about page. PackMecEng ( talk) 00:56, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Peter Gulutzan, thank you for your comments. For the purposes of improving the article, I had questions about revisions. In undoing revisions, you stated that the "Cited source doesn't suggest something was hidden and later discovered". The cited source ( http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Pubdeb/O%27Donnell.pdf) states the following on Hansen's account: "When Pat Michaels testified to Congress in 1998 and showed our 1988 predictions, he erased the curves for scenarios B and C, and showed the result only for Scenario A. He then argued that, since the real world temperature had not increased as fast as this model calculation, the climate model was faulty and there was no basis for concern abut climate change". Since Michaels erased scenarios B and C, at the time of his presentation, the members of Congress to whom he was testifying were not aware of these scenarios; thus, it was only with later testimony and clarification that it was revealed this was the case to the members of Congress. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise? Another matter of clarification: I am unsure what you mean by "nothing encyclopedic seems to have happened". To be encyclopedic is to be comprehensive in terms of information. Was the entry not sufficiently sourced, or was it too short? Additionally, is it not appropriate to put Michaels's testimony before the House of Representatives under the Advocacy section? If not, may I ask why? Thank you. SrirachaLimes ( talk) 21:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Michaels grossly misrepresented Hansen's global warming projections from 10 years earlier, claiming:
"Ground based temperatures from the IPCC show a rise of 0.11 °C, or more than four times less than Hansen predicted.... The forecast made in 1988 was an astounding failure."
... In the graphic he presented to Congress to illustrate Hansen's 1988 global warming projectings, Michaels presented only Hansen's Scenario A, even though this was the scenario furthest from reality. The global temperature change from 1988 to 1998 was very close to the Scenario B projection. Not coincidentally, Scenarios B and C were also the most representative of actual emissions and the global energy imbalance. By erasing the most accurate scenarios in Hansen's study and presenting the least representative as his "prediction," Michaels committed borderline perjury and certainly misinformed our policymakers in the process.
not an independent uninvolved source") is just another example of the same standard method. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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