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I have a copy of the article, and I will post a quote from it sometime later this week. Wjhonson 16:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
According to writer E. Graydon Carter in Time magazine on 7 December 1981, Pat Nixon's official WH portrait was completed in 1978 by Henriette Wyeth Hurd; it was not hung in the White House until 1981, because PN reportedly didn't want it hung until her husband's was completed and the paintings could be hung at the same time. Mowens35 19:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Where does Patricia come from? Pat was a nickname, not a shortened version of her real name. For that matter, shouldn't her real name, Thelma Catherine Ryan, be included in the opening sentence? MK2 21:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe that may be a mistake. Pat is a common familiar form of Thelma. I know it makes no sense, but there ya go. We propably need a good source on her name being "Patricia" because it may not be true. Wjhonson 16:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
What's the correct spelling of "Catherine" in her name...we have 2 versions in article. BostonRed 20:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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Would be good to find another, more distanced biography to enhance the article. A beloved and protective daughter's reminiscences cannot be relied upon entirely, however well-reviewed the book. Kitchawan 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The link to the First Ladies Library states that Pat Nixon was pro-choice; however, the only verifiable comment I can find from her is decidedly mixed, even nervous, and was said during a news conference at the White House in 1972. Can anyone find a verifiable pro-choice comment for her? Because if it's the comment cited in the UPI report published in the New York Times, she only said, "I'm really not for abortion. It is a personal thing". Which isn't exactly the same thing as a pro-choice statement. Kitchawan 20:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Pat Nixon was NOT succeeded by Lady Bird Johnson as First Lady. She was succeeded by Betty Ford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.51.51 ( talk) 17:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Several Times you have cited that Pat Nixon was the first First Lady to visit a combat zone. My source is http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/dc/dc001.html. Toward the end of this web site it states "On July 12, 1864, President Abraham Lincoln went out to Fort Stevens with his wife and other officers and stood on the parapet...." If this website is true, then Pat Nixon was not the first First Lady to visit a combat zone. Mary Todd Lincoln was the first First Lady in 1864. Pat Nixon may have been the second or third. I am also looking for hard evidence that First Lady, Dolly Payne Madison was also at a combat zone but have only found accounts of how she removed Paintings and documents from the White House before the British Troops arrived. Dolley Payne Madison was never in a combat zone but Mary Todd Lincoln was according to some accounts. There was no Press with cameras during the Civil War unlike the Vietnam War to record such an event but that does not diminish the fact that the Siege of Fort Stevens was a combat zone. User:Squirrel06 -- Squirrel06 ( talk) 14:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 06:48 31 January 2008
On Pat's page, it says that she is the 1st first lady to hold a graduate degree. On Hillary CLinton's page, it says that she is the 1st first lady to hold a graduate degree. Why the inconsistency? Which one is it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sopm ( talk • contribs) 02:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, here's what I've found:
So what do we have? It seems to me she did undergraduate work in teaching, in addition to the undergrad work she did in merchandising. But USC gave her this Special Credential to also reflect the considerable work experience she already had. Did they really consider it the equivalent of a master's, or was that Pat's own assessment of it on her application forms? I wouldn't blame her if the latter, talk about someone who'd been through the School of Hard Knocks ... but assuming that USC really did consider it an equivalent, it's still seems true that she never entered a master's level program. Therefore in terms of who is the first First Lady with a post-graduate degree, I still think it's Hillary.
I just removed this line:
Whose power? Does this mean "the power of her husband's staff"? If so, why would that cause him to be more removed? If anyone can rephrase this so it's grammatically correct please do - I can't because I don't know what it's trying to say. Tempshill ( talk) 20:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should use the vector image in place of the raster. Honestly, the raster image has severe quality issues, I believe should be replaced. Both are nearly identical, why should it be a big deal? Connormah ( talk) 16:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I've loaded a new SVG (shown above right; previous comments refer to the older version). If you feel this is better than the .jpg, please edit the article to show the .svg at an appropriate size. If not then I will understand the case for preferring an actual picture, however blurred, to an artist's impression. Certes ( talk) 10:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I think this looks vacuous and patronizing. We should refer to her as Nixon, Pat Nixon, or she, whichever causes the least ambiguity. Calling her by her first name makes the article sound like it was written by a teenage girl. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies appears to back me up. -- John ( talk) 08:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Pat Nixon was not an economist, as is listed under "Profession." Neither by academic training nor by vocation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushollister ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The link from 'Winterthur' (where police were trained as tour guides on Mrs Nixon's instructions) should surely have gone to the museum in Winterthur, Delaware, but instead it goes to the city of Winterthur in Switzerland - which admittedly has plenty of museums, but I can't believe she sent US police all the way over there! Of course you can find the correct article on the disambiguation page, but perhaps someone with the necessary editing skills can fix this so the link goes straight to the right place. This is a terribly common kind of error on Wikipedia - as if the software simply selects the first name on the disambiguation list (which in this case is the Swiss city). Is there some way to alter the central editing function so that people are made aware of the available alternatives before creating a link? 92.111.250.34 ( talk) 14:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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Here is a 2016 Time article By her granddaughter. I hope this is useful -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
From what I understand from the manual of style, the title should be capitalized when standing alone and unmodified. In the first sentence, the word "the" precedes it, so it's not capitalized. But "served as" in the next sentence seems to point to the title itself, i.e., "Second Lady..." should be capitalized. I could easily have this wrong, and these titles have been changed back and forth in so many articles that I don't want to start mucking it up further. Anyone have a clear idea about this? - Special-T ( talk) 15:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I just re-checked the manual of style and changed these to caps (& took out "the"). - Special-T ( talk) 22:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Should her name in the infobox be "Pat Nixon"? Her name was never "Patricia"—she was always (AFAIK) referred to by her childhood nickname of "Pat". - Special-T ( talk) 15:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Alansohn, you should remove those three from cats I originally removed because Nixon's only association was that she just lived there. Being from does mean born and raised there. How can her living in New Jersey and the Upper West Side classify that she's from these places? That's like saying you're from D.C. because you moved there from your original home town. That does not mean the person from D.C. originally or grew up there during an early or significant portion of one's life. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 17:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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I have a copy of the article, and I will post a quote from it sometime later this week. Wjhonson 16:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
According to writer E. Graydon Carter in Time magazine on 7 December 1981, Pat Nixon's official WH portrait was completed in 1978 by Henriette Wyeth Hurd; it was not hung in the White House until 1981, because PN reportedly didn't want it hung until her husband's was completed and the paintings could be hung at the same time. Mowens35 19:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Where does Patricia come from? Pat was a nickname, not a shortened version of her real name. For that matter, shouldn't her real name, Thelma Catherine Ryan, be included in the opening sentence? MK2 21:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe that may be a mistake. Pat is a common familiar form of Thelma. I know it makes no sense, but there ya go. We propably need a good source on her name being "Patricia" because it may not be true. Wjhonson 16:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
What's the correct spelling of "Catherine" in her name...we have 2 versions in article. BostonRed 20:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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In the absence of further discussion, I am going to promote this article as a Good Article based on my review of the criteria. Argos' Dad 00:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Would be good to find another, more distanced biography to enhance the article. A beloved and protective daughter's reminiscences cannot be relied upon entirely, however well-reviewed the book. Kitchawan 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The link to the First Ladies Library states that Pat Nixon was pro-choice; however, the only verifiable comment I can find from her is decidedly mixed, even nervous, and was said during a news conference at the White House in 1972. Can anyone find a verifiable pro-choice comment for her? Because if it's the comment cited in the UPI report published in the New York Times, she only said, "I'm really not for abortion. It is a personal thing". Which isn't exactly the same thing as a pro-choice statement. Kitchawan 20:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Pat Nixon was NOT succeeded by Lady Bird Johnson as First Lady. She was succeeded by Betty Ford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.51.51 ( talk) 17:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Several Times you have cited that Pat Nixon was the first First Lady to visit a combat zone. My source is http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/dc/dc001.html. Toward the end of this web site it states "On July 12, 1864, President Abraham Lincoln went out to Fort Stevens with his wife and other officers and stood on the parapet...." If this website is true, then Pat Nixon was not the first First Lady to visit a combat zone. Mary Todd Lincoln was the first First Lady in 1864. Pat Nixon may have been the second or third. I am also looking for hard evidence that First Lady, Dolly Payne Madison was also at a combat zone but have only found accounts of how she removed Paintings and documents from the White House before the British Troops arrived. Dolley Payne Madison was never in a combat zone but Mary Todd Lincoln was according to some accounts. There was no Press with cameras during the Civil War unlike the Vietnam War to record such an event but that does not diminish the fact that the Siege of Fort Stevens was a combat zone. User:Squirrel06 -- Squirrel06 ( talk) 14:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 06:48 31 January 2008
On Pat's page, it says that she is the 1st first lady to hold a graduate degree. On Hillary CLinton's page, it says that she is the 1st first lady to hold a graduate degree. Why the inconsistency? Which one is it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sopm ( talk • contribs) 02:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, here's what I've found:
So what do we have? It seems to me she did undergraduate work in teaching, in addition to the undergrad work she did in merchandising. But USC gave her this Special Credential to also reflect the considerable work experience she already had. Did they really consider it the equivalent of a master's, or was that Pat's own assessment of it on her application forms? I wouldn't blame her if the latter, talk about someone who'd been through the School of Hard Knocks ... but assuming that USC really did consider it an equivalent, it's still seems true that she never entered a master's level program. Therefore in terms of who is the first First Lady with a post-graduate degree, I still think it's Hillary.
I just removed this line:
Whose power? Does this mean "the power of her husband's staff"? If so, why would that cause him to be more removed? If anyone can rephrase this so it's grammatically correct please do - I can't because I don't know what it's trying to say. Tempshill ( talk) 20:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should use the vector image in place of the raster. Honestly, the raster image has severe quality issues, I believe should be replaced. Both are nearly identical, why should it be a big deal? Connormah ( talk) 16:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I've loaded a new SVG (shown above right; previous comments refer to the older version). If you feel this is better than the .jpg, please edit the article to show the .svg at an appropriate size. If not then I will understand the case for preferring an actual picture, however blurred, to an artist's impression. Certes ( talk) 10:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I think this looks vacuous and patronizing. We should refer to her as Nixon, Pat Nixon, or she, whichever causes the least ambiguity. Calling her by her first name makes the article sound like it was written by a teenage girl. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies appears to back me up. -- John ( talk) 08:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Pat Nixon was not an economist, as is listed under "Profession." Neither by academic training nor by vocation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushollister ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The link from 'Winterthur' (where police were trained as tour guides on Mrs Nixon's instructions) should surely have gone to the museum in Winterthur, Delaware, but instead it goes to the city of Winterthur in Switzerland - which admittedly has plenty of museums, but I can't believe she sent US police all the way over there! Of course you can find the correct article on the disambiguation page, but perhaps someone with the necessary editing skills can fix this so the link goes straight to the right place. This is a terribly common kind of error on Wikipedia - as if the software simply selects the first name on the disambiguation list (which in this case is the Swiss city). Is there some way to alter the central editing function so that people are made aware of the available alternatives before creating a link? 92.111.250.34 ( talk) 14:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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Here is a 2016 Time article By her granddaughter. I hope this is useful -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
From what I understand from the manual of style, the title should be capitalized when standing alone and unmodified. In the first sentence, the word "the" precedes it, so it's not capitalized. But "served as" in the next sentence seems to point to the title itself, i.e., "Second Lady..." should be capitalized. I could easily have this wrong, and these titles have been changed back and forth in so many articles that I don't want to start mucking it up further. Anyone have a clear idea about this? - Special-T ( talk) 15:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I just re-checked the manual of style and changed these to caps (& took out "the"). - Special-T ( talk) 22:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Should her name in the infobox be "Pat Nixon"? Her name was never "Patricia"—she was always (AFAIK) referred to by her childhood nickname of "Pat". - Special-T ( talk) 15:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Alansohn, you should remove those three from cats I originally removed because Nixon's only association was that she just lived there. Being from does mean born and raised there. How can her living in New Jersey and the Upper West Side classify that she's from these places? That's like saying you're from D.C. because you moved there from your original home town. That does not mean the person from D.C. originally or grew up there during an early or significant portion of one's life. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 17:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)