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I removed these from further reading as this is English wikipedia, but there's no reason these can't be used as historical sources, so I'm putting them here for future use. Skyerise ( talk) 17:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
The definition of spagyric is 'pertaining to or resembling alchemy; alchemic'. Even in more modern definitions which take into account recent usage, 'spagyric extraction' is simply defined as a method of producing a more complete extract including the mineral salts. None of this is pseudoscience.
The use of these extracts in paraherbalism is where the pseudoscience comes in. We have a whole article on herbal medicine, which is not considered pseudoscience and is not categorized as such. So, the process and the extracts themselves are in no way pseudoscience, only subsequent use as a medicine under the belief that a "more complete" extract including the mineral salts may be more effective than the result of a process which isolates and extracts specific chosen compounds. And yet a spagyric extract has those same compounds and to the extent that it does there is no evidence that the additional material impedes the effectiveness of a dose with an equivalent amount of the chosen compound, just as there is no evidence that the additional components amplify the effectiveness.
Anyway, the pseudoscience involved here is paraherbalism, not the extraction theories or methods. The article should make that clear by noting that it is the paraherbal use of the resulting extract which is pseudoscience, not the al/chemical theories or processes involved. Skyerise ( talk) 22:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Paracelsus believed that powerful medicines could be prepared even from poisonous substances using chymical means of separation, which he called Scheidung in his native German. Processes including distillation, sublimation, putrefaction, and solution could be used to divide a naturally occurring substance into its three primordial principles of Mercury, Sulfur, and Salt. He considered these three the useful and beneficial parts, and believed that their separation left behind the toxic “dregs” of the substance. Once purified, the tria prima could be recombined to yield an “exalted” form of the original substance, free from impurities and toxicity, and thus enabled to operate more powerfully and beneficially as a medicine. Always fond of inventing words, Paracelsus gave this process of separation and reintegration the name spagyria. The term has been explained as meaning “to separate and (re)combine,” from the Greek words span and ageirein, meaning “to draw out” and “to bring together.”
Principe, Lawrence M. (2013). The Secrets of Alchemy. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. pp. 128–129. ISBN 978-0226103792.
yield an “exalted” form of the original substance, free from impurities and toxicity, and thus enabled to operate more powerfully and beneficially as a medicine.There's no doubt at all that people like Jean Dubuis and Frater Albertus, who still claim in the 20th century that this method is effective, are engaging in pseudoscience. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 23:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Anyone knows how to write it or to add to the article. Please do.
Spagyrics: The Alchemical Preparation of Medicinal Essences, Tinctures, and Elixirs Book by Manfred Junius
Publisher : Healing Arts Press; 3rd Edition, New Edition of The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy (Feb. 16 2007) ISBN-10 : 1594771790 ISBN-13 : 978-1594771798
~~ Ted ~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:8997:EBA9:D210:6A68 ( talk) 15:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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The contents of the Spagyric page were merged into Paracelsianism on 5 July 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
I removed these from further reading as this is English wikipedia, but there's no reason these can't be used as historical sources, so I'm putting them here for future use. Skyerise ( talk) 17:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
The definition of spagyric is 'pertaining to or resembling alchemy; alchemic'. Even in more modern definitions which take into account recent usage, 'spagyric extraction' is simply defined as a method of producing a more complete extract including the mineral salts. None of this is pseudoscience.
The use of these extracts in paraherbalism is where the pseudoscience comes in. We have a whole article on herbal medicine, which is not considered pseudoscience and is not categorized as such. So, the process and the extracts themselves are in no way pseudoscience, only subsequent use as a medicine under the belief that a "more complete" extract including the mineral salts may be more effective than the result of a process which isolates and extracts specific chosen compounds. And yet a spagyric extract has those same compounds and to the extent that it does there is no evidence that the additional material impedes the effectiveness of a dose with an equivalent amount of the chosen compound, just as there is no evidence that the additional components amplify the effectiveness.
Anyway, the pseudoscience involved here is paraherbalism, not the extraction theories or methods. The article should make that clear by noting that it is the paraherbal use of the resulting extract which is pseudoscience, not the al/chemical theories or processes involved. Skyerise ( talk) 22:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Paracelsus believed that powerful medicines could be prepared even from poisonous substances using chymical means of separation, which he called Scheidung in his native German. Processes including distillation, sublimation, putrefaction, and solution could be used to divide a naturally occurring substance into its three primordial principles of Mercury, Sulfur, and Salt. He considered these three the useful and beneficial parts, and believed that their separation left behind the toxic “dregs” of the substance. Once purified, the tria prima could be recombined to yield an “exalted” form of the original substance, free from impurities and toxicity, and thus enabled to operate more powerfully and beneficially as a medicine. Always fond of inventing words, Paracelsus gave this process of separation and reintegration the name spagyria. The term has been explained as meaning “to separate and (re)combine,” from the Greek words span and ageirein, meaning “to draw out” and “to bring together.”
Principe, Lawrence M. (2013). The Secrets of Alchemy. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. pp. 128–129. ISBN 978-0226103792.
yield an “exalted” form of the original substance, free from impurities and toxicity, and thus enabled to operate more powerfully and beneficially as a medicine.There's no doubt at all that people like Jean Dubuis and Frater Albertus, who still claim in the 20th century that this method is effective, are engaging in pseudoscience. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 23:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Anyone knows how to write it or to add to the article. Please do.
Spagyrics: The Alchemical Preparation of Medicinal Essences, Tinctures, and Elixirs Book by Manfred Junius
Publisher : Healing Arts Press; 3rd Edition, New Edition of The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy (Feb. 16 2007) ISBN-10 : 1594771790 ISBN-13 : 978-1594771798
~~ Ted ~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:8997:EBA9:D210:6A68 ( talk) 15:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)