This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||
|
Why is this entry separate from Overseas departments and territories of France? 83.79.0.104 ( talk) 09:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
This is a perfect confusion, the French overseas regions (Territoires d'Outre-Mer) are absolutely not the same as the overseas departments (Départements d'Outre-Mer)!
The first ones are :
French Polynesia (Polynésie Française)
New Caledonia (Nouvelle Calédonie)
Saint Martin (Saint-Martin)
Wallis and Futuna (Wallis et Futuna)
Saint Barthélemy (Saint-Barthélemy)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (Saint-Pierre et Miquelon)
The second ones are :
Guadeloupe
French Guiana (Guyanne)
Martinique
Mayotte
Réunion (La Réunion)
I don't know how to use wikipedia, but I'd be glad if someone does what it takes to settle this confusion. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.100.18.115 (
talk) 05:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this overseas region going to be split into two departments? Passer-by 12:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I found it unnecessarily difficult to pin down ecxactly the status of the Overseas Departments— Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, and French Guiana. I feel strongly that the first statement in this article should be an unambigous declaration that the have the same political status as metropolitan departments.
I was only able to find that out by reading the middle paragraph of the article Metropolitan France.
Nwbeeson 15:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In this regard the following statement might be misleading: "These overseas departments have the same political status as metropolitan departments and are integral parts of France, similar to how Hawaii is a state and an integral part of the United States." The only distinction one makes between the US with Hawaii and the US without Hawaii is geographical: one says 'continental US' to indicate the US without Hawaii (like one says 'contiguous' to leave out Hawaii and Alaska). Is the distinction between Metropolitan France and the Republic of France (see [ [1]]) the same as that between continental US and 'US' tout court? Richardson mcphillips1 02:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the statement that comparing Guadeloupe & France vs. Hawaii vs. United States is misleading, especially if you understand how the United States is politically organized. The United States is a Union, with most domestic (intrastate) power conferred to the states, while the federal government retains most of the international and interstate powers. France, on the other hand is a unitary republic, not a union or federal republic. The analogy is completely wrong, unless Guadeloupe has a special status that gives it some sovereignty the rest of the regions of France do not have. -- WisTex ( talk) 23:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree. The sentence is carefully worded and doesn't say e.g. that Hawaii and French Guyana have the same political status. For this comparison it doesn't matter how the US is organized as long as you understand that French Guyana is a French Departement with full rights just like Hawaii is a US State with full rights, even though they are both far away from their main lands. -- Repetition ( talk) 14:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Really ? Is the note correct ? Hektor ( talk) 08:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Overseas department. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 04:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
The term "Overseas region" appears to just be an additional designation for the overseas departments since they gained new powers. I think it would be better to have one article covering both designations, e.g., the lead could state:
Thoughts?
Rob984 ( talk) 00:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Each overseas department is the sole department in its own overseas region ( French: Région d'outre-mer), and the two layers of government are consolidated so one body wields the powers of region and department. These territories have had these political powers since 1982, when France's decentralisation policy dictated that they be given elected regional councils and other regional powers, but the term "overseas region" was created by the French constitutional amendment of 28 March 2003. It is virtually unused by French media, and in common use the term "overseas department" is used exclusively unless one is being careful to distinguish the two types of powers.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||
|
Why is this entry separate from Overseas departments and territories of France? 83.79.0.104 ( talk) 09:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
This is a perfect confusion, the French overseas regions (Territoires d'Outre-Mer) are absolutely not the same as the overseas departments (Départements d'Outre-Mer)!
The first ones are :
French Polynesia (Polynésie Française)
New Caledonia (Nouvelle Calédonie)
Saint Martin (Saint-Martin)
Wallis and Futuna (Wallis et Futuna)
Saint Barthélemy (Saint-Barthélemy)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (Saint-Pierre et Miquelon)
The second ones are :
Guadeloupe
French Guiana (Guyanne)
Martinique
Mayotte
Réunion (La Réunion)
I don't know how to use wikipedia, but I'd be glad if someone does what it takes to settle this confusion. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.100.18.115 (
talk) 05:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this overseas region going to be split into two departments? Passer-by 12:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I found it unnecessarily difficult to pin down ecxactly the status of the Overseas Departments— Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, and French Guiana. I feel strongly that the first statement in this article should be an unambigous declaration that the have the same political status as metropolitan departments.
I was only able to find that out by reading the middle paragraph of the article Metropolitan France.
Nwbeeson 15:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In this regard the following statement might be misleading: "These overseas departments have the same political status as metropolitan departments and are integral parts of France, similar to how Hawaii is a state and an integral part of the United States." The only distinction one makes between the US with Hawaii and the US without Hawaii is geographical: one says 'continental US' to indicate the US without Hawaii (like one says 'contiguous' to leave out Hawaii and Alaska). Is the distinction between Metropolitan France and the Republic of France (see [ [1]]) the same as that between continental US and 'US' tout court? Richardson mcphillips1 02:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the statement that comparing Guadeloupe & France vs. Hawaii vs. United States is misleading, especially if you understand how the United States is politically organized. The United States is a Union, with most domestic (intrastate) power conferred to the states, while the federal government retains most of the international and interstate powers. France, on the other hand is a unitary republic, not a union or federal republic. The analogy is completely wrong, unless Guadeloupe has a special status that gives it some sovereignty the rest of the regions of France do not have. -- WisTex ( talk) 23:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree. The sentence is carefully worded and doesn't say e.g. that Hawaii and French Guyana have the same political status. For this comparison it doesn't matter how the US is organized as long as you understand that French Guyana is a French Departement with full rights just like Hawaii is a US State with full rights, even though they are both far away from their main lands. -- Repetition ( talk) 14:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Really ? Is the note correct ? Hektor ( talk) 08:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Overseas department. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 04:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
The term "Overseas region" appears to just be an additional designation for the overseas departments since they gained new powers. I think it would be better to have one article covering both designations, e.g., the lead could state:
Thoughts?
Rob984 ( talk) 00:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Each overseas department is the sole department in its own overseas region ( French: Région d'outre-mer), and the two layers of government are consolidated so one body wields the powers of region and department. These territories have had these political powers since 1982, when France's decentralisation policy dictated that they be given elected regional councils and other regional powers, but the term "overseas region" was created by the French constitutional amendment of 28 March 2003. It is virtually unused by French media, and in common use the term "overseas department" is used exclusively unless one is being careful to distinguish the two types of powers.