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The contents of the Egypt Eyalet page were merged into Ottoman Egypt on October 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
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The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 08:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Egypt Province → Egypt Province, Ottoman Empire – need for standard Ottoman subdivsion title format. See
WP:RM page for similar requests. Sample:
Bosnia Province, Ottoman Empire. See
Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire for details of Ottoman subdivisions and
Category:Provinces of the Ottoman Empire for list of pages.
Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
With all due respect, given the existence of the page "History of Ottoman Egypt," the present page seems definitely redundant and a bit off point anyway, since it talks about the Mehmedalids and the Intervention, ignoring the earlier period of "direct" Turkish rule, such as that was. Would it be indecent of me to propose that this page simply be deleted?
Terry J. Carter ( talk) 00:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Takabeg ( talk) 04:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The opening section says this:
"Egypt was always a difficult province for the Ottoman Sultans to control, due in part to the continuing power and influence of the Mamluks, the Egyptian military caste who had ruled the country for centuries. As such, Egypt remained semi-autonomous under the Mamluks until it was invaded by the French forces of Napoleon I in 1798."
The idea that the Mamluk administration continued in Egypt after the Ottoman conquest and that the Mamluks continued to dominate the country was thoroughly disproven almost two decades ago by the work of Jane Hathaway, whose work is even cited in the article: see The Politics of Households in Ottoman Egypt: The Rise of the Qazdaglis. Chamboz ( talk) 22:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Template:https://ebook.univeyes.com/155489 is not a WP:RS. We should get a better source. Frietjes ( talk) 21:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is consensus that the article should be moved, and that it needs to be changed to better include the period after 1867. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 21:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Egypt Eyalet →
Ottoman Egypt – "Eyalet" is a Turkish term rarely used in English, not even particularly used in English references about this topic (who simply use "province"), so for general readers it's needlessly obscure and doesn't immediately convey the main topic described in the lead; i.e., Egypt as a division of the Ottoman Empire. "Ottoman Egypt" appears to be a far more
WP:COMMONNAME when looking up ngrams (
[1]) or comparing the number of hits on Google Books for "Ottoman Egypt" (50,100
[2]) versus "Egypt Eyalet" (1,370
[3]).
R Prazeres (
talk) 18:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs) 14:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Per the comments in the merge discussion above, I've revised parts of the lead and the infobox to reflect the fact that the article actually covers the period up to the 1914 and that Egypt was formally part of the Ottoman Empire until then. As mentioned above, the article lead already said this, and that's also supported by reliable sources (e.g. Cambridge History of Egypt, volume 2, p.245)
More generally, there may be other clean-up needed as well. The lead contradicts itself somewhat by saying that Muhammad Ali established the "Khedivate" in 1805 and then saying that this status was granted in 1867, and there's no source cited for either claim. (The Khedivate of Egypt article isn't much help there either.) Other parts of the article are still not well-sourced and some appear to be entirely based on a single old source (Encyclopedia Britannica 1917). R Prazeres ( talk) 23:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
How this country has wars with Ottoman Empire and called Ottoman Egypt?! The name should be "Egypt". I hope this is an honest mistake. Thanks Crimsonalfred2022 ( talk) 01:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Just making a clearer note here about the maintenance template I added: most of the history section (most of the current article) is based on a 1911 edition of Enyclopaedia Britannica, possibly also borrowing text directly from it (because it's in public domain). In the long term, the article should be updated with more references, including more recent ones. It's not that any information from 1911 is necessarily outdated, but for the sake of ensuring the article reflects a wider academic understanding of the topic.
If helpful, I've quickly listed some potentially useful references here. Any future editors interested in improving the article and looking for a place to start could use these. Feel free to add more suggestions below:
R Prazeres ( talk) 17:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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The contents of the Egypt Eyalet page were merged into Ottoman Egypt on October 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
This article has previously been nominated to be moved.
Discussions:
|
The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 08:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Egypt Province → Egypt Province, Ottoman Empire – need for standard Ottoman subdivsion title format. See
WP:RM page for similar requests. Sample:
Bosnia Province, Ottoman Empire. See
Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire for details of Ottoman subdivisions and
Category:Provinces of the Ottoman Empire for list of pages.
Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
With all due respect, given the existence of the page "History of Ottoman Egypt," the present page seems definitely redundant and a bit off point anyway, since it talks about the Mehmedalids and the Intervention, ignoring the earlier period of "direct" Turkish rule, such as that was. Would it be indecent of me to propose that this page simply be deleted?
Terry J. Carter ( talk) 00:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Takabeg ( talk) 04:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The opening section says this:
"Egypt was always a difficult province for the Ottoman Sultans to control, due in part to the continuing power and influence of the Mamluks, the Egyptian military caste who had ruled the country for centuries. As such, Egypt remained semi-autonomous under the Mamluks until it was invaded by the French forces of Napoleon I in 1798."
The idea that the Mamluk administration continued in Egypt after the Ottoman conquest and that the Mamluks continued to dominate the country was thoroughly disproven almost two decades ago by the work of Jane Hathaway, whose work is even cited in the article: see The Politics of Households in Ottoman Egypt: The Rise of the Qazdaglis. Chamboz ( talk) 22:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Template:https://ebook.univeyes.com/155489 is not a WP:RS. We should get a better source. Frietjes ( talk) 21:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is consensus that the article should be moved, and that it needs to be changed to better include the period after 1867. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 21:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Egypt Eyalet →
Ottoman Egypt – "Eyalet" is a Turkish term rarely used in English, not even particularly used in English references about this topic (who simply use "province"), so for general readers it's needlessly obscure and doesn't immediately convey the main topic described in the lead; i.e., Egypt as a division of the Ottoman Empire. "Ottoman Egypt" appears to be a far more
WP:COMMONNAME when looking up ngrams (
[1]) or comparing the number of hits on Google Books for "Ottoman Egypt" (50,100
[2]) versus "Egypt Eyalet" (1,370
[3]).
R Prazeres (
talk) 18:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs) 14:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Per the comments in the merge discussion above, I've revised parts of the lead and the infobox to reflect the fact that the article actually covers the period up to the 1914 and that Egypt was formally part of the Ottoman Empire until then. As mentioned above, the article lead already said this, and that's also supported by reliable sources (e.g. Cambridge History of Egypt, volume 2, p.245)
More generally, there may be other clean-up needed as well. The lead contradicts itself somewhat by saying that Muhammad Ali established the "Khedivate" in 1805 and then saying that this status was granted in 1867, and there's no source cited for either claim. (The Khedivate of Egypt article isn't much help there either.) Other parts of the article are still not well-sourced and some appear to be entirely based on a single old source (Encyclopedia Britannica 1917). R Prazeres ( talk) 23:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
How this country has wars with Ottoman Empire and called Ottoman Egypt?! The name should be "Egypt". I hope this is an honest mistake. Thanks Crimsonalfred2022 ( talk) 01:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Just making a clearer note here about the maintenance template I added: most of the history section (most of the current article) is based on a 1911 edition of Enyclopaedia Britannica, possibly also borrowing text directly from it (because it's in public domain). In the long term, the article should be updated with more references, including more recent ones. It's not that any information from 1911 is necessarily outdated, but for the sake of ensuring the article reflects a wider academic understanding of the topic.
If helpful, I've quickly listed some potentially useful references here. Any future editors interested in improving the article and looking for a place to start could use these. Feel free to add more suggestions below:
R Prazeres ( talk) 17:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)