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Hello.
Let me say that Mickle's 1776 English translation is very bad. I´m portuguese, I know the original text, and let me say...the original is much better, and I don´t like that some of his notes criticize Camões original work (if they don´t they look like). I know that a lot of english speakers don´t know portuguese, but Mickle's work has (almost) nothing to do with the original! Sure, it rimes, but he cuts and adds parts! I wish there was a good translater that could translate this masterpiece with the glory that it has and deserves. No wonder Anglo people don´t know well Camões, the translaters are HORRIBLE!!!And the size of the strofes varies too, when in Camõens they are perfectly equal.
Sorry if this is a silly question. The lead reads first printed in 1572, this epic poem focuses mainly on a fantastical interpretation of the Portuguese discoveries movement, in the 14th through 17th centuries
If it was first printed in 1572, how can it describe things until the 17th century ? (Portuguese discoveries movement, according to that article, was in the 15th century) Tintin ( talk) 16:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I translated the portuguese article, since i think it is more developed. Feel free to improve it. I simply translated it, and some parts may not be as neutral as they should, so please, if you have knowledge about this, make it more neutral. Cheers.
Tintin
The Discoveries lasted until the 17th century, but they began in the 15th. It is not unreasonable to assume that there was plenty to talk about in 1572. I give you the example of Da Gama's discovery of the seaway route to India, which is the most celebrated event in The Lusiads.
This article needs quite a clean up, particularly with this "the poem tells us" stuff, which I feel is very unencyclopaedic, I have tried to fix it in the first few paragraphs, and have hidden one particularly iffy sentence. Personally I wonder how this article got B status as it is at the moment, no offense intended of course :) I will try to worker on the article further soon SGGH 22:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
A number of points:
I would perhaps go so far as to suggest a completely new article, this is so much of an originally researched English University essay with it's own interpretations and conclusions, and so little of an encyclopedic, factual article. It needs some serious citation and rewriting by someone who knows more about the topic than I.
Sorry to sound so negative, it's not like it's anyones fault though. Likly the original article it was translated from has such problems (if it isn't a lift from a site as I mentioned above) though I can't say that for definite, and obviously translating it has induced new errors (unavoidable ones unfortunatly). All in all, it needs an expert to work on it, preferably one who speaks Portuguese (to help with the translation) and who knows where interpretations can be cited. SGGH 20:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking about updating the article based on the current portuguese article that focuses on more episodes (not just 4 cantos), but seing the reaction above, I don't know if I should. Any oppinions?
Should the last section in the article even be there? It doesn't seem very encyclopedic. ErikTheBikeMan ( talk) 05:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
If it is usually translated as a thing, that should be the title, this being the English-language site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.149.180 ( talk) 15:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Both this article and the Portuguese language Wikipedia article use internal links to both the nereid Thetis and the Titanide Tethys. Anyone can clear up who is the "Tétis" from Camoens? Or does he use both (one for the Adamastor episode and another for the hostelling of the Portuguese in the Island of Love and the prophecy to Gama)? Or he (con)fuses both into a single character? This should be cleared. 89.155.19.3 ( talk) 23:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hello.
Let me say that Mickle's 1776 English translation is very bad. I´m portuguese, I know the original text, and let me say...the original is much better, and I don´t like that some of his notes criticize Camões original work (if they don´t they look like). I know that a lot of english speakers don´t know portuguese, but Mickle's work has (almost) nothing to do with the original! Sure, it rimes, but he cuts and adds parts! I wish there was a good translater that could translate this masterpiece with the glory that it has and deserves. No wonder Anglo people don´t know well Camões, the translaters are HORRIBLE!!!And the size of the strofes varies too, when in Camõens they are perfectly equal.
Sorry if this is a silly question. The lead reads first printed in 1572, this epic poem focuses mainly on a fantastical interpretation of the Portuguese discoveries movement, in the 14th through 17th centuries
If it was first printed in 1572, how can it describe things until the 17th century ? (Portuguese discoveries movement, according to that article, was in the 15th century) Tintin ( talk) 16:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I translated the portuguese article, since i think it is more developed. Feel free to improve it. I simply translated it, and some parts may not be as neutral as they should, so please, if you have knowledge about this, make it more neutral. Cheers.
Tintin
The Discoveries lasted until the 17th century, but they began in the 15th. It is not unreasonable to assume that there was plenty to talk about in 1572. I give you the example of Da Gama's discovery of the seaway route to India, which is the most celebrated event in The Lusiads.
This article needs quite a clean up, particularly with this "the poem tells us" stuff, which I feel is very unencyclopaedic, I have tried to fix it in the first few paragraphs, and have hidden one particularly iffy sentence. Personally I wonder how this article got B status as it is at the moment, no offense intended of course :) I will try to worker on the article further soon SGGH 22:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
A number of points:
I would perhaps go so far as to suggest a completely new article, this is so much of an originally researched English University essay with it's own interpretations and conclusions, and so little of an encyclopedic, factual article. It needs some serious citation and rewriting by someone who knows more about the topic than I.
Sorry to sound so negative, it's not like it's anyones fault though. Likly the original article it was translated from has such problems (if it isn't a lift from a site as I mentioned above) though I can't say that for definite, and obviously translating it has induced new errors (unavoidable ones unfortunatly). All in all, it needs an expert to work on it, preferably one who speaks Portuguese (to help with the translation) and who knows where interpretations can be cited. SGGH 20:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking about updating the article based on the current portuguese article that focuses on more episodes (not just 4 cantos), but seing the reaction above, I don't know if I should. Any oppinions?
Should the last section in the article even be there? It doesn't seem very encyclopedic. ErikTheBikeMan ( talk) 05:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
If it is usually translated as a thing, that should be the title, this being the English-language site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.149.180 ( talk) 15:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Both this article and the Portuguese language Wikipedia article use internal links to both the nereid Thetis and the Titanide Tethys. Anyone can clear up who is the "Tétis" from Camoens? Or does he use both (one for the Adamastor episode and another for the hostelling of the Portuguese in the Island of Love and the prophecy to Gama)? Or he (con)fuses both into a single character? This should be cleared. 89.155.19.3 ( talk) 23:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)