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No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus. I am restoring the previous title, Orient Overseas (International) Limited, boldly moved from, to make it clear that this is not a disambiguated title. Nothing prevents a new move request from being initiated after a reasonable pause. BD2412 T 02:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Orient Overseas (International) → Orient Overseas – According to Google ngram. "Orient Overseas" is the common name, rather than the longer name Orient Overseas (International) Limited, Orient Overseas (International) or OOIL. This may due to the popularity of the subsidiary, OOCL, or other namesake that i can't remember. But the ngram prove "Orient Overseas" should be the common name . And "Orient Overseas " is long served as a redirect to this article.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Orient+Overseas%2C+OOIL%2C+Orient+Overseas+%28International%29%2C+Orient+Overseas+%28International%29+Limited&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2COrient%20Overseas%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2COOIL%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2COrient%20Overseas%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2COOIL%3B%2Cc0 Matthew hk ( talk) 18:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ( t · c) buidhe 14:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: The company's website uses OOIL, so I would say "Orient Overseas" is just an abbreviation. The official name is quite similar to the abbreviation, so it will not increase people's familiarity with the topic. Threedotshk ( talk) 01:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: the proposer appears to be going for change for changes sake. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 08:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
The article / stub was lack of content for ages. Also, it may be lost in translation on digging the ship name the company (or sister company) owned. Seawise Giant, was credited in C.Y. Tung's obituary as the world's largest ship at that time. But the ship was owned by C.Y. Tung's private company, or Orient Overseas? Matthew hk ( talk) 12:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Separate problem. The content, made by User:Ricky@36 (aka User:Ricky36 of zh-wiki), was not challenged for over 10 years, but his content contain a lot of typo and no hope to contact him and ask him to online again to fix it.
So. 1969 foundation is wrong . Here is the version by Ricky@36 in Y2009 . The primary source only stated " With the emergence of containerization, the company was re-named Orient Overseas Container Line in 1969. "
While for 1947, the primary source stated "In 1947, he achieved that dream when the first ship with an all-Chinese crew reached the Atlantic coast of the USA and Europe.". Forbes also used 1947 as date of foundation. So what exact wording should we use on the year of foundation and form of foundation? Note that a lot Chinese companies was not incorporated but as "Associate" / "Unlimited Liability Company" until some time later due to the post-war reform of Hong Kong's business laws Matthew hk ( talk) 14:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I have removed the cat Category:Former companies in the Hang Seng Index. It may be true that Orient Overseas may be a component of Hang Seng Index in the past, but since there is no citation in the body text and i haven't dig out one yet, the cat can't be added to the article. Matthew hk ( talk) 14:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus. I am restoring the previous title, Orient Overseas (International) Limited, boldly moved from, to make it clear that this is not a disambiguated title. Nothing prevents a new move request from being initiated after a reasonable pause. BD2412 T 02:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Orient Overseas (International) → Orient Overseas – According to Google ngram. "Orient Overseas" is the common name, rather than the longer name Orient Overseas (International) Limited, Orient Overseas (International) or OOIL. This may due to the popularity of the subsidiary, OOCL, or other namesake that i can't remember. But the ngram prove "Orient Overseas" should be the common name . And "Orient Overseas " is long served as a redirect to this article.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Orient+Overseas%2C+OOIL%2C+Orient+Overseas+%28International%29%2C+Orient+Overseas+%28International%29+Limited&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2COrient%20Overseas%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2COOIL%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2COrient%20Overseas%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2COOIL%3B%2Cc0 Matthew hk ( talk) 18:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ( t · c) buidhe 14:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: The company's website uses OOIL, so I would say "Orient Overseas" is just an abbreviation. The official name is quite similar to the abbreviation, so it will not increase people's familiarity with the topic. Threedotshk ( talk) 01:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: the proposer appears to be going for change for changes sake. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 08:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
The article / stub was lack of content for ages. Also, it may be lost in translation on digging the ship name the company (or sister company) owned. Seawise Giant, was credited in C.Y. Tung's obituary as the world's largest ship at that time. But the ship was owned by C.Y. Tung's private company, or Orient Overseas? Matthew hk ( talk) 12:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Separate problem. The content, made by User:Ricky@36 (aka User:Ricky36 of zh-wiki), was not challenged for over 10 years, but his content contain a lot of typo and no hope to contact him and ask him to online again to fix it.
So. 1969 foundation is wrong . Here is the version by Ricky@36 in Y2009 . The primary source only stated " With the emergence of containerization, the company was re-named Orient Overseas Container Line in 1969. "
While for 1947, the primary source stated "In 1947, he achieved that dream when the first ship with an all-Chinese crew reached the Atlantic coast of the USA and Europe.". Forbes also used 1947 as date of foundation. So what exact wording should we use on the year of foundation and form of foundation? Note that a lot Chinese companies was not incorporated but as "Associate" / "Unlimited Liability Company" until some time later due to the post-war reform of Hong Kong's business laws Matthew hk ( talk) 14:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I have removed the cat Category:Former companies in the Hang Seng Index. It may be true that Orient Overseas may be a component of Hang Seng Index in the past, but since there is no citation in the body text and i haven't dig out one yet, the cat can't be added to the article. Matthew hk ( talk) 14:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)