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This article is astonishingly biased. How can Wikipedia allow it to remain up? It demeans Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.13.29 ( talk • contribs)
The article is overtly hostile to the petition. Very bad form. Not encyclopedic at all, just a nasty opinion piece.
"Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science."
Yes it is biased and an insult to readers, but not compared to a few years ago. I visited this today to test whether to recommend boycotting the panhandling drive. Some years ago the article read like a National Socialist critique of Jewish science--basically a harangue licking the blacking off of bureaucratic jackboots and a panegyric for the initiation of force in the name of half-baked political pseudoscience. As long as the Wikipedia lends itself to burning individual rights at the stake of superstition I will feel ethically bound to urge contributors to donate to more honest causes instead. translator ( talk) 16:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No Consensus - Page Not Moved - Sadly there appears to be only a very few editors who are willing to support/oppose at this time, although there has been a lot of discussion. The move has now been open for well over two weeks and I don't think another relist will gain enough consensus. The Alternative name does redirect here, so there's no problem with people not finding the page. One of the leading web pages ( http://www.oism.org/pproject/) appears to be using the Alternative name as it's title, so maybe, with time, the "commonname" may well change, and a move can be requested again Ronhjones (Talk) 23:30, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Oregon Petition → Global Warming Petition Project —
The name of the article should match the name of the petition. Of course, putting in a f/k/a or "originally called" certainly makes sense. Does any editor know how this is done? I think it is possible to do it in such a way that there are no orphaned links within wikipedia. - Relisting. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
-- Knowsetfree ( talk) 02:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,040,000 for oregon petition. (0.10 seconds)
The determination of most common name is made instead by editors here, based on the same reliable sources that we use to write the article. If credible sources generally call it the "Oregon Petition", then we go with "Oregon petition" (assuming nothing else of equal or greater notability is also known by that name). If credible sources generally call it the "Global Warming Petition Project", then that's what we go with.
It's not clear to me from the above discussion which name is used in our sources. Can someone address that question? - GTBacchus( talk) 00:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
It is a given that there are people who do not believe the declarations made in the petition. However, the petition speaks for itself. This false text was removed:
The text of the petition often is misrepresented. For example, until recently the petition's website stated that the petition's signatories "declare that global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever" [1] and t
The "petition's website" said no such thing. I examined the provided citation, which was a web page which was merely talking about the petition. The website designated in the citation was an editorial. In fact, it was clear that the website referred to the actual petition website as "This Page", which was a direct link to the actual website. The quote "global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever" appears on the review website, but appears nowhere on the actual petition's website. Just because there might be some people who arguably "misrepresent" the text of the Global Warming Petition Project doesn't mean that Wiki should repeat such errors. That is to say, it was a lie that was just removed, a lie that was misrepresenting the text of the petition. -- Knowsetfree ( talk) 18:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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I wrote the original comment that the article was biased. I see now that it has been cleaned up, the POV removed, and it is much better. Well done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.10.90 ( talk) 18:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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NPV – by Appeal to Motives Logical Fallacy Re summary: “It is commonly considered to be a political petition designed for disinforming and confusing the public about the scientific results and the consensus of climate change research.” This headline summary statement violates Wikipedia's foundational NPV (NPOV) policy. It commits the Logical Fallacy of “The Argument from Motives (also Questioning Motives)”. See Master List of Logical Fallacies #18 This NPV should best be corrected by 1) Deleting it from the summary and at best editing and putting it further down. OR 2) Correct it to: “Others assert it disinforms the public about climate science and a consensus on climate change.” This removes Wikipedia from making the logical fallacy assertion imputing moral turpitude, to noting that others have made this illogical Argument from Motives. DLH ( talk) 22:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
As above, the disagreement is clearly NOT with 'the reliable source quoted in the article' but the biased presentation of the quote. This is far from the first article that contains this sort of arrogantly dismissive, falsely positioned brush off by some editor forcing misleading views into an article. One can see that Wikipedia's dishonesty is hidden away in the Talk pages where obfuscation and dissembling rhetoric are used to hide the bias of the editors in justifying their flawed and propagandist viewpoints. What a tragedy for a once great idea. -- Diolution ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.3.76 ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC) 122.60.3.76
I believe the sole purpose of this entry was meant not to provide a straight forward unbiased description of the petition and other relative facts but to add his own spin to discredit a petition which the author vehemently disagrees with. The author has carefully phrased sentences and inserted passive aggressive verbiage to influence the readers opinion on the subject matter. A proper encyclopedic entry should not so clearly convey the beliefs of the author. 98.114.241.198 ( talk) 03:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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This article is astonishingly biased. How can Wikipedia allow it to remain up? It demeans Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.13.29 ( talk • contribs)
The article is overtly hostile to the petition. Very bad form. Not encyclopedic at all, just a nasty opinion piece.
"Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science."
Yes it is biased and an insult to readers, but not compared to a few years ago. I visited this today to test whether to recommend boycotting the panhandling drive. Some years ago the article read like a National Socialist critique of Jewish science--basically a harangue licking the blacking off of bureaucratic jackboots and a panegyric for the initiation of force in the name of half-baked political pseudoscience. As long as the Wikipedia lends itself to burning individual rights at the stake of superstition I will feel ethically bound to urge contributors to donate to more honest causes instead. translator ( talk) 16:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No Consensus - Page Not Moved - Sadly there appears to be only a very few editors who are willing to support/oppose at this time, although there has been a lot of discussion. The move has now been open for well over two weeks and I don't think another relist will gain enough consensus. The Alternative name does redirect here, so there's no problem with people not finding the page. One of the leading web pages ( http://www.oism.org/pproject/) appears to be using the Alternative name as it's title, so maybe, with time, the "commonname" may well change, and a move can be requested again Ronhjones (Talk) 23:30, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Oregon Petition → Global Warming Petition Project —
The name of the article should match the name of the petition. Of course, putting in a f/k/a or "originally called" certainly makes sense. Does any editor know how this is done? I think it is possible to do it in such a way that there are no orphaned links within wikipedia. - Relisting. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
-- Knowsetfree ( talk) 02:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,040,000 for oregon petition. (0.10 seconds)
The determination of most common name is made instead by editors here, based on the same reliable sources that we use to write the article. If credible sources generally call it the "Oregon Petition", then we go with "Oregon petition" (assuming nothing else of equal or greater notability is also known by that name). If credible sources generally call it the "Global Warming Petition Project", then that's what we go with.
It's not clear to me from the above discussion which name is used in our sources. Can someone address that question? - GTBacchus( talk) 00:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
It is a given that there are people who do not believe the declarations made in the petition. However, the petition speaks for itself. This false text was removed:
The text of the petition often is misrepresented. For example, until recently the petition's website stated that the petition's signatories "declare that global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever" [1] and t
The "petition's website" said no such thing. I examined the provided citation, which was a web page which was merely talking about the petition. The website designated in the citation was an editorial. In fact, it was clear that the website referred to the actual petition website as "This Page", which was a direct link to the actual website. The quote "global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever" appears on the review website, but appears nowhere on the actual petition's website. Just because there might be some people who arguably "misrepresent" the text of the Global Warming Petition Project doesn't mean that Wiki should repeat such errors. That is to say, it was a lie that was just removed, a lie that was misrepresenting the text of the petition. -- Knowsetfree ( talk) 18:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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Please note that, by a decision of the Wikipedia community, this article and others relating to climate change (broadly construed) has been placed under article probation. Editors making disruptive edits may be blocked temporarily from editing the encyclopedia, or subject to other administrative remedies, according to standards that may be higher than elsewhere on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:General sanctions/Climate change probation for full information and to review the decision. -- ChrisO ( talk) 19:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I wrote the original comment that the article was biased. I see now that it has been cleaned up, the POV removed, and it is much better. Well done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.10.90 ( talk) 18:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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NPV – by Appeal to Motives Logical Fallacy Re summary: “It is commonly considered to be a political petition designed for disinforming and confusing the public about the scientific results and the consensus of climate change research.” This headline summary statement violates Wikipedia's foundational NPV (NPOV) policy. It commits the Logical Fallacy of “The Argument from Motives (also Questioning Motives)”. See Master List of Logical Fallacies #18 This NPV should best be corrected by 1) Deleting it from the summary and at best editing and putting it further down. OR 2) Correct it to: “Others assert it disinforms the public about climate science and a consensus on climate change.” This removes Wikipedia from making the logical fallacy assertion imputing moral turpitude, to noting that others have made this illogical Argument from Motives. DLH ( talk) 22:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
As above, the disagreement is clearly NOT with 'the reliable source quoted in the article' but the biased presentation of the quote. This is far from the first article that contains this sort of arrogantly dismissive, falsely positioned brush off by some editor forcing misleading views into an article. One can see that Wikipedia's dishonesty is hidden away in the Talk pages where obfuscation and dissembling rhetoric are used to hide the bias of the editors in justifying their flawed and propagandist viewpoints. What a tragedy for a once great idea. -- Diolution ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.3.76 ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC) 122.60.3.76
I believe the sole purpose of this entry was meant not to provide a straight forward unbiased description of the petition and other relative facts but to add his own spin to discredit a petition which the author vehemently disagrees with. The author has carefully phrased sentences and inserted passive aggressive verbiage to influence the readers opinion on the subject matter. A proper encyclopedic entry should not so clearly convey the beliefs of the author. 98.114.241.198 ( talk) 03:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)