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Hell's Kitchen?

I'm just going to leave this here because it was a natural thing to wonder and it took some time to find the answer, but it obviously does not belong in the body of this article, so I don't know what to do with it, yet I don't want it to be lost.

When I read "In 1929, Ralph Davis discovered signs of beavers on the stream while traveling from Rickett's Station to his camp in Hell's Kitchen," my immediate question was, "camp in Hell's Kitchen?" The only Hell's Kitchen I knew of is a neighborhood in Manhattan; by 1929 no one would be said to have a "camp" in Manhattan.

The Wikipedia disambiguation page for "Hell's Kitchen" was no help; it lists no other geographical meanings.

However, a little Googling around (probably) answered the question. I found two references to a Hell's Kitchen camp in rural Pennsylvania. https://books.google.com/books?id=MT1EAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA88&dq=hell%27s+kitchen+place+name+in+Pennsylvania&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiftZXh9o3WAhWFRCYKHdiLBgIQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=hell%27s%20kitchen%20place%20name%20in%20Pennsylvania&f=false and https://books.google.com/books?id=svc7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA123&dq=hell%27s+kitchen+place+name+in+Pennsylvania&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiftZXh9o3WAhWFRCYKHdiLBgIQ6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=hell%27s%20kitchen%20place%20name%20in%20Pennsylvania&f=false

Is there any acceptable way to decrease the possible confusion from this obscure reference? Is it allowed to add to the disambiguation page a reference that does not have its own article? (I don't think this Hell's Kitchen in Pennsylvania comes anywhere close to being important enough to deserve an article; yet one sentence on the disambiguation page might keep some future reader from repeating the research I just did.) I think I remember examples of that (they turn up in red because they have no link). Should I add this geographical reference to the Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page?

A couple of days later I came very close to adding to the Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page (after reading the Manual of Style for disambiguation pages) not by using a red link to a non-existent Hell's Kitchen, Pennsylvania article (forbidden by the manual of style) but by referring to this Opossum Brook article. However, I didn't because of doubt I have truly solved the mystery. Both my cited external sources refer to a name given a camp during a 1779 military expedition and denoted by a sign carved in a tree. Can we be sure that same place name was still used in 1929? The alternative is that there were two places called Hell's Kitchen in rural Pennsylvania. I don't feel sure enough to say. Gms3591 ( talk) 11:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hell's Kitchen?

I'm just going to leave this here because it was a natural thing to wonder and it took some time to find the answer, but it obviously does not belong in the body of this article, so I don't know what to do with it, yet I don't want it to be lost.

When I read "In 1929, Ralph Davis discovered signs of beavers on the stream while traveling from Rickett's Station to his camp in Hell's Kitchen," my immediate question was, "camp in Hell's Kitchen?" The only Hell's Kitchen I knew of is a neighborhood in Manhattan; by 1929 no one would be said to have a "camp" in Manhattan.

The Wikipedia disambiguation page for "Hell's Kitchen" was no help; it lists no other geographical meanings.

However, a little Googling around (probably) answered the question. I found two references to a Hell's Kitchen camp in rural Pennsylvania. https://books.google.com/books?id=MT1EAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA88&dq=hell%27s+kitchen+place+name+in+Pennsylvania&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiftZXh9o3WAhWFRCYKHdiLBgIQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=hell%27s%20kitchen%20place%20name%20in%20Pennsylvania&f=false and https://books.google.com/books?id=svc7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA123&dq=hell%27s+kitchen+place+name+in+Pennsylvania&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiftZXh9o3WAhWFRCYKHdiLBgIQ6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=hell%27s%20kitchen%20place%20name%20in%20Pennsylvania&f=false

Is there any acceptable way to decrease the possible confusion from this obscure reference? Is it allowed to add to the disambiguation page a reference that does not have its own article? (I don't think this Hell's Kitchen in Pennsylvania comes anywhere close to being important enough to deserve an article; yet one sentence on the disambiguation page might keep some future reader from repeating the research I just did.) I think I remember examples of that (they turn up in red because they have no link). Should I add this geographical reference to the Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page?

A couple of days later I came very close to adding to the Hell's Kitchen disambiguation page (after reading the Manual of Style for disambiguation pages) not by using a red link to a non-existent Hell's Kitchen, Pennsylvania article (forbidden by the manual of style) but by referring to this Opossum Brook article. However, I didn't because of doubt I have truly solved the mystery. Both my cited external sources refer to a name given a camp during a 1779 military expedition and denoted by a sign carved in a tree. Can we be sure that same place name was still used in 1929? The alternative is that there were two places called Hell's Kitchen in rural Pennsylvania. I don't feel sure enough to say. Gms3591 ( talk) 11:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply


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