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Reviewer: Jaguar ( talk · contribs) 22:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I'll finish this review tomorrow
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I enjoyed reading this article, and could find little issues to bring up. Once all of the above are clarified then this should have no problem passing! JAG UAR 20:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
His death when she was in her teens is probably relevant. Anmccaff ( talk) 12:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Find a source that says her brother's death had an effect on her relevant to her biography, otherwise it's WP:OR and not suitable for inclusion in the article. This page is for discussion of improvements to the article, not as a forum for speculation. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Tufnell's mother appears to have been heavily involved in the Royal Institute of International Affairs, which seems itself noteworthy.
Really? Just from googlication, I can see her a a fairly regular speaker, back to Versailles. Jan 21, 13 Nov. '28, 12 Feb '29. It's also straightforward to see the connection between her and Hilda Petrie - the Anglo-Czech society. (That, in turn, connects indirectly back to another recently featured subject, Rosalie Slaughter Morton.) Anmccaff ( talk) 20:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Tuffnell's mother is not the subject of this article. Find a source that says her mother's activities had an effect on her relevant to her biography, otherwise it's WP:OR and not suitable for inclusion in the article. This page is for discussion of improvements to the article, not as a forum for speculation. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The Tufnells appear to have been a prototypical "county" family; being a militia officer was a minor, unremarkable part of that. They also had a -strong- Army and colonial connection, which would seem a great deal more relevant. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
10 minutes looking, and there they are in Burke's (Landed). A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland, Volume 2 p 1495 Tufnells of Langleys. So, Olga's grandfather was the the Lt Col commanding the local battalion of the Essex regiment, the JP, &cet, and the family owned not too long before (and may have still had ground rent of) Tufnell Park. There was some coin floating around here. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Aside, I suppose, that far from being from a pack of Essex yokels who owned a few more pigs than the average, she was from a family that had been High Sheriffs, Deputy Lieutenants, and field grade commanders of the militia, all the way back to Chuck-the-Beheaded? That's a very different picture from what the article now paints. Anmccaff ( talk) 20:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
(→Early life: Source says "family of farmers", but doesn't make it clear if it's historical farming family or current farming family. Either way, it's plausible that Beauchamp was a farmer. Either way, this statement should help remove the "dubious" ta)
More betterer, but the source doesn't just say "family of farmers", it says "well-to-do family of farmers" i.e. yeoman "strong farmers" or "gentleman farmers". It's obvious from other sources that the family was studded with colonels and generals, which implies, but doesn't guarantee the latter, as does the amazing collection of personal names.
The mention of a festschrift is useful; has anyone read it? It's also worth noting that it explicitly relates her low profile to her personality, rather than to blind prejudice. Anmccaff ( talk) 18:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
You have a choice here: find a source that says her social status was that of a child of gentleman farmers (or whatever text you are suggesting) or get your own research published in a peer reviewed journal with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, then we can cite it. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Tufnell and Christie herself both almost certainly show up fictionalized in Agatha Christie's work. Dunno if there is a decent cite to show for this easily available, though. Anmccaff ( talk) 19:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112118417200;view=1up;seq=9 Beth Pelet I burials. Anmccaff ( talk) 04:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Blanche's stepfather (?) appears to be Adolph Friedrich Lindemann, her father Benjamin Davidson. Fort's bio of Lindemann's kid would be worth looking at. This bunch gets more interesting. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC) PS:Lindemann's wife shows both as Mary and as Olga (Noble) Anmccaff ( talk) 07:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The Mormon genealogy site seems to confirm this; here's their extract of the 1891 census. So, Lord Cherwell was Blanche Tufnell's step-brother, and Olga's maternal grandmother was also Olga. Anmccaff ( talk)
...and, better still, Blanche's father seems to have done business with Schliemann in San Francisco. Lordy. Anmccaff ( talk) 09:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Although it's not obvious that Lindemann had any impact on Tufnell's life and works, it is probably worth a mention if the sourcing is solid. Even as a piece of trivia, it helps to flesh out her immediate family background. What text would you suggest should be included in the article? -- RexxS ( talk) 17:33, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I did remove the women scientists category but am not attached. My reasoning was that at the time Tufnell's work was less science related and more related to the practical aspects of archeology as well as writing. At that time scientific aspects of archeology were less developed if developed at all. Just a few thoughts and not attached to my edit.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 06:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC))
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Olga Tufnell assisted in unearthing the biblical city of
Lachish? | ||||||||||
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Reviewer: Jaguar ( talk · contribs) 22:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I'll finish this review tomorrow
JAG
UAR 22:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I enjoyed reading this article, and could find little issues to bring up. Once all of the above are clarified then this should have no problem passing! JAG UAR 20:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
His death when she was in her teens is probably relevant. Anmccaff ( talk) 12:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Find a source that says her brother's death had an effect on her relevant to her biography, otherwise it's WP:OR and not suitable for inclusion in the article. This page is for discussion of improvements to the article, not as a forum for speculation. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Tufnell's mother appears to have been heavily involved in the Royal Institute of International Affairs, which seems itself noteworthy.
Really? Just from googlication, I can see her a a fairly regular speaker, back to Versailles. Jan 21, 13 Nov. '28, 12 Feb '29. It's also straightforward to see the connection between her and Hilda Petrie - the Anglo-Czech society. (That, in turn, connects indirectly back to another recently featured subject, Rosalie Slaughter Morton.) Anmccaff ( talk) 20:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Tuffnell's mother is not the subject of this article. Find a source that says her mother's activities had an effect on her relevant to her biography, otherwise it's WP:OR and not suitable for inclusion in the article. This page is for discussion of improvements to the article, not as a forum for speculation. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The Tufnells appear to have been a prototypical "county" family; being a militia officer was a minor, unremarkable part of that. They also had a -strong- Army and colonial connection, which would seem a great deal more relevant. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
10 minutes looking, and there they are in Burke's (Landed). A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland, Volume 2 p 1495 Tufnells of Langleys. So, Olga's grandfather was the the Lt Col commanding the local battalion of the Essex regiment, the JP, &cet, and the family owned not too long before (and may have still had ground rent of) Tufnell Park. There was some coin floating around here. Anmccaff ( talk) 05:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Aside, I suppose, that far from being from a pack of Essex yokels who owned a few more pigs than the average, she was from a family that had been High Sheriffs, Deputy Lieutenants, and field grade commanders of the militia, all the way back to Chuck-the-Beheaded? That's a very different picture from what the article now paints. Anmccaff ( talk) 20:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
(→Early life: Source says "family of farmers", but doesn't make it clear if it's historical farming family or current farming family. Either way, it's plausible that Beauchamp was a farmer. Either way, this statement should help remove the "dubious" ta)
More betterer, but the source doesn't just say "family of farmers", it says "well-to-do family of farmers" i.e. yeoman "strong farmers" or "gentleman farmers". It's obvious from other sources that the family was studded with colonels and generals, which implies, but doesn't guarantee the latter, as does the amazing collection of personal names.
The mention of a festschrift is useful; has anyone read it? It's also worth noting that it explicitly relates her low profile to her personality, rather than to blind prejudice. Anmccaff ( talk) 18:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
You have a choice here: find a source that says her social status was that of a child of gentleman farmers (or whatever text you are suggesting) or get your own research published in a peer reviewed journal with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, then we can cite it. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Tufnell and Christie herself both almost certainly show up fictionalized in Agatha Christie's work. Dunno if there is a decent cite to show for this easily available, though. Anmccaff ( talk) 19:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112118417200;view=1up;seq=9 Beth Pelet I burials. Anmccaff ( talk) 04:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Blanche's stepfather (?) appears to be Adolph Friedrich Lindemann, her father Benjamin Davidson. Fort's bio of Lindemann's kid would be worth looking at. This bunch gets more interesting. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC) PS:Lindemann's wife shows both as Mary and as Olga (Noble) Anmccaff ( talk) 07:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The Mormon genealogy site seems to confirm this; here's their extract of the 1891 census. So, Lord Cherwell was Blanche Tufnell's step-brother, and Olga's maternal grandmother was also Olga. Anmccaff ( talk)
...and, better still, Blanche's father seems to have done business with Schliemann in San Francisco. Lordy. Anmccaff ( talk) 09:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Although it's not obvious that Lindemann had any impact on Tufnell's life and works, it is probably worth a mention if the sourcing is solid. Even as a piece of trivia, it helps to flesh out her immediate family background. What text would you suggest should be included in the article? -- RexxS ( talk) 17:33, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I did remove the women scientists category but am not attached. My reasoning was that at the time Tufnell's work was less science related and more related to the practical aspects of archeology as well as writing. At that time scientific aspects of archeology were less developed if developed at all. Just a few thoughts and not attached to my edit.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 06:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC))