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Nominator: Dylan620 ( talk · contribs) 01:48, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: The Blue Rider ( talk · contribs) 13:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Lead
- Some tone related suggestions since there are no sources backing up such phrasing:
- major success → success
- enjoyed widespread acclaim → enjoyed critical acclaim
- @ The Blue Rider: Good suggestions; I've addressed this by switching the commerical tidbit to "enjoyed success" and the critical one to "was acclaimed". Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 16:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Background
- "had all released" sounds akward to me, maybe "each had released their respective albums"? (optional)
- Add wikilink to the three singers. (optional)
- It is worthy to clarify that The Record is an album: "...the album The Record and its..."
Writing and composition
- Add wikilink to vocal harmonies. (optional)
- Add wikilink to synthesizers. (optional)
- Add wikilink to bridge (music). (optional)
Response
Commercial performance
- Is Billboard's charts the only commercial performance that can be said about the song?
- Aside from the United States, it only charted in Ireland and on the Japan Hot Overseas chart. There isn't a direct link for each artist's performance on the JHO chart, so the only sources for that chart are the archives of each week's listing. I did find that the song spent nine non-consecutive weeks on that chart spread out over the course of nearly a year, plus it spent two non-consecutive weeks on the Ireland singles chart. I'm off to bed shortly, but I should be able to add more information tomorrow.
Dylan620 (he/him •
talk •
edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Noting that I've followed through on this. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Aside from the United States, it only charted in Ireland and on the Japan Hot Overseas chart. There isn't a direct link for each artist's performance on the JHO chart, so the only sources for that chart are the archives of each week's listing. I did find that the song spent nine non-consecutive weeks on that chart spread out over the course of nearly a year, plus it spent two non-consecutive weeks on the Ireland singles chart. I'm off to bed shortly, but I should be able to add more information tomorrow.
Dylan620 (he/him •
talk •
edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Critical reception
- Who is writing for Consequence?
- I have difficulties seeing this as encyclopedical: "In July 2023, Barack Obama included "Not Strong Enough" on his annual Summer Playlist, to which Dacus tweeted, "war criminal :("."
- I've removed this for now, although I should note that entering "barack obama summer playlist" into Wikipedia's search engine turned up multiple results for other songs'/artists' inclusions. The way this tidbit had been present in the article was a bit jarring, though, looking at it again. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Music video
- Add wikilink to tarot cards (optional).
- Specify that i-D is a magazine.
Live performances
- Specify that is Taylor Swift, for moments I thought you were talking about SWIFT.
Accolades
- Everything seems good.
Stability
- Last edited 2 days ago (1 April), no edit wars are in place, pass! The
Blue Rider
18:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Images
- Three images: two of them with the correct copyright status and suitable captions, but I am not sure about fair rationale's of the music video screenshot, we already have other pictures that identify the articles' subject.
Sources
- The numbers of the sources are from this revision. Checked source 2, 5, 8, 14, 47, 50, 61, 62 and 70.
- Source 61 nor 62 doesn't say anything about a Santa Monica Pier.
- @
The Blue Rider: Source 62 does mention the Santa Monica Pier, though :/
"Phoebe wanted the monster trucks bad," Lucy recalled. "I wanted to go to the Santa Monica Pier pretty bad because I just had never been."
I will concede that source 61 doesn't mention the SMP by name, but it does mention "hit[ting] up amusement parks", which implicitly refers to the SMP. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 16:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh my bad, I did control F to find for any mention but weirdly it didn't appear. All good, will be passing the article. The
Blue Rider
18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh my bad, I did control F to find for any mention but weirdly it didn't appear. All good, will be passing the article. The
Blue Rider
- @
The Blue Rider: Source 62 does mention the Santa Monica Pier, though :/
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Boygenius performing live in 2023
- ... that "
Not Strong Enough" by
Boygenius (pictured) describes conflicting mental states of self-hatred and self-importance? Source:
https://thefortyfive.com/news/boygenius-meaning-of-not-strong-enough/ ("Phoebe [Bridgers] has expressed it as self-hatred plus having a God complex – like, sometimes, you feel like you’re the best thing ever – and both of these states can be happening at the same time."),
https://americansongwriter.com/the-meaning-behind-boygenius-grammy-nominated-not-strong-enough/ ("'Self-hatred is a god complex sometimes,' Bridgers further explained in the Genius interview")
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Interesting song GA on many and substantial sources, no copyvio obvious. I wonder if "expresses" would be a better word than "describes". The licensed image is beautiful when large, but not captivating in stamp size. In case it is not taken, I believe that the word "song" should be added to the hook for clarity that it has to do with music. --
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Passed. The
Blue Rider
18:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
18:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Dylan620 ( talk · contribs) 01:48, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: The Blue Rider ( talk · contribs) 13:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Lead
- Some tone related suggestions since there are no sources backing up such phrasing:
- major success → success
- enjoyed widespread acclaim → enjoyed critical acclaim
- @ The Blue Rider: Good suggestions; I've addressed this by switching the commerical tidbit to "enjoyed success" and the critical one to "was acclaimed". Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 16:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Background
- "had all released" sounds akward to me, maybe "each had released their respective albums"? (optional)
- Add wikilink to the three singers. (optional)
- It is worthy to clarify that The Record is an album: "...the album The Record and its..."
Writing and composition
- Add wikilink to vocal harmonies. (optional)
- Add wikilink to synthesizers. (optional)
- Add wikilink to bridge (music). (optional)
Response
Commercial performance
- Is Billboard's charts the only commercial performance that can be said about the song?
- Aside from the United States, it only charted in Ireland and on the Japan Hot Overseas chart. There isn't a direct link for each artist's performance on the JHO chart, so the only sources for that chart are the archives of each week's listing. I did find that the song spent nine non-consecutive weeks on that chart spread out over the course of nearly a year, plus it spent two non-consecutive weeks on the Ireland singles chart. I'm off to bed shortly, but I should be able to add more information tomorrow.
Dylan620 (he/him •
talk •
edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Noting that I've followed through on this. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Aside from the United States, it only charted in Ireland and on the Japan Hot Overseas chart. There isn't a direct link for each artist's performance on the JHO chart, so the only sources for that chart are the archives of each week's listing. I did find that the song spent nine non-consecutive weeks on that chart spread out over the course of nearly a year, plus it spent two non-consecutive weeks on the Ireland singles chart. I'm off to bed shortly, but I should be able to add more information tomorrow.
Dylan620 (he/him •
talk •
edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Critical reception
- Who is writing for Consequence?
- I have difficulties seeing this as encyclopedical: "In July 2023, Barack Obama included "Not Strong Enough" on his annual Summer Playlist, to which Dacus tweeted, "war criminal :("."
- I've removed this for now, although I should note that entering "barack obama summer playlist" into Wikipedia's search engine turned up multiple results for other songs'/artists' inclusions. The way this tidbit had been present in the article was a bit jarring, though, looking at it again. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Music video
- Add wikilink to tarot cards (optional).
- Specify that i-D is a magazine.
Live performances
- Specify that is Taylor Swift, for moments I thought you were talking about SWIFT.
Accolades
- Everything seems good.
Stability
- Last edited 2 days ago (1 April), no edit wars are in place, pass! The
Blue Rider
18:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Images
- Three images: two of them with the correct copyright status and suitable captions, but I am not sure about fair rationale's of the music video screenshot, we already have other pictures that identify the articles' subject.
Sources
- The numbers of the sources are from this revision. Checked source 2, 5, 8, 14, 47, 50, 61, 62 and 70.
- Source 61 nor 62 doesn't say anything about a Santa Monica Pier.
- @
The Blue Rider: Source 62 does mention the Santa Monica Pier, though :/
"Phoebe wanted the monster trucks bad," Lucy recalled. "I wanted to go to the Santa Monica Pier pretty bad because I just had never been."
I will concede that source 61 doesn't mention the SMP by name, but it does mention "hit[ting] up amusement parks", which implicitly refers to the SMP. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 16:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh my bad, I did control F to find for any mention but weirdly it didn't appear. All good, will be passing the article. The
Blue Rider
18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh my bad, I did control F to find for any mention but weirdly it didn't appear. All good, will be passing the article. The
Blue Rider
- @
The Blue Rider: Source 62 does mention the Santa Monica Pier, though :/
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
( )
Boygenius performing live in 2023
- ... that "
Not Strong Enough" by
Boygenius (pictured) describes conflicting mental states of self-hatred and self-importance? Source:
https://thefortyfive.com/news/boygenius-meaning-of-not-strong-enough/ ("Phoebe [Bridgers] has expressed it as self-hatred plus having a God complex – like, sometimes, you feel like you’re the best thing ever – and both of these states can be happening at the same time."),
https://americansongwriter.com/the-meaning-behind-boygenius-grammy-nominated-not-strong-enough/ ("'Self-hatred is a god complex sometimes,' Bridgers further explained in the Genius interview")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Halfpenny (New Zealand coin)
- Comment: A QPQ is in fact required of me; the tool does not account for three nominations I did in 2009, making this my sixth overall.
Improved to Good Article status by
Dylan620 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Dylan620 (he/him •
talk •
edits) 22:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC).
Interesting song GA on many and substantial sources, no copyvio obvious. I wonder if "expresses" would be a better word than "describes". The licensed image is beautiful when large, but not captivating in stamp size. In case it is not taken, I believe that the word "song" should be added to the hook for clarity that it has to do with music. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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