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I thought it might be a good idea to start listing the different identifications which have been suggested for Nimrod and the reasons fore the identification. I just found out about yet another theory which IDs Nimrod as Lugalzaggisi and Asshur as Sargon. Zestauferov 14:48, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Is it correct to call Nimrod "a king of Assyria"? After all, we have a pretty detailed knowledge of the history of Assyria from the Chronicles, and they mention no one at all like Nimrod. Shouldn't he be called a "legendary King of Assyria" or some such? To call him a king of Assyria assumes that the Bible is an accurate source for the history of 2nd millennium BC Mesopotamia, which seems highly debatable, and, at the very least, POV. john k 00:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Has anyone read David Rohl's Legend: the Genesis of Civilization and The Lost Testament? From what I picked up in this dubious apocalyptic essay, he seems to equate Nimrod with Enmerkar of Uruk; I presume this because some old legends identify Nimrod as the builder of the Tower of Babel, and the story of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta has a couple of similarities to the Babel myth: a formerly unified language divided by divine intervention and the building of a great shrine. (The latter is not the cause of the former in the Sumerian version, though.) He also seems to identify Enmerkar/Nimrod as the origin of many ancient Near Eastern deities; this type of identification is not novel, but I suspect that the extent to which he takes it is. A summary of his theory, with proper context, would be beneficial: a long list of interpretationes attributed to "historians" in general—when in fact most of them come from one author of doubtful credibility—creates something of a misleading picture. —E. Underwood
Substantiating the Nimrod-Babel connection is a reference in Ether 2:1 in the Book of Mormon which states that when the Brother of Jared and company left the tower, they went to the valley of Nimrod which was northward and named after "the mighty hunter". Apparently somebody famous with that name was alive at the time. Possibly could have been known for his hunting prowess and his architectural skills.
In the bible, Nimrod, the Nubian, is the son of Cush (East Africa), son of Ham (the Black or Burnt, Khem in Egyptian), son of Noah. So why are Ham, Cush and Nimrod portrayed as white? How neurotic and insecure does the concept of western civilization have to be, to not even be able to acknowledge the African origin, let alone contribution, to history and mankind? Please go and argue how the Dinka and Nuer are really white. So if Nimrod has to be portrayed - obviously we don't have contemporary representations - then he should be portrayed as Nubian. Also, Nimrod has been identified by some with Osiris, which makes sense, considering the names Ausar, Assur, Assyria. Also, the oldest cryptographic writing is found in Kish (the Kish Tablet), which is very near Babylon, which was founded by Nimrod according to Genesis 10. 83.84.100.133 ( talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Kush is the ancestor of the kushite but he's not himself a kushite. So he wasn't black, same with Nimrod. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:5018:7100:10E0:E1A2:9C3A:1545 ( talk) 16:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Does a paragraph about an X-Men character really belong here? SlyGuyFox ( talk) 06:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
seriously? "therefore"? where did Ham go?
"The beginning of his kingdom was "Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar" -- Byblos, Arqa, Accho, Karne(Tartus) in Shenir(Lebanon)
On Nimrod's Akkad, this city seems to be Achar instead: https://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/eng/kbe/a/accad.html "Ac´cad, one of the five cities in 'the land of Shinar,' or Babylonia, which are said to have been built by Nimrod, or rather, to have been 'the beginning of his kingdom' (Genesis 10:10). It seems that several of the ancient translators found in their Hebrew MSS. Achar instead of Achad, and it is probable that this was really the name of the city." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:B8D1:9CC0:288:D9C9 ( talk) 07:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
If Noah's flood is Ahmose Flood, and Nimrod is the great grandson of Noah... then his timeline is a generation or 2 before "Rib-Adda" in Byblos and Niqm-addu I in Ugarit. These names are close to the Greek spelling of Nebrod. And Rib-Adda mentions nearby Arqa in the Amarna letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:400B:8C07:91C1:32B1 ( talk) 05:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Gilgamesh actually could be Nimrod because Babylon was apart of Mesopotamia. 2603:6011:1607:B300:55C8:4BD8:5D0F:3829 ( talk) 17:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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I thought it might be a good idea to start listing the different identifications which have been suggested for Nimrod and the reasons fore the identification. I just found out about yet another theory which IDs Nimrod as Lugalzaggisi and Asshur as Sargon. Zestauferov 14:48, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Is it correct to call Nimrod "a king of Assyria"? After all, we have a pretty detailed knowledge of the history of Assyria from the Chronicles, and they mention no one at all like Nimrod. Shouldn't he be called a "legendary King of Assyria" or some such? To call him a king of Assyria assumes that the Bible is an accurate source for the history of 2nd millennium BC Mesopotamia, which seems highly debatable, and, at the very least, POV. john k 00:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Has anyone read David Rohl's Legend: the Genesis of Civilization and The Lost Testament? From what I picked up in this dubious apocalyptic essay, he seems to equate Nimrod with Enmerkar of Uruk; I presume this because some old legends identify Nimrod as the builder of the Tower of Babel, and the story of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta has a couple of similarities to the Babel myth: a formerly unified language divided by divine intervention and the building of a great shrine. (The latter is not the cause of the former in the Sumerian version, though.) He also seems to identify Enmerkar/Nimrod as the origin of many ancient Near Eastern deities; this type of identification is not novel, but I suspect that the extent to which he takes it is. A summary of his theory, with proper context, would be beneficial: a long list of interpretationes attributed to "historians" in general—when in fact most of them come from one author of doubtful credibility—creates something of a misleading picture. —E. Underwood
Substantiating the Nimrod-Babel connection is a reference in Ether 2:1 in the Book of Mormon which states that when the Brother of Jared and company left the tower, they went to the valley of Nimrod which was northward and named after "the mighty hunter". Apparently somebody famous with that name was alive at the time. Possibly could have been known for his hunting prowess and his architectural skills.
In the bible, Nimrod, the Nubian, is the son of Cush (East Africa), son of Ham (the Black or Burnt, Khem in Egyptian), son of Noah. So why are Ham, Cush and Nimrod portrayed as white? How neurotic and insecure does the concept of western civilization have to be, to not even be able to acknowledge the African origin, let alone contribution, to history and mankind? Please go and argue how the Dinka and Nuer are really white. So if Nimrod has to be portrayed - obviously we don't have contemporary representations - then he should be portrayed as Nubian. Also, Nimrod has been identified by some with Osiris, which makes sense, considering the names Ausar, Assur, Assyria. Also, the oldest cryptographic writing is found in Kish (the Kish Tablet), which is very near Babylon, which was founded by Nimrod according to Genesis 10. 83.84.100.133 ( talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Kush is the ancestor of the kushite but he's not himself a kushite. So he wasn't black, same with Nimrod. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:5018:7100:10E0:E1A2:9C3A:1545 ( talk) 16:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Does a paragraph about an X-Men character really belong here? SlyGuyFox ( talk) 06:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
seriously? "therefore"? where did Ham go?
"The beginning of his kingdom was "Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar" -- Byblos, Arqa, Accho, Karne(Tartus) in Shenir(Lebanon)
On Nimrod's Akkad, this city seems to be Achar instead: https://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/eng/kbe/a/accad.html "Ac´cad, one of the five cities in 'the land of Shinar,' or Babylonia, which are said to have been built by Nimrod, or rather, to have been 'the beginning of his kingdom' (Genesis 10:10). It seems that several of the ancient translators found in their Hebrew MSS. Achar instead of Achad, and it is probable that this was really the name of the city." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:B8D1:9CC0:288:D9C9 ( talk) 07:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
If Noah's flood is Ahmose Flood, and Nimrod is the great grandson of Noah... then his timeline is a generation or 2 before "Rib-Adda" in Byblos and Niqm-addu I in Ugarit. These names are close to the Greek spelling of Nebrod. And Rib-Adda mentions nearby Arqa in the Amarna letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:400B:8C07:91C1:32B1 ( talk) 05:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Gilgamesh actually could be Nimrod because Babylon was apart of Mesopotamia. 2603:6011:1607:B300:55C8:4BD8:5D0F:3829 ( talk) 17:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)