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For quite some time the {{
copy to wiktionary}} template has been on this page, and it has still not been copied to wiktionary. Why is this?
Immunize (
talk) 14:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am a student in Introduction of Neuroscience course at Georgia Institute of Technology. I'm currently working on a wikipedia article that talks about neurooncology. Ahaldar3 ( talk) 19:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Overlink in section Neuro-oncology#Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology
Regardless of the fact that this material appears to be a copyright violation and does not contribute nearly as much to this article as it did to the article (aimed at clinicians, not average readers of WP) it originally appeared in, it does not benefit from drowning in a sea of blue and orange. The MOS position on overlinking states that
- An overlinked article contains an excessive number of links, making it difficult to identify links likely to aid the reader's understanding significantly. [1] A 2015 study of log data found that "in the English Wikipedia, of all the 800,000 links added ... in February 2015, the majority (66%) were not clicked even a single time in March 2015, and among the rest, most links were clicked only very rarely", and that "simply adding more links does not increase the overall number of clicks taken from a page. Instead, links compete with each other for user attention." [2]
It's possible that this user, whose first language is not English, wishes to facilitate understanding of the article with all these wikilinks. I don't believe that plan will work, as there are Wikipedias in other languages, and wikilinks are generally in the same language as the article in which they appear. Any comments or suggestions? I'm not averse to getting rid of the section, which, as I've said, contributes little to the article.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 22:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just noting I was pinged here by Wname1 from my talk page. Of course, I agree with Quisqualis here. Wname1, linking every word as you did here is way out of step with common practice at English Wikipedia. I'll look into the copyright issue with the first part of the list in a moment, but also I'd support just getting rid of the section as you suggested. I'm not sure this list adds much to anyone's understanding of neurooncology. Ajpolino ( talk) 22:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Dvorak, John C. (April 16, 2002). "Missing Links". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on August 6, 2011. Retrieved September 16, 2015.
- ^ Ashwin Paranjape, Bob West, Jure Leskovec, Leila Zia: Improving Website Hyperlink Structure Using Server Logs. WSDM’16, February 22–25, 2016, San Francisco, CA, USA. PDF
Hi all, the beginning of the Neuro-oncology#Clinical_problems_encountered_in_neuro-oncology section was flagged as a potential copyright violation because its first several items are identical to the list here. The content in question was added November 2012 and has remained unchanged since. It looks to me like Edelweiss publications is a relatively young predatory academic publisher. Their page hosting the tagged material is from a journal that began publication in 2018, and I can only find archived material from the publisher going back to 2016. So I'm guessing it's a case of them copying from Wikipedia rather than the other way around. I'll remove the tag for now. Thanks for flagging it. Ajpolino ( talk) 22:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, the other two flagged subsections have also both been in the article since November 2012. I started digging into them, but then remembered that life is short, and neither subsection seemed particularly useful (the cancer pain one is so vague as to apply to all cancers, and doesn't look particularly informative. The tumor-related epilepsy section is uncited, probably dated, and makes little sense in a neuro-oncology article) so I removed both instead. In my view, neither is large enough to justify revision deletion so I'll leave it at that. If folks feel the content there is worth investigating and potentially saving, I'm happy to be more helpful. Cheers. Ajpolino ( talk) 23:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The section Neuro-oncology#Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology, which matches word-for-word with http://edelweisspublications.com/keyword/43/194/Neuro-oncology., a page which may have copied the entire section text from another source. The section is intended for clinicians as an aid to managing patients with tumors of the neural and neural-associated tissues. Its utility to a layperson's understanding of neuro-oncology is at best minimal. The editor who added the section edited for about a month in 2012, then quit. Some of their other additions were also copyright violations. I am asking that this space-filling, low-utility section be removed from the article, as at best it will only confuse and/or bore readers. ajpolino has indicated agreement with my desire to omit this section.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 03:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Quisqualis:, yeah I noticed that too, and was going to comment on it. I first noticed content added in this edit of 20:37, 19 November 2012, which was one of a string of 72 edits over two days by Ahaldar3 ( talk · contribs). Curiously, another user readded some of this material, citing it to a source that does not support it. I haven't disentangled this all yet, but the re-add looks fishy to me; see next section below. In any case, the original edit(s), if confirmed as a copy of copyrighted material, needs to be WP:REVDELed, regardless whether it is or isn't currently in the article or not. Mathglot ( talk) 03:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
I've reverted 7kb of content added in this edit of 19:53, 20 March 2023, including added reference 10 (Thakur et al., 2012) because none of the content was supported by the reference. Here are two paragraphs excerpted from that edit, along with results of scanning the Thakur reference for some of the main concepts added in the edit:
Two excerpts, compared with the citation given
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The first paragraph added in rev. 1148450953 looked like this:
Here's what I found, searching Thakur-2012 for some key terms from this excerpt
Here's another excerpt from the reverted edit; same treatment of keywords follows:
Keyword counts searching Thakur-2012:
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Either the wrong reference was added for this material, or it was original research. Either way, the content was unsupported, and has been removed. Mathglot ( talk) 03:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Is the German "Neuroonkologie" article perhaps a bit more interesting than the English "Neuro-oncology"? Wname1 ( talk) 08:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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- Start-Class hematology-oncology articles
- Unknown-importance hematology-oncology articles
- Hematology-oncology task force articles
- Start-Class neurology articles
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- Neurology task force articles
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For quite some time the {{
copy to wiktionary}} template has been on this page, and it has still not been copied to wiktionary. Why is this?
Immunize (
talk) 14:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am a student in Introduction of Neuroscience course at Georgia Institute of Technology. I'm currently working on a wikipedia article that talks about neurooncology. Ahaldar3 ( talk) 19:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Overlink in section Neuro-oncology#Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology
Regardless of the fact that this material appears to be a copyright violation and does not contribute nearly as much to this article as it did to the article (aimed at clinicians, not average readers of WP) it originally appeared in, it does not benefit from drowning in a sea of blue and orange. The MOS position on overlinking states that
- An overlinked article contains an excessive number of links, making it difficult to identify links likely to aid the reader's understanding significantly. [1] A 2015 study of log data found that "in the English Wikipedia, of all the 800,000 links added ... in February 2015, the majority (66%) were not clicked even a single time in March 2015, and among the rest, most links were clicked only very rarely", and that "simply adding more links does not increase the overall number of clicks taken from a page. Instead, links compete with each other for user attention." [2]
It's possible that this user, whose first language is not English, wishes to facilitate understanding of the article with all these wikilinks. I don't believe that plan will work, as there are Wikipedias in other languages, and wikilinks are generally in the same language as the article in which they appear. Any comments or suggestions? I'm not averse to getting rid of the section, which, as I've said, contributes little to the article.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 22:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just noting I was pinged here by Wname1 from my talk page. Of course, I agree with Quisqualis here. Wname1, linking every word as you did here is way out of step with common practice at English Wikipedia. I'll look into the copyright issue with the first part of the list in a moment, but also I'd support just getting rid of the section as you suggested. I'm not sure this list adds much to anyone's understanding of neurooncology. Ajpolino ( talk) 22:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Dvorak, John C. (April 16, 2002). "Missing Links". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on August 6, 2011. Retrieved September 16, 2015.
- ^ Ashwin Paranjape, Bob West, Jure Leskovec, Leila Zia: Improving Website Hyperlink Structure Using Server Logs. WSDM’16, February 22–25, 2016, San Francisco, CA, USA. PDF
Hi all, the beginning of the Neuro-oncology#Clinical_problems_encountered_in_neuro-oncology section was flagged as a potential copyright violation because its first several items are identical to the list here. The content in question was added November 2012 and has remained unchanged since. It looks to me like Edelweiss publications is a relatively young predatory academic publisher. Their page hosting the tagged material is from a journal that began publication in 2018, and I can only find archived material from the publisher going back to 2016. So I'm guessing it's a case of them copying from Wikipedia rather than the other way around. I'll remove the tag for now. Thanks for flagging it. Ajpolino ( talk) 22:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, the other two flagged subsections have also both been in the article since November 2012. I started digging into them, but then remembered that life is short, and neither subsection seemed particularly useful (the cancer pain one is so vague as to apply to all cancers, and doesn't look particularly informative. The tumor-related epilepsy section is uncited, probably dated, and makes little sense in a neuro-oncology article) so I removed both instead. In my view, neither is large enough to justify revision deletion so I'll leave it at that. If folks feel the content there is worth investigating and potentially saving, I'm happy to be more helpful. Cheers. Ajpolino ( talk) 23:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The section Neuro-oncology#Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology, which matches word-for-word with http://edelweisspublications.com/keyword/43/194/Neuro-oncology., a page which may have copied the entire section text from another source. The section is intended for clinicians as an aid to managing patients with tumors of the neural and neural-associated tissues. Its utility to a layperson's understanding of neuro-oncology is at best minimal. The editor who added the section edited for about a month in 2012, then quit. Some of their other additions were also copyright violations. I am asking that this space-filling, low-utility section be removed from the article, as at best it will only confuse and/or bore readers. ajpolino has indicated agreement with my desire to omit this section.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 03:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Quisqualis:, yeah I noticed that too, and was going to comment on it. I first noticed content added in this edit of 20:37, 19 November 2012, which was one of a string of 72 edits over two days by Ahaldar3 ( talk · contribs). Curiously, another user readded some of this material, citing it to a source that does not support it. I haven't disentangled this all yet, but the re-add looks fishy to me; see next section below. In any case, the original edit(s), if confirmed as a copy of copyrighted material, needs to be WP:REVDELed, regardless whether it is or isn't currently in the article or not. Mathglot ( talk) 03:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
I've reverted 7kb of content added in this edit of 19:53, 20 March 2023, including added reference 10 (Thakur et al., 2012) because none of the content was supported by the reference. Here are two paragraphs excerpted from that edit, along with results of scanning the Thakur reference for some of the main concepts added in the edit:
Two excerpts, compared with the citation given
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|---|---|---|
|
The first paragraph added in rev. 1148450953 looked like this:
Here's what I found, searching Thakur-2012 for some key terms from this excerpt
Here's another excerpt from the reverted edit; same treatment of keywords follows:
Keyword counts searching Thakur-2012:
|
Either the wrong reference was added for this material, or it was original research. Either way, the content was unsupported, and has been removed. Mathglot ( talk) 03:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Is the German "Neuroonkologie" article perhaps a bit more interesting than the English "Neuro-oncology"? Wname1 ( talk) 08:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Start-Class medicine articles
- Mid-importance medicine articles
- Start-Class hematology-oncology articles
- Unknown-importance hematology-oncology articles
- Hematology-oncology task force articles
- Start-Class neurology articles
- Unknown-importance neurology articles
- Neurology task force articles
- All WikiProject Medicine articles
- Wikipedia articles as assignments