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The girl whom Goldschmidt abused has recently died and her name has now been made public by some media outlets (Willamette Week) but not all (The Oregonian). I don't think there is one Wikipedia policy that completely captures the issue of whether we should add the woman's name to the story. On one hand, Wikipedia is not censored of course, and sadly, WP:BLP not longer applies in this case; however, the victim was a minor at the time of the event which I think does have some impact to her survivors in terms of WP:BDP; and the name itself is not strictly relevant. In any case, I'd like some discussion here before we add the name to the article. I would also propose that the name be removed if added to the article until a consensus is reached here. A little thoughtful discussion seems appropriate. -- Esprqii ( talk) 06:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit by Mindbunny removed the mention of criticism of the Oregonian's coverage, with an edit summary indicating that the cited source does not really support the claim. Mindbunny, I wonder if maybe you didn't notice that the article linked (reference #1) is a multi-page story; the most relevant content is not on the article's first page. This paragraph is the key, though the issue is covered in numerous places throughout the article:
“ | Ughs reverberated through the Northwest that morning.
Outrage and incredulity flamed as Oregonian readers and journalists made their way through the Friday paper. They decried the A1 headline for glossing over the ugliness and criminality of Goldschmidt's actions. They slammed the editorial for failing to properly consider the victim. And they castigated the paper in general for burying Willamette Week's role in forcing Goldschmidt's confession. After all, they surmised, Goldschmidt came to the Oregonian for a reason. Or, as the Washington Post would later put it in an A1 story, if Goldschmidt confessed to the Oregonian in hopes of an easier ride, his strategy appeared to pay "coverage dividends." |
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As a resident of the state following the story in many publications, I can attest this is if anything an understatement. Many sources could be cited to reflect this, but this one -- by an out-of-state publication whose central purpose is to discuss the practice of journalism -- is really the best one. It's a true secondary source, where you might consider other publications primary sources in this instance. So I believe the content should stay as we had it; I believe this is a very well-cited, and a very important, point. - Pete ( talk) 01:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Proposal to include name of rape victim in the article.
The victim of the rape is now dead. The name of the victim has been, subsequently, revealed in the American media. When a person is dead, there is no sense in "protecting anonymity" (and, as the case may be, "dignity") because everyone who passes away has his/her life open for History, by default, and does not suffer, in any sense of the term, anything anymore. This is precisely the reason why in Wikipedia there is one set of rules for biographies of persons who have passed away and another set of (more robust) rules for biographies of living persons. Wouldn't it be a disservice to History if we were, for example, to hide the names of the victims of Jack the Ripper? (Note that there is no "statute of limitations" about this. There is simply a clear demarcation between living and dead persons.)-
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The girl whom Goldschmidt abused has recently died and her name has now been made public by some media outlets (Willamette Week) but not all (The Oregonian). I don't think there is one Wikipedia policy that completely captures the issue of whether we should add the woman's name to the story. On one hand, Wikipedia is not censored of course, and sadly, WP:BLP not longer applies in this case; however, the victim was a minor at the time of the event which I think does have some impact to her survivors in terms of WP:BDP; and the name itself is not strictly relevant. In any case, I'd like some discussion here before we add the name to the article. I would also propose that the name be removed if added to the article until a consensus is reached here. A little thoughtful discussion seems appropriate. -- Esprqii ( talk) 06:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit by Mindbunny removed the mention of criticism of the Oregonian's coverage, with an edit summary indicating that the cited source does not really support the claim. Mindbunny, I wonder if maybe you didn't notice that the article linked (reference #1) is a multi-page story; the most relevant content is not on the article's first page. This paragraph is the key, though the issue is covered in numerous places throughout the article:
“ | Ughs reverberated through the Northwest that morning.
Outrage and incredulity flamed as Oregonian readers and journalists made their way through the Friday paper. They decried the A1 headline for glossing over the ugliness and criminality of Goldschmidt's actions. They slammed the editorial for failing to properly consider the victim. And they castigated the paper in general for burying Willamette Week's role in forcing Goldschmidt's confession. After all, they surmised, Goldschmidt came to the Oregonian for a reason. Or, as the Washington Post would later put it in an A1 story, if Goldschmidt confessed to the Oregonian in hopes of an easier ride, his strategy appeared to pay "coverage dividends." |
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As a resident of the state following the story in many publications, I can attest this is if anything an understatement. Many sources could be cited to reflect this, but this one -- by an out-of-state publication whose central purpose is to discuss the practice of journalism -- is really the best one. It's a true secondary source, where you might consider other publications primary sources in this instance. So I believe the content should stay as we had it; I believe this is a very well-cited, and a very important, point. - Pete ( talk) 01:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Proposal to include name of rape victim in the article.
The victim of the rape is now dead. The name of the victim has been, subsequently, revealed in the American media. When a person is dead, there is no sense in "protecting anonymity" (and, as the case may be, "dignity") because everyone who passes away has his/her life open for History, by default, and does not suffer, in any sense of the term, anything anymore. This is precisely the reason why in Wikipedia there is one set of rules for biographies of persons who have passed away and another set of (more robust) rules for biographies of living persons. Wouldn't it be a disservice to History if we were, for example, to hide the names of the victims of Jack the Ripper? (Note that there is no "statute of limitations" about this. There is simply a clear demarcation between living and dead persons.)-
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