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NHS Nightingale Hospitals →
NHS COVID-19 critical care hospitals – Distinguish from the London hospital, which is known to be called NHS Nightingale Hospital London, from the national network of hospitals which may or may not bear the "Nightingale" name
The Anome (
talk) 18:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC) Request withdrawn. --
The Anome (
talk) 17:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto and Star-one: It's certainly the name over the door of one of the hospitals, and reported to be the planned name of two others, all three being in the NHS England area. We don't know whether the others will have the Nightingale name at the moment. Regardless of all of this, the NHS is a single entity from the viewpoint of national disaster planning (and branding, and in the public mind), and I don't think we need to have four articles, one for each of the devolved NHS regions, where one would do just fine. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Since the hospitals have been widely named as NHS Nightingale, that’s the sign over the door, and that is therefore what the reading public are going to be looking for, that’s what the article should be called. Star-one ( talk) 13:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Do we have any reliable sources supporting the UK-wide scope that has been asserted for the NHS Nightingale Hospitals?
Today, NHS England (just 'England' note) put out a press release [1] saying: "The NHS has confirmed that the new hospitals are being built in London, Birmingham and Manchester and other sites are being considered should the need arise." No mention of the Scottish or Welsh hospitals there.
Meanwhile, and also today, the Scottish government announced plans for a similar facility in Glasgow's SEC, but the name "Nightingale" hasn't been used for that. [2]
Similarly in Wales, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board put out a press release a few days ago [3] titled: "Cardiff and Vale University Health Board secures Principality Stadium as Field Hospital in plans for tackling Covid-19". Nothing about "Nightingale Hospitals" in there either, or the English or Scottish hospitals.
Isn't this (the 'Nightingale' Hospitals) just an NHS England initiative? -- DeFacto ( talk). 13:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto:, I think may understand the difference in our opinions on this. You want an article on the NHS England initative, yes? I want there to be an article on the national effort, which encompasses all the regions, and of course subsumes the NHS England effort. Let's create both! Agreed?
Then we can merge the NHS England article, and any other regional article, into the national one in due course. -- The Anome ( talk) 14:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
You want an article on the NHS England initative, yes?. Not necessarily. All I want is for this article (NHS Nightingale Hospitals) to cover exactly what it says on the tin - the NHS Nightingale Hospitals. And all we have, in the reliable sources at the moment, on that subject is what NHS England have announced. All the other home nations have announced separate schemes too, but as far as I can see from the sources, none of those use the branding "NHS Nightingale Hospital". For now, I'd say cover the other three in a section in their respective NHS articles. -- DeFacto ( talk). 14:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto: I didn't realize that was your only stipulation. Here are four that took me less than five minutes to find:
All of these articles discuss the field hospital building as a national phenomenon. -- The Anome ( talk) 16:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Update: since I have now provided the evidence you required, I've created a new article, NHS COVID-19 critical care hospitals, to encompass the UK-wide initiative, and trimmed this article down to just the NHS England Nightingale Hospitals. I hope this resolves this issue. If you wish to merge the articles at some later stage, you are welcome to do so. -- The Anome ( talk) 17:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It's a UK-wide effort. The British military is being used to build it and COBRA is leading the UK response. Erzan ( talk) 17:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
The article header specifies that there are three Nightingales, the text says there are four Nightingales, and the table says there are five Nightingales. Plus the definition seems blurred: is "Nightingale" used for those hospitals with "Nightingale" over the door, is it a generic term for emergency hospitals, what? What are the names of these hospitals: will the facility in Bristol actually be called "NHS Nightingale [Bristol]" and, if not, what will it be called? I appreciate that this is a fast-moving situation and so these questions may not be answerable at the moment, but some improvement in clarity would be welcome. Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 23:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Another new article today, highlighting that a second Nightingale Hospital is being established in Northern Ireland. [9], yet this article continues to make out as though The "Nightingale Hospitals" are only in England. Even if the individual hospitals are called something different, they are still clearly what the media and UK Government are referring to as Nightingale Hospitals and the article should reflect that. RWB2020 ( talk) 11:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I just reverted a move of this article to NHS England Nightingale Hospitals by Llemiles. Please allow editors to discuss proposed moves, and wait for a consensus to be reached, before moving the article. -- DeFacto ( talk). 17:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus against this move b uidh e 00:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
NHS Nightingale Hospitals →
NHS England Nightingale Hospitals – There is clearly a difference between the operational National Health Services, or officially the Health and Social Care department in Northern Ireland. It is important that we distinguish that this article only relates to hospitals managed and operated by NHS England, and that other coronavirus hospitals, whether named Nightingale or not, are not dealt with here. Feels to me that there is an important need to follow the practice of
History of the National Health Service (England) and
List of hospitals in England that we treat major policies of each NHS country as independent, and provide
WP:PRECISION. See my earlier comments above as of 16:17, 17 April 2020.
Llemiles (
talk) 13:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Criticism here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/29/matt-hancock-hospitals-warped-priorities-cost-lives-coronavirus Kaihsu ( talk) 20:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I feel standby is being used in two difference contexts here. In the spring 2020 the hospitals were being stood down to standby indicating the probability they would not be needed .... and in Autumn 2020 we are seeing stood up to standby to prepare for possible use with a few short weeks. I find it unhelpful standby being used in both these contexts in the same section. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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The contents of the NHS Nightingale Hospitals page were merged into COVID-19 hospitals in the United Kingdom on 22 Ocotober 2020 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
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It was proposed in this section that
NHS Nightingale Hospitals be
renamed and moved to
NHS COVID-19 critical care hospitals.
result: Links:
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target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
NHS Nightingale Hospitals →
NHS COVID-19 critical care hospitals – Distinguish from the London hospital, which is known to be called NHS Nightingale Hospital London, from the national network of hospitals which may or may not bear the "Nightingale" name
The Anome (
talk) 18:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC) Request withdrawn. --
The Anome (
talk) 17:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto and Star-one: It's certainly the name over the door of one of the hospitals, and reported to be the planned name of two others, all three being in the NHS England area. We don't know whether the others will have the Nightingale name at the moment. Regardless of all of this, the NHS is a single entity from the viewpoint of national disaster planning (and branding, and in the public mind), and I don't think we need to have four articles, one for each of the devolved NHS regions, where one would do just fine. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Since the hospitals have been widely named as NHS Nightingale, that’s the sign over the door, and that is therefore what the reading public are going to be looking for, that’s what the article should be called. Star-one ( talk) 13:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Do we have any reliable sources supporting the UK-wide scope that has been asserted for the NHS Nightingale Hospitals?
Today, NHS England (just 'England' note) put out a press release [1] saying: "The NHS has confirmed that the new hospitals are being built in London, Birmingham and Manchester and other sites are being considered should the need arise." No mention of the Scottish or Welsh hospitals there.
Meanwhile, and also today, the Scottish government announced plans for a similar facility in Glasgow's SEC, but the name "Nightingale" hasn't been used for that. [2]
Similarly in Wales, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board put out a press release a few days ago [3] titled: "Cardiff and Vale University Health Board secures Principality Stadium as Field Hospital in plans for tackling Covid-19". Nothing about "Nightingale Hospitals" in there either, or the English or Scottish hospitals.
Isn't this (the 'Nightingale' Hospitals) just an NHS England initiative? -- DeFacto ( talk). 13:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto:, I think may understand the difference in our opinions on this. You want an article on the NHS England initative, yes? I want there to be an article on the national effort, which encompasses all the regions, and of course subsumes the NHS England effort. Let's create both! Agreed?
Then we can merge the NHS England article, and any other regional article, into the national one in due course. -- The Anome ( talk) 14:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
You want an article on the NHS England initative, yes?. Not necessarily. All I want is for this article (NHS Nightingale Hospitals) to cover exactly what it says on the tin - the NHS Nightingale Hospitals. And all we have, in the reliable sources at the moment, on that subject is what NHS England have announced. All the other home nations have announced separate schemes too, but as far as I can see from the sources, none of those use the branding "NHS Nightingale Hospital". For now, I'd say cover the other three in a section in their respective NHS articles. -- DeFacto ( talk). 14:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@ DeFacto: I didn't realize that was your only stipulation. Here are four that took me less than five minutes to find:
All of these articles discuss the field hospital building as a national phenomenon. -- The Anome ( talk) 16:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Update: since I have now provided the evidence you required, I've created a new article, NHS COVID-19 critical care hospitals, to encompass the UK-wide initiative, and trimmed this article down to just the NHS England Nightingale Hospitals. I hope this resolves this issue. If you wish to merge the articles at some later stage, you are welcome to do so. -- The Anome ( talk) 17:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It's a UK-wide effort. The British military is being used to build it and COBRA is leading the UK response. Erzan ( talk) 17:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
The article header specifies that there are three Nightingales, the text says there are four Nightingales, and the table says there are five Nightingales. Plus the definition seems blurred: is "Nightingale" used for those hospitals with "Nightingale" over the door, is it a generic term for emergency hospitals, what? What are the names of these hospitals: will the facility in Bristol actually be called "NHS Nightingale [Bristol]" and, if not, what will it be called? I appreciate that this is a fast-moving situation and so these questions may not be answerable at the moment, but some improvement in clarity would be welcome. Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 23:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Another new article today, highlighting that a second Nightingale Hospital is being established in Northern Ireland. [9], yet this article continues to make out as though The "Nightingale Hospitals" are only in England. Even if the individual hospitals are called something different, they are still clearly what the media and UK Government are referring to as Nightingale Hospitals and the article should reflect that. RWB2020 ( talk) 11:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I just reverted a move of this article to NHS England Nightingale Hospitals by Llemiles. Please allow editors to discuss proposed moves, and wait for a consensus to be reached, before moving the article. -- DeFacto ( talk). 17:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus against this move b uidh e 00:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
NHS Nightingale Hospitals →
NHS England Nightingale Hospitals – There is clearly a difference between the operational National Health Services, or officially the Health and Social Care department in Northern Ireland. It is important that we distinguish that this article only relates to hospitals managed and operated by NHS England, and that other coronavirus hospitals, whether named Nightingale or not, are not dealt with here. Feels to me that there is an important need to follow the practice of
History of the National Health Service (England) and
List of hospitals in England that we treat major policies of each NHS country as independent, and provide
WP:PRECISION. See my earlier comments above as of 16:17, 17 April 2020.
Llemiles (
talk) 13:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Criticism here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/29/matt-hancock-hospitals-warped-priorities-cost-lives-coronavirus Kaihsu ( talk) 20:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I feel standby is being used in two difference contexts here. In the spring 2020 the hospitals were being stood down to standby indicating the probability they would not be needed .... and in Autumn 2020 we are seeing stood up to standby to prepare for possible use with a few short weeks. I find it unhelpful standby being used in both these contexts in the same section. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)