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I've tagged the article so that the editor's attention is drawn towards the issues, while some sections may be improved by individual editors, the article as an whole may need a revamp to change its tone and content to comply with encyclopedic standards. Regards -- Ab207 ( talk) 14:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
This cleanup todos list is being updated regularly when some re-work is done. As of 28 February 2022 [update]:
[...] he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati.Determine RS for the book. Update 1 August 2021: Sourced from book Special:Diff/1036623047
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We used to grow sugarcane, then make jaggery.I missed it yesterday. -- DaxServer ( talk) 17:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
[...] started off as a students' union leader in Sri Venkateswara University while pursuing his Masters in Economics.-- DaxServer ( talk) 18:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Alalch E.: Some sections contain the information about other personalities not focussing on this subject can you refer to the above consensus to add the respective past editors content or atleast allow me to edit now? (Seeking permission because I don't want to interrupt your editting) Thank you 456legend( talk) 15:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I will be considering this and working upon it since previous editors also quit working on this article. 456legend( talk) 16:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I've added the Covid section ( Special:Diff/1024060044/1024851939) in late-May. The case has been dormant and probably forgotten by the media. I propose its removal citing comments by a politician, and that they comment on whole lot of things, most of which are simply politics and non-notable. -- DaxServer ( talk) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Is it significant because of the massacre of TDP members? Should it be expanded? Or be removed as politicians agitate and are arrested all the time? Unlike Jagan, CBN was never in jail, wasn't he? -- DaxServer ( talk) 17:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
This section is to discuss content that could be sourced from the book ISBN 9789387146587. -- DaxServer ( talk) 18:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #4 [...] Naidu is the eldest of the four siblings and has a younger brother Nara Ramamurthy Naidu and two younger sisters, Rajeswari and Hymavathi.
This seems to be okay to source. Should we add names, or simply say a younger brother and two younger sisters him being the eldest?
-- DaxServer (
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Page #4 Born to Nara Kharjura Naidu and Amanamma on 20 April 1950, [...]
I think the note in the article stating a spelling variant could be dropped. Do we want to cite this book along with Rediff?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 14:18, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Page #7 Once he got the idea generating income from sugarcane cultivation, Chandrababu and his friends took up jaggery production and sold 75 kgs of jaggery.
Could this be sourced as "During his childhood, along with his friends, he sold jaggery for income."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
BA from Sri Venkateswara Arts College. Page #7 Later, he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati.
Looks okay to me. Year 1972 is sourced from Rediff.
-- DaxServer (
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Reason for dropping of PhD. Page #8 However, Naidu discontinued his PhD die to his uninhibited interest in student politics.
Could this be sourced as "(from article:) ... but did not complete his PhD because of his interests in politics."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Chairman of SVU Economics department while he was a student. Page #8-9 At that time, the University had 32 departments, and each department had a chairman, elected by the students. In turn, they elect the chairman of the college. Naidu, a student of economics, who was also the chairman of the department, did not contest for the college championship. Instead, he succeeded in getting his man elected and gained an upper hand over his opponents in the student election.
Could this be sourced as "During his education at SBU, he was elected as the chairman of the Economics department, in which he is a student of."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Collecting donations for
1977 Andhra Pradesh cyclone. Page #9 Following the 1977 cyclone, which devastated the Diviseema Taluk of Krishna District, he actively collected donations and relief from Chittoor District for cyclone victims.
Could this be sourced in Early political career, or an appropriate chronological biographical order?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Being offered a lectureship at SVU. Page #9-10 Soon after, he left his Alma Mater, Naidu had three options to choose as his career path. [...] Kotha Satchidananda Murthy, a Buddhist scholar, who was serving as the Vice-Chancellor of SVU, offered Naidu lectureship at the university. [...] Finally, he zeroed in on entering active politics as it would give him the opportunity to serve active politics.
Could this be sourced as "After he left his Alma Mater at SVU, he was offered a lectureship at the university, which he did not take upon."? The Economic Times source says that he dropped PhD after he become a minister.
[1] Perhaps he was offered after his Masters?
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-- DaxServer ( talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Wanted to contest in MLC elections. Psge #10 By then, the 24-year-old Naidu was growing restless and wanted to try his hand at MLC elections from Teacher's Constituency in Chittoor district. As the minimum age to contest as a public representative was 25, Naidu dropped the idea.
This would go into Early political career if sourced, in an appropriate wording.
-- DaxServer (
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1976 MLC election nomination. Page #10 In 1976, when the Council sear fell vacant from the Teacher's Constituency, senior Congress leader N Janardhan Reddy, who later became Chief Minister, had put up his nominee Anam Sanjiva Reddy while Naidu, who was a student leader, filed his nomination. That was when Janardhan Reddy had sent a word to Naidu that he was going to lose the nomination anyway. But, if he withdrew, Janardhan Reddy would help him grow politically at the appropriate time. This time came soon as Reddy suggested Naidu's name to the Congress high command against the wishes of Amarnath Reddy, who was the most influential leader in Chittoor District. Vengal Rao agreed to Naidu's nomination and so did the then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi.
To source: that he filed nomination for MLC election, but did not contest? Could "..., but did not contest upon an intimation from Janardhan Reddy", this seems a bit murky. How could it be structured?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Jalagam Vengala Rao's suggestion to support Zilla Parishad elections. Page #10 (continued from above citation.) During this time, he got an opportunity to meet the then Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Jalagam Vengal Rao, who suggested him to plat an active role in Zilla Parishad (local body) elections.
Do we source the interaction with Vengala Rao? The details seem not so strong as the others.
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
1978 ticket because of belonging to
Kamma (caste). Page #11 The Congress (I) as a strategy, was looking for younger people to take on the stalwarts to counter the Reddy hegemony in the district. As a candidate belonging to the Kamma community, Naidu was chosen and given the ticket.
-- DaxServer (
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Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced as "He belongs to/born in a Kamma family."? -- DaxServer ( talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced for him belonging to/born in a Telugu family? Looks like synthesis to me? -- DaxServer ( talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #11 See above for quote. This would clear that he joined Congress (I) (Indira Gandhi's), one of the todos in the section above. -- DaxServer ( talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Family help for 1978 campaign. Page #11 In his initial years in politics, Naidu's election campaigning included his family's contribution too. While he, along with his brother and cousins, planned strategies [...] his mother woke up early in the morning and prepared sambar rice and curd rice (for party workers). Naidu's sisters rallied girl students from the University in Tirupati [...]
Could this be sourced as "He won the 1978 election, with the support during campaigning from his family."? Or "His family supported and campaigned for him." in the 1978 section?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Bill Clinton. Page #11 [...] on the other end of the world in the United States, his friend and future President of the United States of America, Bill Clinton (who he was destined to meet), become the Governor of Arkansas in the same year [...]
Please put this on-hold until I could gather further details about Clinton in the book.
-- DaxServer (
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Page #11-12 He was a huge admirer of Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao's (NTR) movies and adored the top Telugu star. During his term as the minister for cinematography, Naidu met NTR's son Nandamuri Jayakrishna who was a noted cinematographer and exhibitor of the time. He requested Jayakrishna to set up a meeting with NT Rama Rao as he wanted to meet his favourite actor. His fanboy dream came true when Naidu met his future father-in-law [...]
Could this be sourced, minus the author's expression of his admiration?
-- DaxServer (
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Marriage day. Page #12 It was decided that the wedding would be held in Madras (now Chennai), which was the hub if Telugu and Tamil film industry. [...] On 10 September 1981, the day of the wedding, film star, politician and cultural icon of Tamil Nadu MG Ramachandran, a close friend of NTR attended the wedding. The then Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Anjaiah and his cabinet ministers, [...]
I see four items that could be sourced: Marriage day. Marriage place. MGR and Anjaiah being one of the guests. NTR and MGR being [close] friends on their articles, if not sourced already, but this is secondary.
-- DaxServer (
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Naidu expressing interest in working with NTR before TDP is formed. Page #13 The final straw came when Rajiv Gandhi, [...], lublicly rebucked Anjaiah at Hyderabad's Begumpet airport [...] This incident led to a public outcry and the demand for Telugus' "atma gauravam" (self-respect of Telugus) was highlighted by NTR. Amidst such political instability in the state, Naidu informed his father-in-law about hhis interest in working with him. However, NTR had convinced Naidu to remain with the Congress as it was an established party and that he was growing in his political career, unline the one he was planning to launch.
Could this be sourced?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Viewed as untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party. Page #13 (continued from above citation.) This period was one of the most testing times for Naidu as he as being viewed as a untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party as his father-in-law was gearing up to launch a new political party.
Could this be sourced?
-- DaxServer (
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Return to Tirupati as 1983 defeat. Page #14 In the 1983 election, Naidu lost his bid for re-election to the assembly from the Congress and returned to Tirupati to start a business.
Could this be sourced? Details about business were not said.
-- DaxServer (
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Joining TDP. Page #14 (continued from above citation.) After NTR's call in the following year, Naidu joined the TDP to help his father-in-law in strengthening the party.
Is that 1983 or 1984? The India Today source infers 1983.
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It's true fact 123.201.208.175 ( talk) 18:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Kindly reach to the concensus and follow up the previous concensus by the previous editors in another section on this talk page.
Provide sources before adding any content. Disruptive edits are not accepted as per Wikipedia.
Some of the content here is highly questionable since the original content by the previous editors was deleted and replaced by a new editor in his/her tone. And this problem was not addressed at the right time. 456legend( talk) 16:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Chinnusaikrish Why did you revert my edits as well as that of the other editor? I did not remove any incidents or present anything in a substantively different way. Those were simple incremental edits meant to improve structure. Very very little was removed by myself, such as the word "miserably" which is unencyclopedic WP:TONE. Please restore all those edits of mine which you don't actually object to, and we will discuss those that you do object to. Regards — Alalch E. 18:33, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
@ ChinnusaikrishThe tone that you added is clearly disruptive and is not according to the concensus. Most of the sources you cited belong to unreliable websites- not secured as per Wikipedia. There's clearly no point of neutrality. Other sources are mere political statements by people from other parties as part of political allegations cannot be taken as souces. There must be strong evidence of secondary sources. 456legend( talk) 18:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
hello @ User:Alalch E., I reverted his edits as of now again. We will wait from hom to discuss. 456legend( talk) 18:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Chandrababu Naidu who had just escaped from an assination attempt thought of having an advantage of sympathy.-- I completely agree with your removal. That is an example of the prohibited practice of original synthesis. — Alalch E. 17:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
@
456legend: Your major rewrite of the whole article, while probably good in various parts seems to have removed all criticism of Naidu which is against
WP:NPOV; please remake this change in a series of incremental edits (section by section) so it's easier to review; some references were removed too such as
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/chandrababu-naidus-son-nara-lokesh-takes-oath-as-minister/article17762250.ece
Sincerely. —
Alalch E. 12:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Alalch E., I have added the criticism part again as a separate section since the previous editor removed the other content. I am still in the process of correcting the data after the analysis of the sources since most of the sources were not claiming any statements. 456legend( talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Alalch E. ( talk · contribs) I grouped them because the information was not consistent with any of the categories present. None of the sources actually put forward those particular statements that is present in criticism, but just give a cite about the info. But I ensured to not delete the consistent information for example: the defeat in the 2009 and the backlash from farmers, the criticism of the Opposition and also the cash for vote scam. I haven't removed any of them because it was consistent with the information and was very much neutral like any other wiki article. Anyways you are free to add any further criticism if necessary citations are available and also you are allowed to de-integrate the grouped criticism and add it in the other categories if you feel they are consistent. Other than this, the rest of the info that I have added is sourced content that has been removed unexplained 1 month ago. I hope you analysize the edit history and the article and reach me out for any discussion or concensus if required. 456legend( talk) 17:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Page is full of misleads and previous pages are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhal.sasthry ( talk • contribs) 06:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Chandrababu Naidu's involvement in national politics during an era dominated by non-Congress coalition politics in Delhi is notable. [1] In the aftermath of the 1996 parliamentary elections, he assumed the role of convenor for the United Front, a coalition comprising 13 political parties that secured power at the Centre. The coalition government was headed by H.D. Deve Gowda and later I.K. Gujral between 1996 and 1998. The United Front had its headquarters at Andhra Pradesh Bhavan in New Delhi.
Subsequently, Chandrababu Naidu's significance in national affairs amplified after the 1999 Lok Sabha elections.The TDP and the BJP, which had a pre-poll understanding in the state, together won 36 MPs out of 42. [2] The BJP emerged as the largest single party in the Lok Sabha. The TDP extended the support of 29 of its MPs to the National Democratic Alliance government headed by A.B.Vajpayee. [3] TDP did not join the government, extending only ‘issue-based support’. [4] Naidu claimed that though Vajpayee offered eight cabinet berths to his party, the TDP stayed away from the union cabinet and offered external support. [5] Salivahana ( talk) 16:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Alalch E. Seems u mistook and didn't clearly follow my explanation. I don't intend to present anything in a negative tone but rather in the present status and position of a politician. A politician's recent major electoral achievement or debacle has to be established which were present in my edits. This has nothing to do with the violation of the policy as a politician holds a position in the governmental/public activity. So that has to be represented for a clear understanding of his present status which I did. The lead section added by you has no citations and many of it are way out of context.
Some of it follows: He directed the founding of HITEC city which is false as that was inaugurated and directed by former CM Janardhan Reddy. You even added a sentence about directing the construction of new capital city which is not yet completed or in the mid-way and the matter is sub-judice in the court. These are not needed since they had already been present in the page's respective sections. Mine looks crisp and up to the point. ~ Chinnusaikrish ( talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've tagged the article so that the editor's attention is drawn towards the issues, while some sections may be improved by individual editors, the article as an whole may need a revamp to change its tone and content to comply with encyclopedic standards. Regards -- Ab207 ( talk) 14:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
This cleanup todos list is being updated regularly when some re-work is done. As of 28 February 2022 [update]:
[...] he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati.Determine RS for the book. Update 1 August 2021: Sourced from book Special:Diff/1036623047
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We used to grow sugarcane, then make jaggery.I missed it yesterday. -- DaxServer ( talk) 17:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
[...] started off as a students' union leader in Sri Venkateswara University while pursuing his Masters in Economics.-- DaxServer ( talk) 18:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Alalch E.: Some sections contain the information about other personalities not focussing on this subject can you refer to the above consensus to add the respective past editors content or atleast allow me to edit now? (Seeking permission because I don't want to interrupt your editting) Thank you 456legend( talk) 15:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I will be considering this and working upon it since previous editors also quit working on this article. 456legend( talk) 16:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I've added the Covid section ( Special:Diff/1024060044/1024851939) in late-May. The case has been dormant and probably forgotten by the media. I propose its removal citing comments by a politician, and that they comment on whole lot of things, most of which are simply politics and non-notable. -- DaxServer ( talk) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Is it significant because of the massacre of TDP members? Should it be expanded? Or be removed as politicians agitate and are arrested all the time? Unlike Jagan, CBN was never in jail, wasn't he? -- DaxServer ( talk) 17:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
This section is to discuss content that could be sourced from the book ISBN 9789387146587. -- DaxServer ( talk) 18:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #4 [...] Naidu is the eldest of the four siblings and has a younger brother Nara Ramamurthy Naidu and two younger sisters, Rajeswari and Hymavathi.
This seems to be okay to source. Should we add names, or simply say a younger brother and two younger sisters him being the eldest?
-- DaxServer (
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Page #4 Born to Nara Kharjura Naidu and Amanamma on 20 April 1950, [...]
I think the note in the article stating a spelling variant could be dropped. Do we want to cite this book along with Rediff?
-- DaxServer (
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Page #7 Once he got the idea generating income from sugarcane cultivation, Chandrababu and his friends took up jaggery production and sold 75 kgs of jaggery.
Could this be sourced as "During his childhood, along with his friends, he sold jaggery for income."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
BA from Sri Venkateswara Arts College. Page #7 Later, he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati.
Looks okay to me. Year 1972 is sourced from Rediff.
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Reason for dropping of PhD. Page #8 However, Naidu discontinued his PhD die to his uninhibited interest in student politics.
Could this be sourced as "(from article:) ... but did not complete his PhD because of his interests in politics."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Chairman of SVU Economics department while he was a student. Page #8-9 At that time, the University had 32 departments, and each department had a chairman, elected by the students. In turn, they elect the chairman of the college. Naidu, a student of economics, who was also the chairman of the department, did not contest for the college championship. Instead, he succeeded in getting his man elected and gained an upper hand over his opponents in the student election.
Could this be sourced as "During his education at SBU, he was elected as the chairman of the Economics department, in which he is a student of."?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Collecting donations for
1977 Andhra Pradesh cyclone. Page #9 Following the 1977 cyclone, which devastated the Diviseema Taluk of Krishna District, he actively collected donations and relief from Chittoor District for cyclone victims.
Could this be sourced in Early political career, or an appropriate chronological biographical order?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Being offered a lectureship at SVU. Page #9-10 Soon after, he left his Alma Mater, Naidu had three options to choose as his career path. [...] Kotha Satchidananda Murthy, a Buddhist scholar, who was serving as the Vice-Chancellor of SVU, offered Naidu lectureship at the university. [...] Finally, he zeroed in on entering active politics as it would give him the opportunity to serve active politics.
Could this be sourced as "After he left his Alma Mater at SVU, he was offered a lectureship at the university, which he did not take upon."? The Economic Times source says that he dropped PhD after he become a minister.
[1] Perhaps he was offered after his Masters?
References
-- DaxServer ( talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Wanted to contest in MLC elections. Psge #10 By then, the 24-year-old Naidu was growing restless and wanted to try his hand at MLC elections from Teacher's Constituency in Chittoor district. As the minimum age to contest as a public representative was 25, Naidu dropped the idea.
This would go into Early political career if sourced, in an appropriate wording.
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
1976 MLC election nomination. Page #10 In 1976, when the Council sear fell vacant from the Teacher's Constituency, senior Congress leader N Janardhan Reddy, who later became Chief Minister, had put up his nominee Anam Sanjiva Reddy while Naidu, who was a student leader, filed his nomination. That was when Janardhan Reddy had sent a word to Naidu that he was going to lose the nomination anyway. But, if he withdrew, Janardhan Reddy would help him grow politically at the appropriate time. This time came soon as Reddy suggested Naidu's name to the Congress high command against the wishes of Amarnath Reddy, who was the most influential leader in Chittoor District. Vengal Rao agreed to Naidu's nomination and so did the then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi.
To source: that he filed nomination for MLC election, but did not contest? Could "..., but did not contest upon an intimation from Janardhan Reddy", this seems a bit murky. How could it be structured?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Jalagam Vengala Rao's suggestion to support Zilla Parishad elections. Page #10 (continued from above citation.) During this time, he got an opportunity to meet the then Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Jalagam Vengal Rao, who suggested him to plat an active role in Zilla Parishad (local body) elections.
Do we source the interaction with Vengala Rao? The details seem not so strong as the others.
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
1978 ticket because of belonging to
Kamma (caste). Page #11 The Congress (I) as a strategy, was looking for younger people to take on the stalwarts to counter the Reddy hegemony in the district. As a candidate belonging to the Kamma community, Naidu was chosen and given the ticket.
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced as "He belongs to/born in a Kamma family."? -- DaxServer ( talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced for him belonging to/born in a Telugu family? Looks like synthesis to me? -- DaxServer ( talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Page #11 See above for quote. This would clear that he joined Congress (I) (Indira Gandhi's), one of the todos in the section above. -- DaxServer ( talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Family help for 1978 campaign. Page #11 In his initial years in politics, Naidu's election campaigning included his family's contribution too. While he, along with his brother and cousins, planned strategies [...] his mother woke up early in the morning and prepared sambar rice and curd rice (for party workers). Naidu's sisters rallied girl students from the University in Tirupati [...]
Could this be sourced as "He won the 1978 election, with the support during campaigning from his family."? Or "His family supported and campaigned for him." in the 1978 section?
-- DaxServer (
talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Bill Clinton. Page #11 [...] on the other end of the world in the United States, his friend and future President of the United States of America, Bill Clinton (who he was destined to meet), become the Governor of Arkansas in the same year [...]
Please put this on-hold until I could gather further details about Clinton in the book.
-- DaxServer (
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Page #11-12 He was a huge admirer of Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao's (NTR) movies and adored the top Telugu star. During his term as the minister for cinematography, Naidu met NTR's son Nandamuri Jayakrishna who was a noted cinematographer and exhibitor of the time. He requested Jayakrishna to set up a meeting with NT Rama Rao as he wanted to meet his favourite actor. His fanboy dream came true when Naidu met his future father-in-law [...]
Could this be sourced, minus the author's expression of his admiration?
-- DaxServer (
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Marriage day. Page #12 It was decided that the wedding would be held in Madras (now Chennai), which was the hub if Telugu and Tamil film industry. [...] On 10 September 1981, the day of the wedding, film star, politician and cultural icon of Tamil Nadu MG Ramachandran, a close friend of NTR attended the wedding. The then Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Anjaiah and his cabinet ministers, [...]
I see four items that could be sourced: Marriage day. Marriage place. MGR and Anjaiah being one of the guests. NTR and MGR being [close] friends on their articles, if not sourced already, but this is secondary.
-- DaxServer (
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Naidu expressing interest in working with NTR before TDP is formed. Page #13 The final straw came when Rajiv Gandhi, [...], lublicly rebucked Anjaiah at Hyderabad's Begumpet airport [...] This incident led to a public outcry and the demand for Telugus' "atma gauravam" (self-respect of Telugus) was highlighted by NTR. Amidst such political instability in the state, Naidu informed his father-in-law about hhis interest in working with him. However, NTR had convinced Naidu to remain with the Congress as it was an established party and that he was growing in his political career, unline the one he was planning to launch.
Could this be sourced?
-- DaxServer (
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Viewed as untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party. Page #13 (continued from above citation.) This period was one of the most testing times for Naidu as he as being viewed as a untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party as his father-in-law was gearing up to launch a new political party.
Could this be sourced?
-- DaxServer (
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Return to Tirupati as 1983 defeat. Page #14 In the 1983 election, Naidu lost his bid for re-election to the assembly from the Congress and returned to Tirupati to start a business.
Could this be sourced? Details about business were not said.
-- DaxServer (
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Joining TDP. Page #14 (continued from above citation.) After NTR's call in the following year, Naidu joined the TDP to help his father-in-law in strengthening the party.
Is that 1983 or 1984? The India Today source infers 1983.
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-- DaxServer ( talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
It's true fact 123.201.208.175 ( talk) 18:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Kindly reach to the concensus and follow up the previous concensus by the previous editors in another section on this talk page.
Provide sources before adding any content. Disruptive edits are not accepted as per Wikipedia.
Some of the content here is highly questionable since the original content by the previous editors was deleted and replaced by a new editor in his/her tone. And this problem was not addressed at the right time. 456legend( talk) 16:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Chinnusaikrish Why did you revert my edits as well as that of the other editor? I did not remove any incidents or present anything in a substantively different way. Those were simple incremental edits meant to improve structure. Very very little was removed by myself, such as the word "miserably" which is unencyclopedic WP:TONE. Please restore all those edits of mine which you don't actually object to, and we will discuss those that you do object to. Regards — Alalch E. 18:33, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
@ ChinnusaikrishThe tone that you added is clearly disruptive and is not according to the concensus. Most of the sources you cited belong to unreliable websites- not secured as per Wikipedia. There's clearly no point of neutrality. Other sources are mere political statements by people from other parties as part of political allegations cannot be taken as souces. There must be strong evidence of secondary sources. 456legend( talk) 18:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
hello @ User:Alalch E., I reverted his edits as of now again. We will wait from hom to discuss. 456legend( talk) 18:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Chandrababu Naidu who had just escaped from an assination attempt thought of having an advantage of sympathy.-- I completely agree with your removal. That is an example of the prohibited practice of original synthesis. — Alalch E. 17:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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456legend: Your major rewrite of the whole article, while probably good in various parts seems to have removed all criticism of Naidu which is against
WP:NPOV; please remake this change in a series of incremental edits (section by section) so it's easier to review; some references were removed too such as
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/chandrababu-naidus-son-nara-lokesh-takes-oath-as-minister/article17762250.ece
Sincerely. —
Alalch E. 12:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Alalch E., I have added the criticism part again as a separate section since the previous editor removed the other content. I am still in the process of correcting the data after the analysis of the sources since most of the sources were not claiming any statements. 456legend( talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Alalch E. ( talk · contribs) I grouped them because the information was not consistent with any of the categories present. None of the sources actually put forward those particular statements that is present in criticism, but just give a cite about the info. But I ensured to not delete the consistent information for example: the defeat in the 2009 and the backlash from farmers, the criticism of the Opposition and also the cash for vote scam. I haven't removed any of them because it was consistent with the information and was very much neutral like any other wiki article. Anyways you are free to add any further criticism if necessary citations are available and also you are allowed to de-integrate the grouped criticism and add it in the other categories if you feel they are consistent. Other than this, the rest of the info that I have added is sourced content that has been removed unexplained 1 month ago. I hope you analysize the edit history and the article and reach me out for any discussion or concensus if required. 456legend( talk) 17:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Page is full of misleads and previous pages are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhal.sasthry ( talk • contribs) 06:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Chandrababu Naidu's involvement in national politics during an era dominated by non-Congress coalition politics in Delhi is notable. [1] In the aftermath of the 1996 parliamentary elections, he assumed the role of convenor for the United Front, a coalition comprising 13 political parties that secured power at the Centre. The coalition government was headed by H.D. Deve Gowda and later I.K. Gujral between 1996 and 1998. The United Front had its headquarters at Andhra Pradesh Bhavan in New Delhi.
Subsequently, Chandrababu Naidu's significance in national affairs amplified after the 1999 Lok Sabha elections.The TDP and the BJP, which had a pre-poll understanding in the state, together won 36 MPs out of 42. [2] The BJP emerged as the largest single party in the Lok Sabha. The TDP extended the support of 29 of its MPs to the National Democratic Alliance government headed by A.B.Vajpayee. [3] TDP did not join the government, extending only ‘issue-based support’. [4] Naidu claimed that though Vajpayee offered eight cabinet berths to his party, the TDP stayed away from the union cabinet and offered external support. [5] Salivahana ( talk) 16:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Alalch E. Seems u mistook and didn't clearly follow my explanation. I don't intend to present anything in a negative tone but rather in the present status and position of a politician. A politician's recent major electoral achievement or debacle has to be established which were present in my edits. This has nothing to do with the violation of the policy as a politician holds a position in the governmental/public activity. So that has to be represented for a clear understanding of his present status which I did. The lead section added by you has no citations and many of it are way out of context.
Some of it follows: He directed the founding of HITEC city which is false as that was inaugurated and directed by former CM Janardhan Reddy. You even added a sentence about directing the construction of new capital city which is not yet completed or in the mid-way and the matter is sub-judice in the court. These are not needed since they had already been present in the page's respective sections. Mine looks crisp and up to the point. ~ Chinnusaikrish ( talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)