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Lincalinca: Hi, just wondering on what basis you nominate the myki page for notability. If you visit the public transport page, you'll see that a range of electronic fare card systems have a page; the myki page covers a shortly to be introduced variant - I see it as no less deserving than any other. While it may not be as 'complete' as one would like as yet, this will shortly change when the system is introduced. I see no point deleting the page only to have it rewritten later in the year. Natronomonas 00:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have capitalised myki (as Myki) at the start of sentences as per Wikipedia's Manual of Style:
I deliberately left the first use (bolded) as all lowercase.
Philip J. Rayment 02:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
4 January 2013 I have reviewed this page and replaced references to 'myki' with 'Myki', as is consistent with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style (see above). Citations referring to 'myki' have not been updated. Axdya ( talk) 06:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
28 February 2015 I have again reverted the style of 'myki' to 'Myki' in accrdance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, as discussed extensively in this section. I believe that the MOS is clear and unambiguous, that is, "proper names, are written with initial capital letters wherever they occur in a sentence." This was discussed extensively between myself and other used (see discussion thread starting 4 January 2013, however, there is still no cause shown to disregard the rules for capitalisation according to the MOS. If there are any compelling reasons to modify this approach, please discuss here before making any changes. Axdya ( talk) 10:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I found the guidelines above when I went looking for guidelines on such things specifically at the beginning of sentences. But rereading it, I now realise that it applies to use within a sentence also. So I have capitalised it in two more places, but still left it lower-cased when not in a grammatical sentence, such as headings, captions, and lists. Philip J. Rayment 05:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Evan C for the clarification about periodicals. I had previously contacted myki about it without response...
Ansett has made changes [1] that I reverted and he has reinstated. Although a little of the information he changed was out of date (i.e. the starting date of the system), I disagree with his changes for the following reasons:
His reversion also undid a change to the format of "myki" that has already been discussed on this talk page.
I will revert his change again if nobody objects.
Philip J. Rayment 06:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your reversion. Natronomonas 07:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have information on the technical details of a myki card? The Smart Rider (Wikipedia) page for Perth's contactless ticketing system has a technical details section, and I was looking to add similar information to the myki page, however I am unable to find any information online to add. Matthew kokai 04:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please add a myki technology section, it would be interesting reading in light of the information on system constraints currently being reported in the news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.6.223.18 ( talk) 05:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following:
because I'm sure I've read somewhere that the system is totally unsuitable for use by regular passengers due to the high cost of issuing those cards. Similarly, the cost of myki has been branded as high but it needs to be compared with the cost of retaining Metcard.
On another note, it's worth noting that the entire second part of the section is in no way an issue only affecting myki - those are issues that concern all Smart Card systems in place in the world (and for that matter, hasn't prevented any of them from being successful). A lot of the criticisms can be debunked, it's probably important to mention them but there isn't much of a place to do it given that the section is already quite long and the article shouldn't be trying to simply weigh the pros and cons of whether to implement the system or not. invincible ( talk) 11:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The last, recently added, item in the Criticism section re "Strict 2 hour fare enforcement" is poorly worded. I'm not even sure what it means, so I'm not game to edit it. The biggest problem is "several minutes off from the 2 hour mark". If the author is watching, please have another go. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm changing the entire roll out section - the citations linked to unrelated information (well, one did at least) and it severely needs to be updated. The information here was more specific than the myki website, so I'd guess *anyway* that the information here wasn't reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.1.119.225 ( talk) 04:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
As Myki looks like being canned, its rollout becomes one of a planned rollout that was cancelled. <WhatDoctor>
Currently the article does not mention a train operator, as it is unsure if Connex or Metro Trains Melbourne will be running the trains when Myki is intoduced. Should we assume, using the 2010 rollout date, that it'll be MTM who will be running the trains, and thus a user of Myki? And should we be putting the new tram operator in as well? -- Sk8er5000 ( talk) 04:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I am only an occasional user of public transport in Melbourne and came here hoping to get a plain English perspective on the system, so I don't get into trouble using it when I need to. I found this article very frustrating to read. It has several examples of expressions that seem to come directly from public service, transport industry or marketing language, such as:
"front office" computer software
end-to-end data transaction flows
"myki money" (Could this not just, or in addition, say "credit", assuming that's what it means?)
touch on / touch off
tag on/tag off (Are these last two the same thing?)
discovery centre
Some of these are in quotation marks or italics, meaning the writer knows they are jargon, but few are explained elsewhere in the text. They are not helpful in an encyclopaedic publication.
We should be explaining things, not just spreading ugly jargon even further. HiLo48 ( talk) 21:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
According to press reports myki will be operational in Melbourne by the end of 2009. It has already been operating in regional Victoria for several months. I therefore propose to reorder the main myki page by moving the lengthy 'History' section further down. People will want to know what myki is and how to use it. The story of how it came about is now of secondary interest.
Has anyone got a better photo of the discovery centre at Southern Cross station? The newspapers covering the windows suggest it must have been taken when the centre was being set up (now 2.5 years ago). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myki-insider ( talk • contribs) 09:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not comfortable with Myki-insider's approach to editing the myki article. He/she claims to be rewriting sections in "neutral language" when in fact he/she is really completely removing seemingly valid criticism of transport policy. He/she does so under the guise of keeping the myki article unbiased by saying that the areas being criticised are policies of the Transport Ticketing Authority, but he/she is just deleting the criticisms, not moving them to the TTA article. That's NOT showing a neutral point of view. That's censorship. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
We have a little problem with a seemingly inexperienced editor - Kendo 66. Wikipedia prohibits the use of language such as he has used in recent edits at the end of the Criticisms section. I won't revert them again now because that would be approaching a breach of the Three Revert Rule, something Kendo 66 has actually now done. If they are quotes from a person, they need to be rewritten as such. If they are Kendo 66's words, they need rephrasing.
I actually strongly agree with the sentiment he expressing. I too think myki is a disaster, but here we have to use objective language. Language such as ""The State Government is obviously frustrated" and "The Victorian public remains bemused and dissatisfied" really is unacceptable. It's journalistic language, not encyclopaedic.
Kendo 66 (and others) - Please respond with your thoughts on the content, and between us all we can try to work out some acceptable wording.
HiLo48 ( talk) 11:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Under the Metcard system, a two hour ticket would actually be valid for the time to the next clock hour plus two hours; e.g. a ticket purchased at 12:15 PM would be valid until 3:00 PM (165 minutes; or 2 hours 45 minutes). I've read conflicting reports about whether Myki uses this same system or is a literal two-hour fare, valid until 120 minutes after purchase. If anyone has a concrete source for which it is, it might be useful information to have in the article either as simply informational content or criticism if it is the 120 minute case (and has been criticised publicly in a reliable source). - Vague | Rant 13:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
It looks like the other two references in the Security section also link to a primary source, which in this case is a Wordpress blog. I'm fairly certain we don't allow primary sources as references, but maybe someone knows better than I. -- Fyrefly ( talk) 15:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
The History section tells me "On 28 December 2010, the newly elected state government announced that it would halt any further rollout of myki". We have heard lots of political hype, mostly about how bad the previous government was, but no public announcement about myki's future. Yesterday I received in the mail my Seniors' myki. This tells me that the rollout is obviously continuing. The article is therefore inaccurate, but is my new myki card a reliable source to demonstrate this? (I think I know the answer, but how do we make sense of this?) HiLo48 ( talk) 19:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
There are two versions of the newspaper article I used as a source for this sentence. The Age website [2] is as follows:
All passengers consistently rated system information and swiping problems with the cards as its biggest drawbacks.
The ProQuest newspaper database [3] is as follows:
All passengers consistently rated the provision of information about the myki system and the ease with which they could swipe the cards as its biggest problems. The ease of validating tickets was rated as Metcard's best feature.
I'm going by the ProQuest version. I think that's how the article originally appeared in the print edition of the newspaper. Ottre 04:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Why does this Talk page use a capital M for myki when the Article page correctly uses lower case? I tried moving this article to the lower case form, and was told that source and destination were the same. That's obviously wrong. Does Wikipedia not recognise lower case for article names on Talk pages? HiLo48 ( talk) 21:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
The article includes: "Benefits...The system currently has the following benefits:...Touch-off is not necessary at all on the tram network for..." How is this a benefit of the myki system? No previous ticketing system in victoria has required touch-off on trams; moreover, for the 5% of tram users who are required to touch off, myki is less convenient than previous systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.56.104 ( talk) 04:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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Lincalinca: Hi, just wondering on what basis you nominate the myki page for notability. If you visit the public transport page, you'll see that a range of electronic fare card systems have a page; the myki page covers a shortly to be introduced variant - I see it as no less deserving than any other. While it may not be as 'complete' as one would like as yet, this will shortly change when the system is introduced. I see no point deleting the page only to have it rewritten later in the year. Natronomonas 00:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have capitalised myki (as Myki) at the start of sentences as per Wikipedia's Manual of Style:
I deliberately left the first use (bolded) as all lowercase.
Philip J. Rayment 02:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
4 January 2013 I have reviewed this page and replaced references to 'myki' with 'Myki', as is consistent with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style (see above). Citations referring to 'myki' have not been updated. Axdya ( talk) 06:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
28 February 2015 I have again reverted the style of 'myki' to 'Myki' in accrdance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, as discussed extensively in this section. I believe that the MOS is clear and unambiguous, that is, "proper names, are written with initial capital letters wherever they occur in a sentence." This was discussed extensively between myself and other used (see discussion thread starting 4 January 2013, however, there is still no cause shown to disregard the rules for capitalisation according to the MOS. If there are any compelling reasons to modify this approach, please discuss here before making any changes. Axdya ( talk) 10:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I found the guidelines above when I went looking for guidelines on such things specifically at the beginning of sentences. But rereading it, I now realise that it applies to use within a sentence also. So I have capitalised it in two more places, but still left it lower-cased when not in a grammatical sentence, such as headings, captions, and lists. Philip J. Rayment 05:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Evan C for the clarification about periodicals. I had previously contacted myki about it without response...
Ansett has made changes [1] that I reverted and he has reinstated. Although a little of the information he changed was out of date (i.e. the starting date of the system), I disagree with his changes for the following reasons:
His reversion also undid a change to the format of "myki" that has already been discussed on this talk page.
I will revert his change again if nobody objects.
Philip J. Rayment 06:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your reversion. Natronomonas 07:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have information on the technical details of a myki card? The Smart Rider (Wikipedia) page for Perth's contactless ticketing system has a technical details section, and I was looking to add similar information to the myki page, however I am unable to find any information online to add. Matthew kokai 04:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please add a myki technology section, it would be interesting reading in light of the information on system constraints currently being reported in the news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.6.223.18 ( talk) 05:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following:
because I'm sure I've read somewhere that the system is totally unsuitable for use by regular passengers due to the high cost of issuing those cards. Similarly, the cost of myki has been branded as high but it needs to be compared with the cost of retaining Metcard.
On another note, it's worth noting that the entire second part of the section is in no way an issue only affecting myki - those are issues that concern all Smart Card systems in place in the world (and for that matter, hasn't prevented any of them from being successful). A lot of the criticisms can be debunked, it's probably important to mention them but there isn't much of a place to do it given that the section is already quite long and the article shouldn't be trying to simply weigh the pros and cons of whether to implement the system or not. invincible ( talk) 11:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The last, recently added, item in the Criticism section re "Strict 2 hour fare enforcement" is poorly worded. I'm not even sure what it means, so I'm not game to edit it. The biggest problem is "several minutes off from the 2 hour mark". If the author is watching, please have another go. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm changing the entire roll out section - the citations linked to unrelated information (well, one did at least) and it severely needs to be updated. The information here was more specific than the myki website, so I'd guess *anyway* that the information here wasn't reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.1.119.225 ( talk) 04:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
As Myki looks like being canned, its rollout becomes one of a planned rollout that was cancelled. <WhatDoctor>
Currently the article does not mention a train operator, as it is unsure if Connex or Metro Trains Melbourne will be running the trains when Myki is intoduced. Should we assume, using the 2010 rollout date, that it'll be MTM who will be running the trains, and thus a user of Myki? And should we be putting the new tram operator in as well? -- Sk8er5000 ( talk) 04:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I am only an occasional user of public transport in Melbourne and came here hoping to get a plain English perspective on the system, so I don't get into trouble using it when I need to. I found this article very frustrating to read. It has several examples of expressions that seem to come directly from public service, transport industry or marketing language, such as:
"front office" computer software
end-to-end data transaction flows
"myki money" (Could this not just, or in addition, say "credit", assuming that's what it means?)
touch on / touch off
tag on/tag off (Are these last two the same thing?)
discovery centre
Some of these are in quotation marks or italics, meaning the writer knows they are jargon, but few are explained elsewhere in the text. They are not helpful in an encyclopaedic publication.
We should be explaining things, not just spreading ugly jargon even further. HiLo48 ( talk) 21:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
According to press reports myki will be operational in Melbourne by the end of 2009. It has already been operating in regional Victoria for several months. I therefore propose to reorder the main myki page by moving the lengthy 'History' section further down. People will want to know what myki is and how to use it. The story of how it came about is now of secondary interest.
Has anyone got a better photo of the discovery centre at Southern Cross station? The newspapers covering the windows suggest it must have been taken when the centre was being set up (now 2.5 years ago). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myki-insider ( talk • contribs) 09:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not comfortable with Myki-insider's approach to editing the myki article. He/she claims to be rewriting sections in "neutral language" when in fact he/she is really completely removing seemingly valid criticism of transport policy. He/she does so under the guise of keeping the myki article unbiased by saying that the areas being criticised are policies of the Transport Ticketing Authority, but he/she is just deleting the criticisms, not moving them to the TTA article. That's NOT showing a neutral point of view. That's censorship. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
We have a little problem with a seemingly inexperienced editor - Kendo 66. Wikipedia prohibits the use of language such as he has used in recent edits at the end of the Criticisms section. I won't revert them again now because that would be approaching a breach of the Three Revert Rule, something Kendo 66 has actually now done. If they are quotes from a person, they need to be rewritten as such. If they are Kendo 66's words, they need rephrasing.
I actually strongly agree with the sentiment he expressing. I too think myki is a disaster, but here we have to use objective language. Language such as ""The State Government is obviously frustrated" and "The Victorian public remains bemused and dissatisfied" really is unacceptable. It's journalistic language, not encyclopaedic.
Kendo 66 (and others) - Please respond with your thoughts on the content, and between us all we can try to work out some acceptable wording.
HiLo48 ( talk) 11:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Under the Metcard system, a two hour ticket would actually be valid for the time to the next clock hour plus two hours; e.g. a ticket purchased at 12:15 PM would be valid until 3:00 PM (165 minutes; or 2 hours 45 minutes). I've read conflicting reports about whether Myki uses this same system or is a literal two-hour fare, valid until 120 minutes after purchase. If anyone has a concrete source for which it is, it might be useful information to have in the article either as simply informational content or criticism if it is the 120 minute case (and has been criticised publicly in a reliable source). - Vague | Rant 13:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
It looks like the other two references in the Security section also link to a primary source, which in this case is a Wordpress blog. I'm fairly certain we don't allow primary sources as references, but maybe someone knows better than I. -- Fyrefly ( talk) 15:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
The History section tells me "On 28 December 2010, the newly elected state government announced that it would halt any further rollout of myki". We have heard lots of political hype, mostly about how bad the previous government was, but no public announcement about myki's future. Yesterday I received in the mail my Seniors' myki. This tells me that the rollout is obviously continuing. The article is therefore inaccurate, but is my new myki card a reliable source to demonstrate this? (I think I know the answer, but how do we make sense of this?) HiLo48 ( talk) 19:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
There are two versions of the newspaper article I used as a source for this sentence. The Age website [2] is as follows:
All passengers consistently rated system information and swiping problems with the cards as its biggest drawbacks.
The ProQuest newspaper database [3] is as follows:
All passengers consistently rated the provision of information about the myki system and the ease with which they could swipe the cards as its biggest problems. The ease of validating tickets was rated as Metcard's best feature.
I'm going by the ProQuest version. I think that's how the article originally appeared in the print edition of the newspaper. Ottre 04:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Why does this Talk page use a capital M for myki when the Article page correctly uses lower case? I tried moving this article to the lower case form, and was told that source and destination were the same. That's obviously wrong. Does Wikipedia not recognise lower case for article names on Talk pages? HiLo48 ( talk) 21:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
The article includes: "Benefits...The system currently has the following benefits:...Touch-off is not necessary at all on the tram network for..." How is this a benefit of the myki system? No previous ticketing system in victoria has required touch-off on trams; moreover, for the 5% of tram users who are required to touch off, myki is less convenient than previous systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.56.104 ( talk) 04:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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