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Please be on the lookout for various release dates via different sources around the world. It would be nice to construct a chart displaying the release dates for these outlets (different countries, iTunes, etc.). Article deletion should not be an issue now that the single has been officially released, and appears in numerous third-party, reliable sources. The song will now be hitting the airwaves, and chart positions and additional information should be added to the article as soon as possible. Thanks so much! Looking forward to cooperating on this article. - Another Believer ( talk) 20:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
← Hmm, I for one am not going to edit war over this. I would also not quite call it a
G4 recreation: the single is released now, there are certainly new sources out there (and the interpretation of the specialized notability guidelines and their relation to the general notability guideline varies quite widely, Kww).
I strongly favor developing song articles in the album article, and I don't think that this song has the "significant coverage" required, but if you think that it does then it won't hurt me if you work on it here.
Anyway, check
[1], maybe you can use one of the sources there. --
Amalthea 21:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
It may be worth noting that the song was not available to download from Amazon on the 16 January as stated in the article. The 16 January is the date it was added to the internet, NOT the date that the download was available on. Someone might want to change that. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beautiful&Dying ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Would it be worth noting that Brooke Hogan already made plans to cover the song the day it was released? Note: This comment has nothing to do with the notability debate described above. This is a completely different topic for discussion. - Another Believer ( talk) 05:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
For some reason, the original cover image was removed when the article was re-directed to User talk:Cameron Scott/My Life Would Suck Without You. The original cover image is: Kelly Clarkson My Life Would Suck Without You single cover jpg -- just enter the "." before "jpg" - Another Believer ( talk) 00:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
To repeat myself from the DRV: My Life Would Suck Without You (song) just sprang into existance, a version of the article that is less sourced than the userfied one, but has far more content. I will not redirect it again since consensus to allow recreation seems clear enough, and since the content (or sources at least) from the userfied version should now be merged into that one. -- Amalthea 02:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I noticed the lower case 'w' of 'without' in the title. If nobody objects, I'll move the article to 'My Life Would Suck Without You' to fix that. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Now, with all that said, if there's a source that explicitly stated this, then I'm all for including it in the article, but I don't see the need to be so descriptive. It can easily be summed up as With this single, Kelly Clarkson was the first Idol winner to have a second #1 single after their first "coronation" release.
I hope that makes sense. But again, feel free to express your opinion here. (Also, I deleted the Top 40 mention because she's #1 on the Hot 100 anyway. Any other charts are essentially component charts, no?) SKS2K6 ( talk) 20:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there edit warring going on? Please stop. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we just leave it be? Or will it be continuous to the point where this article will be semi-protected? SKS2K6 ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I have removed electropop from the infobox and per WP:BRD, I am bringing the discussion here. Arlonelle and their IP addresses 96.242.204.196 and 96.242.202.220 added electropop to the infobox and when removed added hidden notes that amount to original research, "The genre is electro-pop because of its charging synths, its steady beat, disco rhythms, and cymbal-crashing drum background." When removed based on original research, they added sources that did not say the song was electropop. When removed based on sources not backing up the genre, they simply reverted without an edit summary or discussion here. Until such time that a reliable source can be found to say the song is electropop, the genre should not be added to the infobox. Aspects ( talk) 14:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
-- Arlonuelle ( talk) 00:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC) If "charging synths, disco rhythms, and cymbal-crashing drum background" does not indicated the electropop genre then what more would you consider because someone decided to remove the genre and your taking it off after it is added because it is from original research? You people at Wikipedia make no sense to me with your incompetent methods at removing what is right there in research.-- Arlonuelle ( talk) 00:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I reverted once, and don't want to go into an edit war, but now the genre hinges on this description by music site Rhapsody that states that the song is "electro-flavoured". User:Arlonuelle, is there a reason why you keep editing outside of your account? SKS2K6 ( talk) 21:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It's techno /club music to 100% to as it's also to 100% pop. I would say genres: Pop, Techno. -- N00bh4ck3r ( talk) 19:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
But the bass-line and beats sound techno-like, you can hear it out if you know techno music. It's at least club music, euro-dance or techno. -- N00bh4ck3r ( talk) 00:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
"...and transcends into a melody of synthesizers, guitars, and synthesized drums." What does this mean? AuntFlo ( talk) 07:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
If you listen to the instrumental of the song, you can clearly tell that the song is of the electropop genre. Also, there are sources that back it up: [3] [4] [5] -- Pokerdance ( talk) 01:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Pokerdance, please review what constitutes a reliable source on Wikipedia. As I stated before, blogs are not accepted reliable sources for facts, generally speaking. And that includes music blogs. And to everyone, please do not enter an edit war. Thanks. SKS ( talk) 19:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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Please be on the lookout for various release dates via different sources around the world. It would be nice to construct a chart displaying the release dates for these outlets (different countries, iTunes, etc.). Article deletion should not be an issue now that the single has been officially released, and appears in numerous third-party, reliable sources. The song will now be hitting the airwaves, and chart positions and additional information should be added to the article as soon as possible. Thanks so much! Looking forward to cooperating on this article. - Another Believer ( talk) 20:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
← Hmm, I for one am not going to edit war over this. I would also not quite call it a
G4 recreation: the single is released now, there are certainly new sources out there (and the interpretation of the specialized notability guidelines and their relation to the general notability guideline varies quite widely, Kww).
I strongly favor developing song articles in the album article, and I don't think that this song has the "significant coverage" required, but if you think that it does then it won't hurt me if you work on it here.
Anyway, check
[1], maybe you can use one of the sources there. --
Amalthea 21:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
It may be worth noting that the song was not available to download from Amazon on the 16 January as stated in the article. The 16 January is the date it was added to the internet, NOT the date that the download was available on. Someone might want to change that. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beautiful&Dying ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Would it be worth noting that Brooke Hogan already made plans to cover the song the day it was released? Note: This comment has nothing to do with the notability debate described above. This is a completely different topic for discussion. - Another Believer ( talk) 05:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
For some reason, the original cover image was removed when the article was re-directed to User talk:Cameron Scott/My Life Would Suck Without You. The original cover image is: Kelly Clarkson My Life Would Suck Without You single cover jpg -- just enter the "." before "jpg" - Another Believer ( talk) 00:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
To repeat myself from the DRV: My Life Would Suck Without You (song) just sprang into existance, a version of the article that is less sourced than the userfied one, but has far more content. I will not redirect it again since consensus to allow recreation seems clear enough, and since the content (or sources at least) from the userfied version should now be merged into that one. -- Amalthea 02:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I noticed the lower case 'w' of 'without' in the title. If nobody objects, I'll move the article to 'My Life Would Suck Without You' to fix that. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Now, with all that said, if there's a source that explicitly stated this, then I'm all for including it in the article, but I don't see the need to be so descriptive. It can easily be summed up as With this single, Kelly Clarkson was the first Idol winner to have a second #1 single after their first "coronation" release.
I hope that makes sense. But again, feel free to express your opinion here. (Also, I deleted the Top 40 mention because she's #1 on the Hot 100 anyway. Any other charts are essentially component charts, no?) SKS2K6 ( talk) 20:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there edit warring going on? Please stop. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we just leave it be? Or will it be continuous to the point where this article will be semi-protected? SKS2K6 ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I have removed electropop from the infobox and per WP:BRD, I am bringing the discussion here. Arlonelle and their IP addresses 96.242.204.196 and 96.242.202.220 added electropop to the infobox and when removed added hidden notes that amount to original research, "The genre is electro-pop because of its charging synths, its steady beat, disco rhythms, and cymbal-crashing drum background." When removed based on original research, they added sources that did not say the song was electropop. When removed based on sources not backing up the genre, they simply reverted without an edit summary or discussion here. Until such time that a reliable source can be found to say the song is electropop, the genre should not be added to the infobox. Aspects ( talk) 14:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
-- Arlonuelle ( talk) 00:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC) If "charging synths, disco rhythms, and cymbal-crashing drum background" does not indicated the electropop genre then what more would you consider because someone decided to remove the genre and your taking it off after it is added because it is from original research? You people at Wikipedia make no sense to me with your incompetent methods at removing what is right there in research.-- Arlonuelle ( talk) 00:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I reverted once, and don't want to go into an edit war, but now the genre hinges on this description by music site Rhapsody that states that the song is "electro-flavoured". User:Arlonuelle, is there a reason why you keep editing outside of your account? SKS2K6 ( talk) 21:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It's techno /club music to 100% to as it's also to 100% pop. I would say genres: Pop, Techno. -- N00bh4ck3r ( talk) 19:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
But the bass-line and beats sound techno-like, you can hear it out if you know techno music. It's at least club music, euro-dance or techno. -- N00bh4ck3r ( talk) 00:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
"...and transcends into a melody of synthesizers, guitars, and synthesized drums." What does this mean? AuntFlo ( talk) 07:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
If you listen to the instrumental of the song, you can clearly tell that the song is of the electropop genre. Also, there are sources that back it up: [3] [4] [5] -- Pokerdance ( talk) 01:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Pokerdance, please review what constitutes a reliable source on Wikipedia. As I stated before, blogs are not accepted reliable sources for facts, generally speaking. And that includes music blogs. And to everyone, please do not enter an edit war. Thanks. SKS ( talk) 19:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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