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I would propose the removal of the sentence "The past two decades have seen an increase in violence in the hitherto largely peaceful city." in the Independent India (History) section. Bombay has never been peaceful. There have been several riots, strikes, Great Bombay Textile Strike, 1984 Bombay-Bhiwandi Riots, organized crime, gang wars. Xavier449 ( talk) 02:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Two paragraphs earlier, when talking about the Portuguese name (from the 16th century), the translation is given as "good little bay". Since that is the literal translation, why would you write a whole paragraph about how it's technically "incorrect"? You're not really adding anything to the article other than excess information. I'm removing this because bloated articles are one of the biggest problems of this wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.101.221 ( talk) 11:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I recently edited the second paragraph of introduction which says "Mumbai is the commercial and entertainment capital of India, generating ... 70% of maritime trade in India (Mumbai Port Trust & JNPT" which is actually not true. Maritime cargo is divided into two broad categories - bulk and containerized. Mumbai ports account for only 20% of bulk cargo and 60% of containerized cargo of India in 2010. Mumbai ports handled 115 million tonnes of the total 561 million tonnes in 2010 and 4120 thousand TEU's of the total 6865 thousand TEU's. These figures are authoritative and released by Indian Ports Association. The same are used in the Wikipedia page for "ports in India" too. I edited the data citing the Wikipedia page a few days ago. I was today surprised to find that the page has reverted back to the erroneous data citing a unscientific press article. I wonder whether Wikipedia is a encyclopedia or a forum to just satisfy individual's ego. I dont know whether this change was automatic or done manually but I request the administrators to correct the mistake and give the reliable references (Wikipedia article "Ports in India"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadapalani ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I have created an article G R Khairnar. Please read and provide inputs. Nshuks7 ( talk) 11:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I propose to change the current Image of the BSE with either [1] or [2] both of which give a view of the Jeejebhoy Tower along with Rotunda and the Screen outside.
I futher propose to add a Ganesh Visarjan pic, given that its one of the largest public gatherings on a particular day in Mumbai (and on a beachfront) - I have shortlisted possible images [3], [4], [5], [6]. As these are possibly controversial changes (major class GA article, former FA) I thought it may be better to see if there are any objections/suggestions on the matter. Cheers, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 16:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be certain issues with this. Iv been reverted twice (as well as Redtigerxyz's change of the BSE image being reverted). I propose to change the BSE image (per above. Strangely none of those who reverted the changes has actually objected on the talk page, hence I do not know the issue with this!). I further propose to add an image of a Portuguese built church in the history part (thereby showing Portuguese influence) and change the image in the demographics to a recent one of Malabar Hill (to show the change the city has undergone since the time it was 7 islands). The current image is of a suburb that dint exist until the 20th century. Further, if you see articles of cities in developed countries like New York City, London or developing countries like Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, Moscow or even neighbour country cities like Karachi or Dhaka nowhere do we see pictures of slums or dirty underbellies of the city. Every city has its own underbellies, however none of the above articles have an image of anything like, why have it on the Mumbai page? The images included are historic ones and those of the best parts of the city today, whiles Mumbai page does not even have an image of the Worli-Bandra Sea Link, an important recent architectural feat! Dharavi has its own page, the image is already present there, so I see no need for it here. If there is no objection, I will 1. Change the BSE image per above, 2. Add an image of a Portuguese built church 3. Change the Dharavi Image for a recent one of Malabar Hill 4. Add one of the Sea Link (Im trying to find a good spot for this one) 5. Im wondering if Elephanta caves belongs here, after all its outside the Mumbai metropolitan region. Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 05:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, please wait for a consensus before changing images. I understand that you are very excited about images, but please wait for others to comment on the talk page before changing the images. Thanks. Nikkul ( talk) 08:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
It seems like you are very new here. Wikipedia policy is that images should be discussed and a consensus must be formed before an image is changed. Just because you waited for 2 days and no one replied does not mean there was consensus among editors. People have other things to do in life. Please WAIT for consensus before reverting. Otherwise, I will have to inform an admin. Nikkul ( talk) 19:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
(od) I don't really see anything wrong with the way AroundTheGlobe has gone around changing the images. This isn't even a featured article. However, since Nikkul does have objections, perhaps you could list your suggested changes and we could all take a look. -- rgpk ( comment) 19:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
1. I propose to add an image of a Portuguese church in the history section - to show Portuguese influence in the city File:SEEPZ church 4.jpg (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
2. I propose to remove File:Marine Drive.JPG altogether - its against WP:MoS, sandwiching information between 2 images. Further a similar picture of the same place is already in the infobox. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
3. I propose to change the BSE picture from File:India economy.jpg to File:Bombay Stock Exchange 3.jpg. The current image goes against Wiki norms (has a number watermark at the bottom of the image) and does not show the Rotunda building or the trading screen outside. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
4. I propose to change File:Dharavi Slum in Mumbai.jpg and replace it with File:Malabarpoint governmenthouse bombay.jpg and File:Malabar view.jpg. Per my explanation above, no other city article has a picture of its slums on Wikipedia. I propose to replace with a contrast of 2 images - Malabar Hill from the original 7 islands of Bombay in 1865 to a recent one as a residential area of the island city today. We could even use File:Two Tips ....jpg to show an aerial view of the area as of today. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
5. I propose to add File:Queens Necklace.jpg where the Elephanta Image was. I understand from Ninadhardikar that Elephanta is near Mumbai, however it is not in Mumbai Metropolitan region and has its own article. There are so many areas we can showcase within Mumbai itself that are not on the article, why have something outside Mumbai. The city has its own caves - Kanheri caves, of which an image exists in the upper part of the article. If this was an article for tourism in and around Mumbai, we could still have an Elephanta image, however this is a Mumbai city article.The image I propose to add is of Marine Drive or Queens Necklace, which can easily be called the city's most famous boulevard. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
6. I propose to add an image of the sea link - File:India Mumbai Bridge .jpg, however I am yet to find a place for it. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
7. I propose replacing the current Dharavi image File:Dharavi Slum in Mumbai.jpg with File:Mumbai Slum Economy.jpg which shows the economy and culture of the traders in Dharavi. The current image shows just an alley which adds no value. (Proposal by Nikkul)
8. I propose adding File:Hajiali.jpg in the history section to show Islamic rule in India. The Haji Ali Dargarh was built in 1431, when Mumbai was under the Gujarat Sultanate (Proposal by Nikkul)
Though I have complied with the request, I protest at the way I have been treated. If someone had an issue with any of the changes, they should have brought it up on the talk page. Despite giving notice on the talk page I have been reverted not once but several times. Consensus is only required when someone has an objection, however I dont see any objections from any of the editors who have reverted me or User:Redtigerxyz. I propose that whiles voting for the changes we also vote on whether we need to arrive at a consensus BEFORE changing any images on this article or arrive at a consensus only if there is an objection to a change (as is the norm on Wikipedia).
Disclosure: I am not promoting my own images - I have not clicked any of the images proposed to be added to the article in this post of mine (just to clarify that I have no personal goals to achieve by proposing these changes). The two recent Malabar Hill images (File:Malabar view.jpg and File:Two Tips ....jpg) and were imported by me to Commons from Flickr (after requesting the authors to release the said images under a Wikipedia acceptable license) and I have cropped an existing image on Commons to derive File:Queens Necklace.jpg.
Thanks, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 11:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just curious about the following: since when did Mumbai become the second most populous? It's always been first, right? Avatarfanx2 ( talk) 00:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to propose removing the Mumba devi temple image. The dilapidated temple building really does not show anything about the city's name. It would be better to remove it. What do you guys think? Nikkul ( talk) 16:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The article states that Mumbai is the 6th most populous city, whereas the linked-to List of cities proper by population states it is 5th. The article's 'factual accuracy is disputed' so I am unsure as to which is currently correct. Pjrobertson ( talk) 23:12, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Found demographics of mumbai having 2001 data which was old as new data has been released in 2011,Made the necessary changes, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.194.108.162 ( talk) 13:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the 2011 provisional population results, the population of Mumbai is 12,478,447, where as the population of Delhi is 12,565,901. this makes Delhi the largest city in India. Mumbai is the second largest in terms of population. What say?? -- Thalapathi (Ping Back) 10:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Look at the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_India which gives 2010 estimates. Mumbai is paged at 13.5mn compare to Delhi's 12.3mn. Also, Delhi is a state with area of 1430 sq kms whereas mumbai is a city only with 630 sq mts. Also, if we count Thane & New Mumbai (these 2 are very much part of mumbai but not included for census purpose), the poplutation shall increase to untouchable level. It very sad that politicians in Delhi are trying to kill MUMBAI... they favour Delhi in all things..like new airport, F1 track, asian games etc at the cost of Mumbai (remember mumbai still contributes more than 50% of tax revenues)
I think we can consider new pic of Bandra worli sea link
KuwarOnline Talk 08:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 21:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Mumbai → Bombay – While Mumbai may be the local Hindi name for the city, WP:ENGLISH says that the common English name should be used instead. -- 134.10.114.238 ( talk) 21:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Please change "The average total annual rainfall is 2,146.6 mm (6 in) for the Island City" to read 'The average total annual rainfall is 2,146.6 mm (86 in) for the Island City" in section 3.1 Climate, because 2146.6 mm = 86 in, (and not 6 in). Venkat.karimanasseri ( talk) 05:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
We should have both the second proposed image along with the old image. The caption for the new image can be "In recent years, Mumbai has seen huge growth in the housing market. Shown here is South Mumbai."
Nikkul (
talk) 06:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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NEW
No!! DO NOT ADD THIS WITHOUT DISCUSSION! Your version looks terrible and the top picture is so unclear!!
Nikkul (
talk) 04:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Most of the world's major cities (including Newyork, London) have slums; But no other cities' page has a picture of a slum. Even Karachi's page does not have a picture of a slum even though it is renowned for slum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.17.180 ( talk) 14:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Mumbai → Bombay — It should be Bombay and not Mumbai because the river Ganga is called Ganges. Why should the wikipedia have different rules for different names? 203.132.209.101 ( talk) 11:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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I would propose the removal of the sentence "The past two decades have seen an increase in violence in the hitherto largely peaceful city." in the Independent India (History) section. Bombay has never been peaceful. There have been several riots, strikes, Great Bombay Textile Strike, 1984 Bombay-Bhiwandi Riots, organized crime, gang wars. Xavier449 ( talk) 02:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Two paragraphs earlier, when talking about the Portuguese name (from the 16th century), the translation is given as "good little bay". Since that is the literal translation, why would you write a whole paragraph about how it's technically "incorrect"? You're not really adding anything to the article other than excess information. I'm removing this because bloated articles are one of the biggest problems of this wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.101.221 ( talk) 11:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I recently edited the second paragraph of introduction which says "Mumbai is the commercial and entertainment capital of India, generating ... 70% of maritime trade in India (Mumbai Port Trust & JNPT" which is actually not true. Maritime cargo is divided into two broad categories - bulk and containerized. Mumbai ports account for only 20% of bulk cargo and 60% of containerized cargo of India in 2010. Mumbai ports handled 115 million tonnes of the total 561 million tonnes in 2010 and 4120 thousand TEU's of the total 6865 thousand TEU's. These figures are authoritative and released by Indian Ports Association. The same are used in the Wikipedia page for "ports in India" too. I edited the data citing the Wikipedia page a few days ago. I was today surprised to find that the page has reverted back to the erroneous data citing a unscientific press article. I wonder whether Wikipedia is a encyclopedia or a forum to just satisfy individual's ego. I dont know whether this change was automatic or done manually but I request the administrators to correct the mistake and give the reliable references (Wikipedia article "Ports in India"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadapalani ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I have created an article G R Khairnar. Please read and provide inputs. Nshuks7 ( talk) 11:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I propose to change the current Image of the BSE with either [1] or [2] both of which give a view of the Jeejebhoy Tower along with Rotunda and the Screen outside.
I futher propose to add a Ganesh Visarjan pic, given that its one of the largest public gatherings on a particular day in Mumbai (and on a beachfront) - I have shortlisted possible images [3], [4], [5], [6]. As these are possibly controversial changes (major class GA article, former FA) I thought it may be better to see if there are any objections/suggestions on the matter. Cheers, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 16:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be certain issues with this. Iv been reverted twice (as well as Redtigerxyz's change of the BSE image being reverted). I propose to change the BSE image (per above. Strangely none of those who reverted the changes has actually objected on the talk page, hence I do not know the issue with this!). I further propose to add an image of a Portuguese built church in the history part (thereby showing Portuguese influence) and change the image in the demographics to a recent one of Malabar Hill (to show the change the city has undergone since the time it was 7 islands). The current image is of a suburb that dint exist until the 20th century. Further, if you see articles of cities in developed countries like New York City, London or developing countries like Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, Moscow or even neighbour country cities like Karachi or Dhaka nowhere do we see pictures of slums or dirty underbellies of the city. Every city has its own underbellies, however none of the above articles have an image of anything like, why have it on the Mumbai page? The images included are historic ones and those of the best parts of the city today, whiles Mumbai page does not even have an image of the Worli-Bandra Sea Link, an important recent architectural feat! Dharavi has its own page, the image is already present there, so I see no need for it here. If there is no objection, I will 1. Change the BSE image per above, 2. Add an image of a Portuguese built church 3. Change the Dharavi Image for a recent one of Malabar Hill 4. Add one of the Sea Link (Im trying to find a good spot for this one) 5. Im wondering if Elephanta caves belongs here, after all its outside the Mumbai metropolitan region. Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 05:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, please wait for a consensus before changing images. I understand that you are very excited about images, but please wait for others to comment on the talk page before changing the images. Thanks. Nikkul ( talk) 08:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
It seems like you are very new here. Wikipedia policy is that images should be discussed and a consensus must be formed before an image is changed. Just because you waited for 2 days and no one replied does not mean there was consensus among editors. People have other things to do in life. Please WAIT for consensus before reverting. Otherwise, I will have to inform an admin. Nikkul ( talk) 19:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
(od) I don't really see anything wrong with the way AroundTheGlobe has gone around changing the images. This isn't even a featured article. However, since Nikkul does have objections, perhaps you could list your suggested changes and we could all take a look. -- rgpk ( comment) 19:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
1. I propose to add an image of a Portuguese church in the history section - to show Portuguese influence in the city File:SEEPZ church 4.jpg (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
2. I propose to remove File:Marine Drive.JPG altogether - its against WP:MoS, sandwiching information between 2 images. Further a similar picture of the same place is already in the infobox. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
3. I propose to change the BSE picture from File:India economy.jpg to File:Bombay Stock Exchange 3.jpg. The current image goes against Wiki norms (has a number watermark at the bottom of the image) and does not show the Rotunda building or the trading screen outside. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
4. I propose to change File:Dharavi Slum in Mumbai.jpg and replace it with File:Malabarpoint governmenthouse bombay.jpg and File:Malabar view.jpg. Per my explanation above, no other city article has a picture of its slums on Wikipedia. I propose to replace with a contrast of 2 images - Malabar Hill from the original 7 islands of Bombay in 1865 to a recent one as a residential area of the island city today. We could even use File:Two Tips ....jpg to show an aerial view of the area as of today. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
5. I propose to add File:Queens Necklace.jpg where the Elephanta Image was. I understand from Ninadhardikar that Elephanta is near Mumbai, however it is not in Mumbai Metropolitan region and has its own article. There are so many areas we can showcase within Mumbai itself that are not on the article, why have something outside Mumbai. The city has its own caves - Kanheri caves, of which an image exists in the upper part of the article. If this was an article for tourism in and around Mumbai, we could still have an Elephanta image, however this is a Mumbai city article.The image I propose to add is of Marine Drive or Queens Necklace, which can easily be called the city's most famous boulevard. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
6. I propose to add an image of the sea link - File:India Mumbai Bridge .jpg, however I am yet to find a place for it. (Proposal by AroundTheGlobe)
7. I propose replacing the current Dharavi image File:Dharavi Slum in Mumbai.jpg with File:Mumbai Slum Economy.jpg which shows the economy and culture of the traders in Dharavi. The current image shows just an alley which adds no value. (Proposal by Nikkul)
8. I propose adding File:Hajiali.jpg in the history section to show Islamic rule in India. The Haji Ali Dargarh was built in 1431, when Mumbai was under the Gujarat Sultanate (Proposal by Nikkul)
Though I have complied with the request, I protest at the way I have been treated. If someone had an issue with any of the changes, they should have brought it up on the talk page. Despite giving notice on the talk page I have been reverted not once but several times. Consensus is only required when someone has an objection, however I dont see any objections from any of the editors who have reverted me or User:Redtigerxyz. I propose that whiles voting for the changes we also vote on whether we need to arrive at a consensus BEFORE changing any images on this article or arrive at a consensus only if there is an objection to a change (as is the norm on Wikipedia).
Disclosure: I am not promoting my own images - I have not clicked any of the images proposed to be added to the article in this post of mine (just to clarify that I have no personal goals to achieve by proposing these changes). The two recent Malabar Hill images (File:Malabar view.jpg and File:Two Tips ....jpg) and were imported by me to Commons from Flickr (after requesting the authors to release the said images under a Wikipedia acceptable license) and I have cropped an existing image on Commons to derive File:Queens Necklace.jpg.
Thanks, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 11:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just curious about the following: since when did Mumbai become the second most populous? It's always been first, right? Avatarfanx2 ( talk) 00:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to propose removing the Mumba devi temple image. The dilapidated temple building really does not show anything about the city's name. It would be better to remove it. What do you guys think? Nikkul ( talk) 16:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The article states that Mumbai is the 6th most populous city, whereas the linked-to List of cities proper by population states it is 5th. The article's 'factual accuracy is disputed' so I am unsure as to which is currently correct. Pjrobertson ( talk) 23:12, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Found demographics of mumbai having 2001 data which was old as new data has been released in 2011,Made the necessary changes, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.194.108.162 ( talk) 13:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the 2011 provisional population results, the population of Mumbai is 12,478,447, where as the population of Delhi is 12,565,901. this makes Delhi the largest city in India. Mumbai is the second largest in terms of population. What say?? -- Thalapathi (Ping Back) 10:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Look at the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_India which gives 2010 estimates. Mumbai is paged at 13.5mn compare to Delhi's 12.3mn. Also, Delhi is a state with area of 1430 sq kms whereas mumbai is a city only with 630 sq mts. Also, if we count Thane & New Mumbai (these 2 are very much part of mumbai but not included for census purpose), the poplutation shall increase to untouchable level. It very sad that politicians in Delhi are trying to kill MUMBAI... they favour Delhi in all things..like new airport, F1 track, asian games etc at the cost of Mumbai (remember mumbai still contributes more than 50% of tax revenues)
I think we can consider new pic of Bandra worli sea link
KuwarOnline Talk 08:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 21:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Mumbai → Bombay – While Mumbai may be the local Hindi name for the city, WP:ENGLISH says that the common English name should be used instead. -- 134.10.114.238 ( talk) 21:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
This
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Please change "The average total annual rainfall is 2,146.6 mm (6 in) for the Island City" to read 'The average total annual rainfall is 2,146.6 mm (86 in) for the Island City" in section 3.1 Climate, because 2146.6 mm = 86 in, (and not 6 in). Venkat.karimanasseri ( talk) 05:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
We should have both the second proposed image along with the old image. The caption for the new image can be "In recent years, Mumbai has seen huge growth in the housing market. Shown here is South Mumbai."
Nikkul (
talk) 06:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
OLD
NEW
No!! DO NOT ADD THIS WITHOUT DISCUSSION! Your version looks terrible and the top picture is so unclear!!
Nikkul (
talk) 04:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Most of the world's major cities (including Newyork, London) have slums; But no other cities' page has a picture of a slum. Even Karachi's page does not have a picture of a slum even though it is renowned for slum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.17.180 ( talk) 14:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Mumbai → Bombay — It should be Bombay and not Mumbai because the river Ganga is called Ganges. Why should the wikipedia have different rules for different names? 203.132.209.101 ( talk) 11:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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