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The infobox, as of this posting, is heavily biased (thus failing WP:UNDUE) towards entertainers and politicians. Additionally the Politicians are heavily biased towards elected and nominee Democrats over other parties (4 to 1). Therefore, I will tag this article accordingly. And recommend that the infobox be diversified by individuals who are notable from different fields of notability other than these two, and that the politicians be excluded or be balanced so that the infobox is neutral.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Look like the issue has been recreated again; again politically unbalanced. :(-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 19:15, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
To centralize this discussion, please see the discussion going on at Talk:African American#Antebellum?,-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 16:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
This is outdated terminology - why is it being used here ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.90.95.165 ( talk) 23:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Americans do not understand that other countries are multiracial. Someone is not multiracial just because their parents are Ecuadorian and German. Ecuador and Germany are multiracial countries as well! Honestly this article is simply outrageous. And so is the US Census. -- 86.30.135.172 ( talk) 20:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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I do not understand why you people are one dropping these multiracial people even when this article is meant to be against this. You claim you're not racist yet you call them "Black Multiracials" instead of Navtive American, White, or Asian Multiracials. Why are you one dropping them and just writing them off as Black simply because they are mixed with Black. You are saying that they should stop promoting "Black Multiracials" and promote people of mixed European and Asian ancestry. If that's not racist I don't know what is. These people are a perfect example of the race of the future yet you still want to separate than and talk about what's better and what's worse. I am of mixed African, European, and Native American ancestry but I guess to people like you I'm a black person. However I do understand the views of many of these people. I will be adding info to the African American, Asian, and Native Ameican section.
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Look I'm only going to say this once. Multiracial Americans can only exist in the context of the official US Census Bureau. If you aren't going to follow the official rules of race in America then this article might as well be deleted. Steve Jobs is half-Middle Eastern and half-European, which in Census terms translates to 100% white American. Arab and European is NOT mixed race in the United States. Please remove him from the infobox in order to make this article correlate to the established rules of race in America, not the rules you have in your head. 96.241.72.141 ( talk) 00:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
In the next (2020) US Census, you can bet on Middle Eastern will be classified an ethnicity, just like Hispanic or Latino is. The Census discusses groupings like Caribbean-Americans, Oceanian Americans and treating Indian or South Asian groups apart from East Asian groups. Canada has further division into more groups under "visible minorities" and Arabs are considered one of them in the Canadian census. Steve Jobs may be considered all-white/Caucasian in the US, then again the 2020 Census will allow a new ethnicity for Middle-Eastern and North-African Americans. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:F522:3843:F37F:53A ( talk) 16:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
"There is evidence that an accounting by genetic ancestry would produce a higher number, but people live according to social and cultural identities, not DNA." People live acording to what the people looks like. Because obama is dark skinned he is considered black no matter that he was raised by his white grandparents. Tom morello is considered white because he looks white. That his father was black is not important to people. So race isn't determinated by DNA or culture is only determinated by the colour of the skin and by the features of the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.231.101.177 ( talk) 22:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Per WP:Galleries:
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The article uses different words to describe the same thing: ancestry, descent, extraction, stock, etc. This is called inelegant variation. We need to choose one word. Fluous ( talk) 09:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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IP editor 172.58.172.188 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), you have removed the term mixed-blood and the link to the corresponding article. The explanation is "Mixed bloods were part of the Métis identity." Can you explain that more clearly? Are you saying they are the same thing? Do you have any published sources, like books, that you can cite that say this?
Wikipedia has two separate articles, one on Métis, and one on mixed-blood. Both seem to indicate that there are differences between the terms, and at least sometimes Métis is used for people of partial French descent, with Mixed Bloods for English, for example as used in this article published by Collections Canada: [1] In that case it would seem to make sense to include both. -- IamNotU ( talk) 19:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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The proposal would split the existing 150K character article, creating a new article ‘History of Multiracial People’, and would merge content into Multiracial and Multiracial Americans. Join us here. LaTeeDa ( talk) 22:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Very simple bit: this article often talks of people "acknowledging" or wanting to "acknowledge" multi-racial identities and backgrounds. While this is fine, it is worth being aware that many individuals are fully aware of their multi-racial backgrounds (thereby "acknowledging" them), whilst simultaneously being desirous of identifying with only one "race"; these groups are as cultural as they are scientific, after all. The article, in general, is written with the spirit of a kind of "racial truism", whereby "races" are taken as given categories, constants, that must be acknowledged. This is a tricky method of framing that often may ignore the complexities of such identities in the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2703:3c00:7c84:ae3:4ff9:7cb1 ( talk) 03:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Some people accept the spirit of the French Constitution and most of them aren't French.
They don't want the state to record race.
Some (but not all) claim that their philosophical and not biological race is none; being aracialists/nonracialists.
They claim that biological sciences and the state are not one and the same (field of human endeavour).
They claim that the state can use biological data for forensic, archaeological and other reasons, but not for any reason, especially if the personality of the citizen is infringed.
Some (but certainly not all) biological multiracials are philosophical nonracial(ist)s.
With a biased hypernym you don't include the nonracialists
I am swapping sources and some content here, specifically this:
"DNA analysis shows varied results regarding non-European ancestry in self-identified White Americans. A 2002 DNA analysis found that about 30% of self-identified White Americans have recent sub-Saharan African ancestry."
Source: [2]
Actually, the only mentioning of the word recent in this context is to Mark Shriver's personal ancestry:
"To Shriver, the most personally stunning of his findings involved one subject who reported himself to be completely white, yet whose genetic analysis showed that 22 percent of his relatively recent ancestors were African."
A more accurate way to summarize is that 30% of self-reported whites have less than <90% non-European ancestry. The 30% of white Americans from Mark Shriver's study had not only sub-Saharan African but also Asian and Native American ancestry as well.
"The mean African admixture among White Americans is low -- roughly 0,7% African and 99,3 European admixture. To put this in to perspective, this would have been the result if every member of the U.S. White endogamous group alive today had a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture seven generations ago (around the year 1850). Of course, African alleles are not distributed evenly. Seventy percent of White Americans (like 5.5 percent of Blacks) have no detectable African genetic admixture at all. Among the thirty percent of Whites with African genetic admixture, the admixture ratio averages to about 2.3 percent, the equivalent of having a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture from around the year 1880. Black Americans, on the other hand, have significant European admixture (averaging about 75 percent African and 25 percent European)."
"Thus, while the West African contribution to an African American's ancestry averages about 80%, its range is wide (i.e., ~20-100%) (Shriver, et al. 2003). The genetic composition of self-identified European Americans also varies, with ~30% of self-identified European Americans estimated to have < 90% European ancestry."
And on a final note, let me declare my personal opinion that, as a matter of principle, Steve Sailer shouldn't be cited for anything relating to human ancestry, even if he was working for UPI. I am sure there are multiple guidelines and community consensuses that would discourage that. OUP Oxford is a far superior source. I also would like to say that I'm not casting judgment on whoever cited Sailer, as I'm sure they weren't aware of who he was when they did that. 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:40B7:3AD9:B56A:7731 ( talk) 21:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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The infobox, as of this posting, is heavily biased (thus failing WP:UNDUE) towards entertainers and politicians. Additionally the Politicians are heavily biased towards elected and nominee Democrats over other parties (4 to 1). Therefore, I will tag this article accordingly. And recommend that the infobox be diversified by individuals who are notable from different fields of notability other than these two, and that the politicians be excluded or be balanced so that the infobox is neutral.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Look like the issue has been recreated again; again politically unbalanced. :(-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 19:15, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
To centralize this discussion, please see the discussion going on at Talk:African American#Antebellum?,-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 16:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
This is outdated terminology - why is it being used here ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.90.95.165 ( talk) 23:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Americans do not understand that other countries are multiracial. Someone is not multiracial just because their parents are Ecuadorian and German. Ecuador and Germany are multiracial countries as well! Honestly this article is simply outrageous. And so is the US Census. -- 86.30.135.172 ( talk) 20:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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I do not understand why you people are one dropping these multiracial people even when this article is meant to be against this. You claim you're not racist yet you call them "Black Multiracials" instead of Navtive American, White, or Asian Multiracials. Why are you one dropping them and just writing them off as Black simply because they are mixed with Black. You are saying that they should stop promoting "Black Multiracials" and promote people of mixed European and Asian ancestry. If that's not racist I don't know what is. These people are a perfect example of the race of the future yet you still want to separate than and talk about what's better and what's worse. I am of mixed African, European, and Native American ancestry but I guess to people like you I'm a black person. However I do understand the views of many of these people. I will be adding info to the African American, Asian, and Native Ameican section.
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Look I'm only going to say this once. Multiracial Americans can only exist in the context of the official US Census Bureau. If you aren't going to follow the official rules of race in America then this article might as well be deleted. Steve Jobs is half-Middle Eastern and half-European, which in Census terms translates to 100% white American. Arab and European is NOT mixed race in the United States. Please remove him from the infobox in order to make this article correlate to the established rules of race in America, not the rules you have in your head. 96.241.72.141 ( talk) 00:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
In the next (2020) US Census, you can bet on Middle Eastern will be classified an ethnicity, just like Hispanic or Latino is. The Census discusses groupings like Caribbean-Americans, Oceanian Americans and treating Indian or South Asian groups apart from East Asian groups. Canada has further division into more groups under "visible minorities" and Arabs are considered one of them in the Canadian census. Steve Jobs may be considered all-white/Caucasian in the US, then again the 2020 Census will allow a new ethnicity for Middle-Eastern and North-African Americans. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:F522:3843:F37F:53A ( talk) 16:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
"There is evidence that an accounting by genetic ancestry would produce a higher number, but people live according to social and cultural identities, not DNA." People live acording to what the people looks like. Because obama is dark skinned he is considered black no matter that he was raised by his white grandparents. Tom morello is considered white because he looks white. That his father was black is not important to people. So race isn't determinated by DNA or culture is only determinated by the colour of the skin and by the features of the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.231.101.177 ( talk) 22:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Per WP:Galleries:
Cathry, did the presence of more than 123 indiscriminate images "illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images"? Did they "have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject"? Honestly, I think the answer to both of those questions is no. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 21:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 06:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Multiracial American → Multiracial Americans – Per Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 123#Titles of articles about ethnic groups of the United States, the title should be pluralized to reflect accurately the article's explanation about the groups of Americans. George Ho ( talk) 06:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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The article uses different words to describe the same thing: ancestry, descent, extraction, stock, etc. This is called inelegant variation. We need to choose one word. Fluous ( talk) 09:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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IP editor 172.58.172.188 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), you have removed the term mixed-blood and the link to the corresponding article. The explanation is "Mixed bloods were part of the Métis identity." Can you explain that more clearly? Are you saying they are the same thing? Do you have any published sources, like books, that you can cite that say this?
Wikipedia has two separate articles, one on Métis, and one on mixed-blood. Both seem to indicate that there are differences between the terms, and at least sometimes Métis is used for people of partial French descent, with Mixed Bloods for English, for example as used in this article published by Collections Canada: [1] In that case it would seem to make sense to include both. -- IamNotU ( talk) 19:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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The proposal would split the existing 150K character article, creating a new article ‘History of Multiracial People’, and would merge content into Multiracial and Multiracial Americans. Join us here. LaTeeDa ( talk) 22:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Very simple bit: this article often talks of people "acknowledging" or wanting to "acknowledge" multi-racial identities and backgrounds. While this is fine, it is worth being aware that many individuals are fully aware of their multi-racial backgrounds (thereby "acknowledging" them), whilst simultaneously being desirous of identifying with only one "race"; these groups are as cultural as they are scientific, after all. The article, in general, is written with the spirit of a kind of "racial truism", whereby "races" are taken as given categories, constants, that must be acknowledged. This is a tricky method of framing that often may ignore the complexities of such identities in the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2703:3c00:7c84:ae3:4ff9:7cb1 ( talk) 03:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Some people accept the spirit of the French Constitution and most of them aren't French.
They don't want the state to record race.
Some (but not all) claim that their philosophical and not biological race is none; being aracialists/nonracialists.
They claim that biological sciences and the state are not one and the same (field of human endeavour).
They claim that the state can use biological data for forensic, archaeological and other reasons, but not for any reason, especially if the personality of the citizen is infringed.
Some (but certainly not all) biological multiracials are philosophical nonracial(ist)s.
With a biased hypernym you don't include the nonracialists
I am swapping sources and some content here, specifically this:
"DNA analysis shows varied results regarding non-European ancestry in self-identified White Americans. A 2002 DNA analysis found that about 30% of self-identified White Americans have recent sub-Saharan African ancestry."
Source: [2]
Actually, the only mentioning of the word recent in this context is to Mark Shriver's personal ancestry:
"To Shriver, the most personally stunning of his findings involved one subject who reported himself to be completely white, yet whose genetic analysis showed that 22 percent of his relatively recent ancestors were African."
A more accurate way to summarize is that 30% of self-reported whites have less than <90% non-European ancestry. The 30% of white Americans from Mark Shriver's study had not only sub-Saharan African but also Asian and Native American ancestry as well.
"The mean African admixture among White Americans is low -- roughly 0,7% African and 99,3 European admixture. To put this in to perspective, this would have been the result if every member of the U.S. White endogamous group alive today had a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture seven generations ago (around the year 1850). Of course, African alleles are not distributed evenly. Seventy percent of White Americans (like 5.5 percent of Blacks) have no detectable African genetic admixture at all. Among the thirty percent of Whites with African genetic admixture, the admixture ratio averages to about 2.3 percent, the equivalent of having a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture from around the year 1880. Black Americans, on the other hand, have significant European admixture (averaging about 75 percent African and 25 percent European)."
"Thus, while the West African contribution to an African American's ancestry averages about 80%, its range is wide (i.e., ~20-100%) (Shriver, et al. 2003). The genetic composition of self-identified European Americans also varies, with ~30% of self-identified European Americans estimated to have < 90% European ancestry."
And on a final note, let me declare my personal opinion that, as a matter of principle, Steve Sailer shouldn't be cited for anything relating to human ancestry, even if he was working for UPI. I am sure there are multiple guidelines and community consensuses that would discourage that. OUP Oxford is a far superior source. I also would like to say that I'm not casting judgment on whoever cited Sailer, as I'm sure they weren't aware of who he was when they did that. 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:40B7:3AD9:B56A:7731 ( talk) 21:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)