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Removed from article. If someone has more exact information to add, then there is no reason not to put it back. As it is now, it adds nothing but a sense of incompleteness, I think -- Egil 05:04 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)
=== Timeline ===
I've removed the following, it seems un-encyclopedic, at least as long as the significant of it (if any) it is not explained:
al-Sahaf does not have a moustache, which is special for an Iraqi man.
Comical Ali is a redirect. I don't see your point. -- Jia ng
"Al-Sahaf is probably most known for his daily press briefings in Baghdad during the 2003 Iraq War, where his lies, fantasies and colourful description of his enemies reached further heights as the war progressed and earned him the nickname Comical Ali (an allusion to former Iraqi Defence Minister Ali Hassan al-Majid's alias, Chemical Ali). "
Wikipedia is not calling him that, only asserting the fact that others have done so. that is NPOV. We dont assert that people are calling Powell "Comical Powell" because this is not the fact. I don't think this came out of the US government - it was from the internet pop culture. -- Jia ng 04:53, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I've removed this from the page:
The link is 404. If anyone can find another copy of it or something similar, it would be good to have. -- Ben Brockert 02:15, May 25, 2004 (UTC)
Is there actually a clip of him speaking while US tanks/humvees drive by? I've seen numerous claims of this, including this article (which cites a heresay source) but I watched every video of him on YouTube and did an exhaustive Google Image search, but found nothing. There was only one outdoor clip of him and no vehicles were seen. This should probably be removed if it's just an urban legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.5.130 ( talk) 04:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
During the Iraq War, he would have been known in Wales as "The Liar of Baghdad".
Draig goch20 23:34, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The title says Sahhaf, but in the article it says Sahaf, which is correct?
OK, so the British nickname Comical Ali has been explained for US readers, but we Brits get no explanation of "Baghdad Bob". Why Bob? Why is it funny? (Don't answer here or on my talk page please, put it in the article! :)) -- kingboyk 13:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Bob is, generally speaking, regarded as the sort of name given to an oaf, fool, or general moron. His statements earned him that status, and thus he was named Baghdad (location) Bob (mental capacitcy). -USMA2010
Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf I salute you!
Live long and prosper!
His statement about Americans being burnt in their tanks and going to surrender is becoming more and more true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.68.44.148 ( talk) 16:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
It's true.. haahah. Who's laughing now? ;)
You morons were saying? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.85.229 ( talk) 21:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I can't tell where I read of that, but I believe the following to be correct:
-- Keimzelle 23:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Which was...? Don't make allusions like that without explaining them! 81.158.1.11 02:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is actually true in the 1967 war there were two influential officers close to Gamel Abdel Nasser. When the war was going on one was declaring absolute victory over Egyptian Radio. The other was honest and as a result gained in personal influence... Anwar Sadat RichardBond ( talk) 01:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Check out Time with King Hussein on the cover. In there it talks about how the war had been over for a month and the Egyptian media still were reporting it as not over. I agree make it much more exact, because I believe it was only the 67' war that was to that degree. But that would be a citation to use.
To further add on the point above, the following statement is inconclusive "Thus the quick fall of Baghdad was to some a total surprise; Syrian television did not broadcast images of the events. Many in Arab countries who were interviewed later were incredulous and were forced to conclude that al-Sahhaf and their own media had been lying all along"
For those of you who have not visited the Middle East, you will be surprised to find the number of western news channels that are aired here. BBC, CNN, CNBC are all accessible for free by anyone who has a satellite dish and a receiver. The view of Al-Sahaf for someone living in the Middle East was probably the most comical; watch Iraqi TV and you will see Al-Sahaf taking in absolute defiance, one click of the remote button, and we saw the real picture of American forces bulldozing there way into Iraq. Having said, that there might have been a minority that were naive enough to actually buy into Al-Sahaf's claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irhabee ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reason why 'Baghdad Luxury' is given in the introductory parapgraph, whlie 'Baghdad Bob' and 'Comical Ali' are mentioned later on in the text? Shouldn't they all be in the same place? And where did the 'Baghdad Luxury' nickname come from and what does it refer to? 86.153.216.204 22:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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If no proof of the existence of any was found, is his (not shown to be wrong) denial a relevant information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.107.3.110 ( talk) 15:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I checked the reference (#5) for this; the article does not address the issue of Iraq having WMDs. Instead, it says he claimed that Coalition forces could use chemical weapons in the near future. I have corrected the article's text to reflect what the source actually says. SusanBroil ( talk) 10:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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Article needs a photo of him during one of his 2003 briefings. -- HectorMoffet ( talk) 10:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
By this edit an editor has removed text that I added in which, citing a well-known magazine as the reliable source, I included the information that some of the statements of "Baghdad Bob" had turned out to be true. The editor deleting the information stated that it was "POV".
I note, however, that the article states, in the introductory section no less: "He is best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda broadcasts prior to and during the war...." This statement is very clearly opinionated. To balance it, NPOV requires that we include documented evidence of the points in which al-Sahhaf turned out to be right.
There would be a good case to be made for rewriting the introductory section. The term "propaganda" is quite loaded -- does Wikipedia state that Colin Powell's speech to the UN was propaganda? In the meantime, however, we should at least include a factual presentation that undercuts the Bush administration's derision of al-Sahhaf. JamesMLane t c 03:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
The German version of this article claims his death (dated to March 5th) with a reference presumably in Arabic that I can't read. Is this true? Hobbitschuster ( talk) 18:20, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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Removed from article. If someone has more exact information to add, then there is no reason not to put it back. As it is now, it adds nothing but a sense of incompleteness, I think -- Egil 05:04 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)
=== Timeline ===
I've removed the following, it seems un-encyclopedic, at least as long as the significant of it (if any) it is not explained:
al-Sahaf does not have a moustache, which is special for an Iraqi man.
Comical Ali is a redirect. I don't see your point. -- Jia ng
"Al-Sahaf is probably most known for his daily press briefings in Baghdad during the 2003 Iraq War, where his lies, fantasies and colourful description of his enemies reached further heights as the war progressed and earned him the nickname Comical Ali (an allusion to former Iraqi Defence Minister Ali Hassan al-Majid's alias, Chemical Ali). "
Wikipedia is not calling him that, only asserting the fact that others have done so. that is NPOV. We dont assert that people are calling Powell "Comical Powell" because this is not the fact. I don't think this came out of the US government - it was from the internet pop culture. -- Jia ng 04:53, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I've removed this from the page:
The link is 404. If anyone can find another copy of it or something similar, it would be good to have. -- Ben Brockert 02:15, May 25, 2004 (UTC)
Is there actually a clip of him speaking while US tanks/humvees drive by? I've seen numerous claims of this, including this article (which cites a heresay source) but I watched every video of him on YouTube and did an exhaustive Google Image search, but found nothing. There was only one outdoor clip of him and no vehicles were seen. This should probably be removed if it's just an urban legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.5.130 ( talk) 04:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
During the Iraq War, he would have been known in Wales as "The Liar of Baghdad".
Draig goch20 23:34, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The title says Sahhaf, but in the article it says Sahaf, which is correct?
OK, so the British nickname Comical Ali has been explained for US readers, but we Brits get no explanation of "Baghdad Bob". Why Bob? Why is it funny? (Don't answer here or on my talk page please, put it in the article! :)) -- kingboyk 13:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Bob is, generally speaking, regarded as the sort of name given to an oaf, fool, or general moron. His statements earned him that status, and thus he was named Baghdad (location) Bob (mental capacitcy). -USMA2010
Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf I salute you!
Live long and prosper!
His statement about Americans being burnt in their tanks and going to surrender is becoming more and more true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.68.44.148 ( talk) 16:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
It's true.. haahah. Who's laughing now? ;)
You morons were saying? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.85.229 ( talk) 21:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I can't tell where I read of that, but I believe the following to be correct:
-- Keimzelle 23:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Which was...? Don't make allusions like that without explaining them! 81.158.1.11 02:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is actually true in the 1967 war there were two influential officers close to Gamel Abdel Nasser. When the war was going on one was declaring absolute victory over Egyptian Radio. The other was honest and as a result gained in personal influence... Anwar Sadat RichardBond ( talk) 01:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Check out Time with King Hussein on the cover. In there it talks about how the war had been over for a month and the Egyptian media still were reporting it as not over. I agree make it much more exact, because I believe it was only the 67' war that was to that degree. But that would be a citation to use.
To further add on the point above, the following statement is inconclusive "Thus the quick fall of Baghdad was to some a total surprise; Syrian television did not broadcast images of the events. Many in Arab countries who were interviewed later were incredulous and were forced to conclude that al-Sahhaf and their own media had been lying all along"
For those of you who have not visited the Middle East, you will be surprised to find the number of western news channels that are aired here. BBC, CNN, CNBC are all accessible for free by anyone who has a satellite dish and a receiver. The view of Al-Sahaf for someone living in the Middle East was probably the most comical; watch Iraqi TV and you will see Al-Sahaf taking in absolute defiance, one click of the remote button, and we saw the real picture of American forces bulldozing there way into Iraq. Having said, that there might have been a minority that were naive enough to actually buy into Al-Sahaf's claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irhabee ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reason why 'Baghdad Luxury' is given in the introductory parapgraph, whlie 'Baghdad Bob' and 'Comical Ali' are mentioned later on in the text? Shouldn't they all be in the same place? And where did the 'Baghdad Luxury' nickname come from and what does it refer to? 86.153.216.204 22:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
If no proof of the existence of any was found, is his (not shown to be wrong) denial a relevant information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.107.3.110 ( talk) 15:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I checked the reference (#5) for this; the article does not address the issue of Iraq having WMDs. Instead, it says he claimed that Coalition forces could use chemical weapons in the near future. I have corrected the article's text to reflect what the source actually says. SusanBroil ( talk) 10:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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Article needs a photo of him during one of his 2003 briefings. -- HectorMoffet ( talk) 10:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
By this edit an editor has removed text that I added in which, citing a well-known magazine as the reliable source, I included the information that some of the statements of "Baghdad Bob" had turned out to be true. The editor deleting the information stated that it was "POV".
I note, however, that the article states, in the introductory section no less: "He is best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda broadcasts prior to and during the war...." This statement is very clearly opinionated. To balance it, NPOV requires that we include documented evidence of the points in which al-Sahhaf turned out to be right.
There would be a good case to be made for rewriting the introductory section. The term "propaganda" is quite loaded -- does Wikipedia state that Colin Powell's speech to the UN was propaganda? In the meantime, however, we should at least include a factual presentation that undercuts the Bush administration's derision of al-Sahhaf. JamesMLane t c 03:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
The German version of this article claims his death (dated to March 5th) with a reference presumably in Arabic that I can't read. Is this true? Hobbitschuster ( talk) 18:20, 7 March 2021 (UTC)