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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.
Cleanup.
To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?
Standardize the Chronology.
A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
Stub sorting
Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .
Data sorting.
This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.
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Possible addition to the 'Film' subject + addition of a Theatre subject
I was wondering, would it be possible to add that the film 'The Prince of Egypt' depicts Moses and the Egyptian Pharaoh as Rameses? It's just so as to make clear that the film is merely an adaptation with artistic license. Also, a musical theatre adaptation of 'The Prince of Egypt' was released in London in 2020, on the West End. Could someone add in that subject, to contribute to the depictions of Moses in popular culture? Thanks!
Two Red Engines
The Etymology
While the Wikipedia page gives the Egyptian version of Yehuda's etymology as "mw-zꜣ", this is actually a neat piece of original scholarship. Yehuda and Ulmer (the source) actually propose "mw-š". This section should be revised beyond this issue, but nevertheless it is inappropriate to allow such a misattribution to stand.
Konrad Schmid & Jens Schröter
User @
Scorpions1325has reverted this edit of mine where I quoted the opinion of two major Bible scholars (
Konrad Schmid and
Jens Schröter) on the historicity of Moses, from a book published by
Harvard University Press. As an explanation from his reversal he has stated that I need to Get consensus on the talk page before turning the article on its head. Personally, I don't think that citing the opinion of the authors of a
WP:RS on the topic has anything to do with "turning the article on its head", especially when the very first sentence of the Historicity section states that Scholars hold different opinions on the historicity of Moses. Why do you think that the opinions of those two scholars cannot be cited in the article?
Potatín5 (
talk) 13:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It doesn't sound like very many scholars agree that Moses as described in the Bible was a historical person. I personally believe in a Moses-like figure, but saying that the Moses of the Bible was a historical figure out of context seems like we are heading into
WP:FRINGE territory. You should prove these opinions aren't
WP:FRINGE by adding more sources that agree with the scholars you cited.
Scorpions1325 (
talk) 14:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
In
this previous edit user
Ramos1990 provided another source which states that there are still many who view the source material concerning Moses with incipient optimism (Campbell; Albright 1973, 48-76; Beegle; Hoffmeier), and our current article also mentions that, according to Solomon Nigosian, there are scholars who believe that Moses existed and that he played a decisive role in the history of Israelite religion. Do you think that these sources are enough?
Potatín5 (
talk) 14:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Potatín5, just noting that other sources in the historicity section such as the Oxford Companion and Oxford online ones say similar things. I think your source is a good one as part of the range of views found in scholarship.
Ramos1990 (
talk) 17:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It cannot be proven that Moses did not exist, but in the case he existed he wasn't the bigger than life character of the Bible.
tgeorgescu (
talk) 12:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Druze and Baha'i faithes
The text is written as if the Druze and Baha'i faithes are part of Abrahamic religions. But is it correct?
Aminabzz (
talk) 15:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Done. I changed the category for Deuteronomy by adding "people". Since it's a subcategory, the main category doesn't need to be listed. --
Valjean (
talk) (PING me) 04:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This material has been removed as based on non-RS. I am not so sure about that, this "Sesh kemet" guy may be batshit crazy, or maybe he's the chair of Egyptology at Oxford making good use of his time off. Maybe others will be able to figure it out. Here it is:
The various possible Egyptian forms of the name and their respective meanings are : ms-is/mos-is or ms-isw/mos-isu (born of a reed), ms-SAi/mos-shai (born of a bundle of flax), ms-H/mos-eḥ or ms-mHy/mos-meḥy (born of flax), mw-sA/mu-sa (son of the Nile), msa/mosa (hand birth, 'pulled or birth'), ms-mw/mos-mu (born of water), ms/mos or msw/mosu (child), msy/mosy (child of), msi (to produce, bring forth), msyt/mosyt (those who are born), Ptah-mose (in the case of Moses as a nickname). [1]
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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.
Cleanup.
To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?
Standardize the Chronology.
A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
Stub sorting
Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .
Data sorting.
This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.
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Possible addition to the 'Film' subject + addition of a Theatre subject
I was wondering, would it be possible to add that the film 'The Prince of Egypt' depicts Moses and the Egyptian Pharaoh as Rameses? It's just so as to make clear that the film is merely an adaptation with artistic license. Also, a musical theatre adaptation of 'The Prince of Egypt' was released in London in 2020, on the West End. Could someone add in that subject, to contribute to the depictions of Moses in popular culture? Thanks!
Two Red Engines
The Etymology
While the Wikipedia page gives the Egyptian version of Yehuda's etymology as "mw-zꜣ", this is actually a neat piece of original scholarship. Yehuda and Ulmer (the source) actually propose "mw-š". This section should be revised beyond this issue, but nevertheless it is inappropriate to allow such a misattribution to stand.
Konrad Schmid & Jens Schröter
User @
Scorpions1325has reverted this edit of mine where I quoted the opinion of two major Bible scholars (
Konrad Schmid and
Jens Schröter) on the historicity of Moses, from a book published by
Harvard University Press. As an explanation from his reversal he has stated that I need to Get consensus on the talk page before turning the article on its head. Personally, I don't think that citing the opinion of the authors of a
WP:RS on the topic has anything to do with "turning the article on its head", especially when the very first sentence of the Historicity section states that Scholars hold different opinions on the historicity of Moses. Why do you think that the opinions of those two scholars cannot be cited in the article?
Potatín5 (
talk) 13:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It doesn't sound like very many scholars agree that Moses as described in the Bible was a historical person. I personally believe in a Moses-like figure, but saying that the Moses of the Bible was a historical figure out of context seems like we are heading into
WP:FRINGE territory. You should prove these opinions aren't
WP:FRINGE by adding more sources that agree with the scholars you cited.
Scorpions1325 (
talk) 14:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
In
this previous edit user
Ramos1990 provided another source which states that there are still many who view the source material concerning Moses with incipient optimism (Campbell; Albright 1973, 48-76; Beegle; Hoffmeier), and our current article also mentions that, according to Solomon Nigosian, there are scholars who believe that Moses existed and that he played a decisive role in the history of Israelite religion. Do you think that these sources are enough?
Potatín5 (
talk) 14:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Potatín5, just noting that other sources in the historicity section such as the Oxford Companion and Oxford online ones say similar things. I think your source is a good one as part of the range of views found in scholarship.
Ramos1990 (
talk) 17:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It cannot be proven that Moses did not exist, but in the case he existed he wasn't the bigger than life character of the Bible.
tgeorgescu (
talk) 12:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Druze and Baha'i faithes
The text is written as if the Druze and Baha'i faithes are part of Abrahamic religions. But is it correct?
Aminabzz (
talk) 15:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Done. I changed the category for Deuteronomy by adding "people". Since it's a subcategory, the main category doesn't need to be listed. --
Valjean (
talk) (PING me) 04:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This material has been removed as based on non-RS. I am not so sure about that, this "Sesh kemet" guy may be batshit crazy, or maybe he's the chair of Egyptology at Oxford making good use of his time off. Maybe others will be able to figure it out. Here it is:
The various possible Egyptian forms of the name and their respective meanings are : ms-is/mos-is or ms-isw/mos-isu (born of a reed), ms-SAi/mos-shai (born of a bundle of flax), ms-H/mos-eḥ or ms-mHy/mos-meḥy (born of flax), mw-sA/mu-sa (son of the Nile), msa/mosa (hand birth, 'pulled or birth'), ms-mw/mos-mu (born of water), ms/mos or msw/mosu (child), msy/mosy (child of), msi (to produce, bring forth), msyt/mosyt (those who are born), Ptah-mose (in the case of Moses as a nickname). [1]
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