Melville Island (Nova Scotia) is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 3, 2012. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Would it be possible to artfully incorporate a link to this page from Halifax Regional Municipality. It seems like this well written article deserves to be linked from the page of the city where it is found. Mattximus ( talk) 02:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Would it make sense to also give conversions in present-day Canadian dollars in addition or instead of present-day pounds sterling? I'm suggesting that because the article deals with a Nova Scotian locality. Also, do the sources mention what pounds were used? I'm assuming it would be pounds sterling, although it could have been the Nova Scotian pound (pegged to the sterling but replaced by the Nova Scotian dollar and then Canadian dollars). Maxim (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
The article title begs the question - why is it known by the name Island? I scanned the article, couldn't find an explanation. -- Chriswaterguy talk 11:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I was just in the process of adding an infobox to this article, when it was removed with the edit summary "infobox adds nothing here. All of its information is contained within the first few lines of the article". The purpose of an infobox is to summarise in a standardised way the salient key features of its subject, from elsewhere on the page, even the lede, and to emit them as metadata. The infobox should be restored; and expanded. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
|population=
and |type=
(both of which are not "fairly fundamental", but entirely optional,; and assuming the latter has a value of "peninsular", per the article's opening, "Melville Island is a small peninsula") would not meet with your approval; and say whether you would accept the infobox without one or both of them.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Is that it? I've already refuted that bogus claim, quite thoroughly, and your editing the word "settlement" out of the subheading and text doesn't change anything. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>) ... </span>
I'm usually in favor of infoboxes, wherever they could potentially be useful (to readers, and to researchers via unique metadata). It's often possible to find a compromise solution, based on the nuanced needs and problems in each individual article. But it involves more work than just dumping a giant empty template on an article, especially in the middle of the day that the article is on the MainPage, and then filling out field by field as much as you can whilst reading through. (Although, Andy was reverted within minutes, so didn't have a chance to demonstrate just how much info he envisioned being in the final product. I'm not sure if he intended the minimal-version that appeared later, or a more completely-filled-out-version like that in Halifax Peninsula. More on that, below.)
Here, the choice between With and Without is not clear-cut. For a reader, the coord is already available in the topright corner, and the Country/Province/Municipality info in the first 2 sentences; therefore it can almost make equal sense to go without infobox, and enlarge the size of lead image (from 1.3 to 1.35) even further. That whole "draw the reader in" angle, and also the "don't distract the reader with barely-relevant details" angle (we could add timezone, and population=0, and currently-controlling-political-party/mayor, and postcode and and... thankdoG there isn't a [Template:Infobox marina] (yet) to completely confuse things... gah! No wonder some people are hostile towards over-infoboxing...) ...
Regarding metadata, what does infoboxsettlement actually/exactly output currently, in this case? If we use the infobox, will it add those 3 fields (Country/Province/Municipality) to http://dbpedia.org/page/Melville_Island_(Nova_Scotia) ? --- If I do a comparison with Abydos, Egypt and http://dbpedia.org/page/Abydos,_Egypt then I'm guessing an infobox would add "dbpedia-owl:country", "dbpedia-owl:isPartOf", "dbpprop:subdivisionName", and "dbpprop:subdivisionType" fields into dbpedia's entry for Melville Island.
One worry, is would it also turn the subheading from the current "An Entity of Type : _Feature" into what Abydos has, "An Entity of Type : populated place", because that would probably be a mistake (depending on how rigorous the definitions are, ideally and realistically). What are the implications of "rdf:type = gml:_Feature" and can/should it be improved in any way? — Quiddity ( talk) 19:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
<tr class="mergedrow"> <th>Governorate</th> <td><a href="/info/en/?search=Sohag_Governorate" title="Sohag Governorate">Sohag Governorate</a></td>
The behaviour that you describe is typical of Andy Mabbett when he's thwarted in his attempts to force info-boxes on pages where the editors don't want them. Giano 13:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I've just fully protected this page for three days because of the edit war that went on yesterday and today. Please discuss proposed changes here instead of edit warring (see WP:BRD), you may consider dispute resolution steps, as well. Mark Arsten ( talk) 18:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 05:23, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.halifax.ca/harboursol/documents/ExecutiveSummaryFinalSummaryReport.pdfWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 23:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 03:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Melville Island (Nova Scotia) is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 3, 2012. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Would it be possible to artfully incorporate a link to this page from Halifax Regional Municipality. It seems like this well written article deserves to be linked from the page of the city where it is found. Mattximus ( talk) 02:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Would it make sense to also give conversions in present-day Canadian dollars in addition or instead of present-day pounds sterling? I'm suggesting that because the article deals with a Nova Scotian locality. Also, do the sources mention what pounds were used? I'm assuming it would be pounds sterling, although it could have been the Nova Scotian pound (pegged to the sterling but replaced by the Nova Scotian dollar and then Canadian dollars). Maxim (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
The article title begs the question - why is it known by the name Island? I scanned the article, couldn't find an explanation. -- Chriswaterguy talk 11:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I was just in the process of adding an infobox to this article, when it was removed with the edit summary "infobox adds nothing here. All of its information is contained within the first few lines of the article". The purpose of an infobox is to summarise in a standardised way the salient key features of its subject, from elsewhere on the page, even the lede, and to emit them as metadata. The infobox should be restored; and expanded. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
|population=
and |type=
(both of which are not "fairly fundamental", but entirely optional,; and assuming the latter has a value of "peninsular", per the article's opening, "Melville Island is a small peninsula") would not meet with your approval; and say whether you would accept the infobox without one or both of them.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Is that it? I've already refuted that bogus claim, quite thoroughly, and your editing the word "settlement" out of the subheading and text doesn't change anything. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>) ... </span>
I'm usually in favor of infoboxes, wherever they could potentially be useful (to readers, and to researchers via unique metadata). It's often possible to find a compromise solution, based on the nuanced needs and problems in each individual article. But it involves more work than just dumping a giant empty template on an article, especially in the middle of the day that the article is on the MainPage, and then filling out field by field as much as you can whilst reading through. (Although, Andy was reverted within minutes, so didn't have a chance to demonstrate just how much info he envisioned being in the final product. I'm not sure if he intended the minimal-version that appeared later, or a more completely-filled-out-version like that in Halifax Peninsula. More on that, below.)
Here, the choice between With and Without is not clear-cut. For a reader, the coord is already available in the topright corner, and the Country/Province/Municipality info in the first 2 sentences; therefore it can almost make equal sense to go without infobox, and enlarge the size of lead image (from 1.3 to 1.35) even further. That whole "draw the reader in" angle, and also the "don't distract the reader with barely-relevant details" angle (we could add timezone, and population=0, and currently-controlling-political-party/mayor, and postcode and and... thankdoG there isn't a [Template:Infobox marina] (yet) to completely confuse things... gah! No wonder some people are hostile towards over-infoboxing...) ...
Regarding metadata, what does infoboxsettlement actually/exactly output currently, in this case? If we use the infobox, will it add those 3 fields (Country/Province/Municipality) to http://dbpedia.org/page/Melville_Island_(Nova_Scotia) ? --- If I do a comparison with Abydos, Egypt and http://dbpedia.org/page/Abydos,_Egypt then I'm guessing an infobox would add "dbpedia-owl:country", "dbpedia-owl:isPartOf", "dbpprop:subdivisionName", and "dbpprop:subdivisionType" fields into dbpedia's entry for Melville Island.
One worry, is would it also turn the subheading from the current "An Entity of Type : _Feature" into what Abydos has, "An Entity of Type : populated place", because that would probably be a mistake (depending on how rigorous the definitions are, ideally and realistically). What are the implications of "rdf:type = gml:_Feature" and can/should it be improved in any way? — Quiddity ( talk) 19:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
<tr class="mergedrow"> <th>Governorate</th> <td><a href="/info/en/?search=Sohag_Governorate" title="Sohag Governorate">Sohag Governorate</a></td>
The behaviour that you describe is typical of Andy Mabbett when he's thwarted in his attempts to force info-boxes on pages where the editors don't want them. Giano 13:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I've just fully protected this page for three days because of the edit war that went on yesterday and today. Please discuss proposed changes here instead of edit warring (see WP:BRD), you may consider dispute resolution steps, as well. Mark Arsten ( talk) 18:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 05:23, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.halifax.ca/harboursol/documents/ExecutiveSummaryFinalSummaryReport.pdfWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 23:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Melville Island (Nova Scotia). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 03:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)