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What does "and Geraldo Rivera was sent from Afghanistan after drawing a crude map in the sand, possibly revealing troop movements on air." mean? I thought he was in Iraq! Tompagenet 00:04 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)
True. I intended to change it once I had verification of the question I posted above... I think it was actually zero casualties among embedded journalists which would be surprisingly low by anyone’s standards.
Because listing him with casualties implies that he was a casualty of combat. He wasn't. Someone else listed him and conveniently left out how and why he died.
No, not necessarily. But in this case, yes, it is silly. I watched it happen. Live. There was no way this was staged.. It took all morning to knock that statue down.. if it was staged they would have done it within minutes. If it was staged - there probably would have been larger crowds. If it was staged there would have been more "PR" shots of Iraqis waving US flags and stuff like that. Until its supported by a larger number of media organizations or until a memo is found telling US troops "Hey, lets stage a media event around the statue in Baghdad" or until an out of work Iraqi actor comes forward and says I was paid $5 to tear the sta
Other wiki contributors have already done that for me. Just look at some of the other Iraq war articles.
Why remove the reason the British navy removed the BBC from their ship? Why remove that David Bloom died of a blood clot?
I don't know. I didn't add him. I only added why and how he died. See above.
Agreed.
Removed anchor quotes: For example:
Anchor Neal Cavuto said of those "who opposed the liberation of Iraq": "You were sickening then, you are sickening now." Anchor John Gibson said he hoped "the dopey old U.N." would not be responsible for Iraq's reconstruction A correspondent called anti-war protestors "the great unwashed" Other networks had strongly pro-war commentators, including MSNBC. For example:
"They are absolutely committing sedition, or treason." "These leftist stooges for anti-American causes are always given a free pass. Isn't it time to make them stand up and be counted for their views?" --exchange between commentator Michael Savage and Joe Scarborough on Savage's MSNBC talk show
The reason: All of these networks have strongly pro-war and strongly anti-war commentators and anchors. Why pick out the quotes of a few for this article? I can name as many people on some of these networks that were very clearly against the war as I can people that were for it.
"The images of the statue falling came as a shock to many Arab viewers who had been led to believe that Iraq was winning the war."
eh? I thought most Arab viewers were shocked by the lack of support and rapid collapse of the regime. -- erzengel 1540 UTC - 23 Apr 2003
Who is "Robert Entman"? Why should any weight be attached to his views? -- 217.24.129.50 15:51 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
He is an American professor in communication in the University of North Carolina in the US. Authored several books. His next book to publish is "Projections of Power : Framing News, Public Opinion, and Foreign Policy ", which is said to analyze impact of medias on foreign politics. I think typing his name in google will give you any further indication of why any weight could be attached to his views. On the first 10 hits, I found http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/communication/www/faculty_profiles/entman/ which should help you.
As it happens, this man is enlightened enough to give interviews to foreign journalists (hear, non American) which allow non American to benefit from his views from time to time. :-)
The images did not show that the plaza where the statue stood, surrounded by the dozens of Iraqis, was otherwise empty, and was cordoned off by U.S. tanks.
OK, someone has to explain the importance of this sentence. First, the images I saw that day DID show that the plaza was otherwise empty other than the crowd of Iraqis around the statue. I saw no attempt to make the crowd look bigger than it was... I for one had a pretty clear picture of how many people were there. Secondly, the images I saw - live, on that day - did show that US tanks were keeping the plaza safe and empty of Iraqi forces.. (Or as you put it, "cordoned off"). What else do you expect them to do? When Coalition forces moved into any section of Baghdad (or other cities) they immediately secured the area. They had to do that and I don't think anyone would expect anything else. It wasn't a safe place to be.. it was a war zone. You move in - you have to take defensive positions around the area to keep enemy military forces out. The live coverage of the event that I saw even included interviews with Marines sitting around the plaza on tanks watching for Iraqi forces. So, with these things in mind - please explain why this sentence is necessary.
Please compare these three sentences, 216.229.90.232:
Thank you (in advance) for respecting our NPOV policy. Tannin 08:22 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)
Above the one you added? I thought that it was made pretty clear who Robert Entman was. -- John Owens
my country was allowed very little good placed journalists, so most of the movies displayed on big national network were directly "fed" to us by american journalists hosted by the american army. This is what we have been fed by american media. Other independant journalists were able to take movies which showed different things and different angles that the angles offered by american journalists. In any case, I already tried to explain that to you, and you already stated that this was french media report, and that what french media had showed us (coming from american info as I mentionned) was silly. Media was not reporting the fall of the statue did not occur. It was reporting it did not occur the way the movie showed.
The following text has been moved from Talk:2003 invasion of Iraq.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/01/22/iraq_doom/index_np.html
Information Clearing House photo was clearly taken after fall of Statue. Updated information See photo taken that was taken during event. http://www.right-thinking.com/images/uploads/statue_debunk.jpg
link not working so I am using this temp link for now http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=712863&page=0&vc=1#Post712863
Shouldn't army report be put back in?
It is quite unreasonable to not have anything on the Newspaper coverage of the invasion to now. All that this article covers is televised media, not printed media. -- AJFederation
I think, in the long wrong if the 1000 or 2000 milestones are remembered, its probably the 1000th that will be remembered the most. Therefore, the 1000th probably warrants more space here than the 2000th. I suspect the 2000th seems more signficant now, merely because its more recent. The 1000th happened during a presidential campaign, and probably had more impact and notice. I'm not suggesting either needs to be mentioned, but just that the 2000th is less signficant. -- Rob 16:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia must be the only outfit in the world that still believes this thoroughly discredited cock and bull story. Aside from the fact that there are several pictures on the internet that show that the street was virtually empty that day, all you would have to do is watch the documentary Control Room to see that it was a staged incident. If the person editing this piece is a supporter of the Iraq War fine, but trying to defend a sloppy piece of pentagon propaganda is intellectually dishonest. user:Annoymous
What does it mean anyways that the event was "staged"? It was a genuine act of vandalism of the statue. You think it was done with CGI? The media were housed across the square. So regardless of who pulled the statue down, it was going to be filmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.44.230 ( talk) 23:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, perhaps that might of meant something with that sad attempt at apologist dribble had he said "fake" instead of staged. The event was staged by US troops, this has been well documented. That you failed at even trying to ignore this with a technicality, as that wasnt correcting him on his words, he never mentioned the statue wasnt pulled down and staged is the correct word to use, shows how inept you Pro-War supporters are. Hahaha.
I have tried to give the article a more linear, coherent structure, by reordering the sections. I've put the more general categories up top, and I've moved the related sections closer to one another. Benzocane 17:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have also changed the 'sympathetic' 'unsympathetic' subsection headings in order to make them more clear and more consistent with wiki language in similar entries. Benzocane 18:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have also added and cleaned up the bias subsections for the sake of clarity. I am still working on this and would appreciate help. Currently, the subsection on pro-u.s. bias is basically unsourced. I'm having trouble locating good sources for these claims. Any thoughts? Benzocane 19:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
One issue that seemed to be missing from this article entirely was a discussion of Iraqi media coverage of the invasion. I have added that section, focusing on 3 points: 1) State control of Iraqi media prior to the invasion (by all accounts, Saddam was a vicious opponent of a free press); 2) The proliferation of media outlets post invasion; and 3) U.S. efforts to affect Iraqi media coverage by planting stories. I welcome thoughts as to whether there are other issues under the heading of Iraqi media coverage that are worthy of including here. -- Mackabean 16:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
As part of the effort to clean this article up, I moved the section previously titled "Bodies returning to Dover" to the Coverage of Casualties section. First, "Bodies returning" seems pretty unencyplopedic and probably violates NPOV. It also seems more appropriately a subset of that larger issue (coverage of casualties), as opposed to its own section.
I have some further thoughts/questions on this section. 1. Should this actually be somewhere under U.S. mainstream media coverage? Because I imagine the coverage of casualties was very different in the international and especially Iraqi media. 2. If not, does anyone have information about how the non US media covered casualties? 3. Right now this just talks about U.S. military casualties. Does anyone have good information on the coverage of civilian casualties. 4. There is a lot of discussion about the coverage of the 1000th, 2000th, and 3000th casualties right now. It seems to be more than is necessary. Does anyone think it should be cut down? Thanks. -- Mackabean 17:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Lead para with just one sentence is not acceptable. Please work on the lead section as per WP:Lead. Once you completed it, please ping me on my talk page. -- Kalyan 20:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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What does "and Geraldo Rivera was sent from Afghanistan after drawing a crude map in the sand, possibly revealing troop movements on air." mean? I thought he was in Iraq! Tompagenet 00:04 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)
True. I intended to change it once I had verification of the question I posted above... I think it was actually zero casualties among embedded journalists which would be surprisingly low by anyone’s standards.
Because listing him with casualties implies that he was a casualty of combat. He wasn't. Someone else listed him and conveniently left out how and why he died.
No, not necessarily. But in this case, yes, it is silly. I watched it happen. Live. There was no way this was staged.. It took all morning to knock that statue down.. if it was staged they would have done it within minutes. If it was staged - there probably would have been larger crowds. If it was staged there would have been more "PR" shots of Iraqis waving US flags and stuff like that. Until its supported by a larger number of media organizations or until a memo is found telling US troops "Hey, lets stage a media event around the statue in Baghdad" or until an out of work Iraqi actor comes forward and says I was paid $5 to tear the sta
Other wiki contributors have already done that for me. Just look at some of the other Iraq war articles.
Why remove the reason the British navy removed the BBC from their ship? Why remove that David Bloom died of a blood clot?
I don't know. I didn't add him. I only added why and how he died. See above.
Agreed.
Removed anchor quotes: For example:
Anchor Neal Cavuto said of those "who opposed the liberation of Iraq": "You were sickening then, you are sickening now." Anchor John Gibson said he hoped "the dopey old U.N." would not be responsible for Iraq's reconstruction A correspondent called anti-war protestors "the great unwashed" Other networks had strongly pro-war commentators, including MSNBC. For example:
"They are absolutely committing sedition, or treason." "These leftist stooges for anti-American causes are always given a free pass. Isn't it time to make them stand up and be counted for their views?" --exchange between commentator Michael Savage and Joe Scarborough on Savage's MSNBC talk show
The reason: All of these networks have strongly pro-war and strongly anti-war commentators and anchors. Why pick out the quotes of a few for this article? I can name as many people on some of these networks that were very clearly against the war as I can people that were for it.
"The images of the statue falling came as a shock to many Arab viewers who had been led to believe that Iraq was winning the war."
eh? I thought most Arab viewers were shocked by the lack of support and rapid collapse of the regime. -- erzengel 1540 UTC - 23 Apr 2003
Who is "Robert Entman"? Why should any weight be attached to his views? -- 217.24.129.50 15:51 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
He is an American professor in communication in the University of North Carolina in the US. Authored several books. His next book to publish is "Projections of Power : Framing News, Public Opinion, and Foreign Policy ", which is said to analyze impact of medias on foreign politics. I think typing his name in google will give you any further indication of why any weight could be attached to his views. On the first 10 hits, I found http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/communication/www/faculty_profiles/entman/ which should help you.
As it happens, this man is enlightened enough to give interviews to foreign journalists (hear, non American) which allow non American to benefit from his views from time to time. :-)
The images did not show that the plaza where the statue stood, surrounded by the dozens of Iraqis, was otherwise empty, and was cordoned off by U.S. tanks.
OK, someone has to explain the importance of this sentence. First, the images I saw that day DID show that the plaza was otherwise empty other than the crowd of Iraqis around the statue. I saw no attempt to make the crowd look bigger than it was... I for one had a pretty clear picture of how many people were there. Secondly, the images I saw - live, on that day - did show that US tanks were keeping the plaza safe and empty of Iraqi forces.. (Or as you put it, "cordoned off"). What else do you expect them to do? When Coalition forces moved into any section of Baghdad (or other cities) they immediately secured the area. They had to do that and I don't think anyone would expect anything else. It wasn't a safe place to be.. it was a war zone. You move in - you have to take defensive positions around the area to keep enemy military forces out. The live coverage of the event that I saw even included interviews with Marines sitting around the plaza on tanks watching for Iraqi forces. So, with these things in mind - please explain why this sentence is necessary.
Please compare these three sentences, 216.229.90.232:
Thank you (in advance) for respecting our NPOV policy. Tannin 08:22 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)
Above the one you added? I thought that it was made pretty clear who Robert Entman was. -- John Owens
my country was allowed very little good placed journalists, so most of the movies displayed on big national network were directly "fed" to us by american journalists hosted by the american army. This is what we have been fed by american media. Other independant journalists were able to take movies which showed different things and different angles that the angles offered by american journalists. In any case, I already tried to explain that to you, and you already stated that this was french media report, and that what french media had showed us (coming from american info as I mentionned) was silly. Media was not reporting the fall of the statue did not occur. It was reporting it did not occur the way the movie showed.
The following text has been moved from Talk:2003 invasion of Iraq.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/01/22/iraq_doom/index_np.html
Information Clearing House photo was clearly taken after fall of Statue. Updated information See photo taken that was taken during event. http://www.right-thinking.com/images/uploads/statue_debunk.jpg
link not working so I am using this temp link for now http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=712863&page=0&vc=1#Post712863
Shouldn't army report be put back in?
It is quite unreasonable to not have anything on the Newspaper coverage of the invasion to now. All that this article covers is televised media, not printed media. -- AJFederation
I think, in the long wrong if the 1000 or 2000 milestones are remembered, its probably the 1000th that will be remembered the most. Therefore, the 1000th probably warrants more space here than the 2000th. I suspect the 2000th seems more signficant now, merely because its more recent. The 1000th happened during a presidential campaign, and probably had more impact and notice. I'm not suggesting either needs to be mentioned, but just that the 2000th is less signficant. -- Rob 16:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia must be the only outfit in the world that still believes this thoroughly discredited cock and bull story. Aside from the fact that there are several pictures on the internet that show that the street was virtually empty that day, all you would have to do is watch the documentary Control Room to see that it was a staged incident. If the person editing this piece is a supporter of the Iraq War fine, but trying to defend a sloppy piece of pentagon propaganda is intellectually dishonest. user:Annoymous
What does it mean anyways that the event was "staged"? It was a genuine act of vandalism of the statue. You think it was done with CGI? The media were housed across the square. So regardless of who pulled the statue down, it was going to be filmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.44.230 ( talk) 23:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, perhaps that might of meant something with that sad attempt at apologist dribble had he said "fake" instead of staged. The event was staged by US troops, this has been well documented. That you failed at even trying to ignore this with a technicality, as that wasnt correcting him on his words, he never mentioned the statue wasnt pulled down and staged is the correct word to use, shows how inept you Pro-War supporters are. Hahaha.
I have tried to give the article a more linear, coherent structure, by reordering the sections. I've put the more general categories up top, and I've moved the related sections closer to one another. Benzocane 17:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have also changed the 'sympathetic' 'unsympathetic' subsection headings in order to make them more clear and more consistent with wiki language in similar entries. Benzocane 18:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have also added and cleaned up the bias subsections for the sake of clarity. I am still working on this and would appreciate help. Currently, the subsection on pro-u.s. bias is basically unsourced. I'm having trouble locating good sources for these claims. Any thoughts? Benzocane 19:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
One issue that seemed to be missing from this article entirely was a discussion of Iraqi media coverage of the invasion. I have added that section, focusing on 3 points: 1) State control of Iraqi media prior to the invasion (by all accounts, Saddam was a vicious opponent of a free press); 2) The proliferation of media outlets post invasion; and 3) U.S. efforts to affect Iraqi media coverage by planting stories. I welcome thoughts as to whether there are other issues under the heading of Iraqi media coverage that are worthy of including here. -- Mackabean 16:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
As part of the effort to clean this article up, I moved the section previously titled "Bodies returning to Dover" to the Coverage of Casualties section. First, "Bodies returning" seems pretty unencyplopedic and probably violates NPOV. It also seems more appropriately a subset of that larger issue (coverage of casualties), as opposed to its own section.
I have some further thoughts/questions on this section. 1. Should this actually be somewhere under U.S. mainstream media coverage? Because I imagine the coverage of casualties was very different in the international and especially Iraqi media. 2. If not, does anyone have information about how the non US media covered casualties? 3. Right now this just talks about U.S. military casualties. Does anyone have good information on the coverage of civilian casualties. 4. There is a lot of discussion about the coverage of the 1000th, 2000th, and 3000th casualties right now. It seems to be more than is necessary. Does anyone think it should be cut down? Thanks. -- Mackabean 17:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Lead para with just one sentence is not acceptable. Please work on the lead section as per WP:Lead. Once you completed it, please ping me on my talk page. -- Kalyan 20:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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