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Hmm... Weygand in Poland, isn't it verbatim quote from Davies? Szopen
Again, any English reader can confirm this? For me it seems like verbatim quote from Davies book about Polish-Soviet war... Szopen 14:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
09:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Why is it surprising that Polish officers in Poland would be speaking in Polish? Why would this be attempting to mislead the reader that this was to exclude Weygand from their military plans? Dr.Dan
Because they know French, and Weygand supposedly was member of the staff, if only adviser. So to not inform him about anything and deliberately NOT to speak French was indeed excluding Weygand from military plans Szopen 11:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Very long-winded on marginal subjects (Polish period, etc.) Heavy-handed irony ("the short but efficient...") Much of the text contradictory and/or confusing. Reads like poor translation from the French.
FRENCH WAS AT THAT TIME SPOKEN IN HIGHER CIRCLES OF THE SOCIETY AND ALMOST EVERY OFFICER HAD A GOOD COMMAND OF IT. SPEAKING POLISH IN FRONT OF A RESPECTED GUEST FROM FRANCE WAS A VERY UNPOLITE BEHAVIOUR. BY THE WAY, THIS PASSUS IS ALMOST ENTIRELY (IF NOT 100 PER CENT ENTIRELY) "STOLEN" FROM NORMAN DAVIES' "WHITE EAGLE - RED STAR" BOOK. Polish-my-Polish
Re the lead art, isn't that Petain, not Weygand? At the very least, you might get a better picture.
Why did Weygand prevent General Georges from counter attacking the German salient upon taking over from Gamelin, only to reinstate the "order" (which Gamelin had so poorly phrased as to be advice rather than orders) 48 hours later when it was too late ? Was it just to assert his authority ?-- Streona ( talk) 17:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Citation needed. 2.28.140.201 ( talk) 18:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Was he known as Maxime de Nimal until he was recognised by the elder Weygand? Jackiespeel ( talk) 16:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The article says he was arrested after the war, but then cleared of all charges. Also interesting that he was raised in a Jewish household but then appears to have carried out anti-Semitic acts. All this should be better clarified and explained. Beebop211 ( talk) 19:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The wiki page on Petain says 'Weygand had been at the British Army 1934 manoeuvres at Tidworth Camp in June and was appalled by what he had seen.'
The article says he and his wife "had a younger son Jacques"; did they have an older son too? This is curious phrasing. Biblioteqa ( talk) 17:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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Nb, there are some other biographies in English that seem reasonably recent.
The former is an Indiana University Press publication. The latter is by, it seems, a professor emeritus at Brock University. The interwar period is not at all my speciality but it seems these sources might be useful. The former seems reasonably cited by others.
There seems to be some criticism of the latter as too hagiographic. Whether that is valid is beyond me to say. Clinton, Michael (2012-03-01). The Historian. 74 (1): 173–174.
doi:
10.1111/j.1540-6563.2011.00314_61.x.
ISSN
0018-2370.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link) See also Hage, F E (2011-01-24). French History. 25 (1): 134–135.
doi:
10.1093/fh/crr012.
ISSN
0269-1191.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link) Perhaps a bit less condemnatory, Young, Robert J. (2009). The Journal of Military History. 73 (1): 303–304.
doi:
10.1353/jmh.0.0187.
ISSN
1543-7795.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)
Regardless, I would like to see some expansion on the 20 years or so of life Weygand had after 1945. Ifly6 ( talk) 20:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hmm... Weygand in Poland, isn't it verbatim quote from Davies? Szopen
Again, any English reader can confirm this? For me it seems like verbatim quote from Davies book about Polish-Soviet war... Szopen 14:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
09:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Why is it surprising that Polish officers in Poland would be speaking in Polish? Why would this be attempting to mislead the reader that this was to exclude Weygand from their military plans? Dr.Dan
Because they know French, and Weygand supposedly was member of the staff, if only adviser. So to not inform him about anything and deliberately NOT to speak French was indeed excluding Weygand from military plans Szopen 11:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Very long-winded on marginal subjects (Polish period, etc.) Heavy-handed irony ("the short but efficient...") Much of the text contradictory and/or confusing. Reads like poor translation from the French.
FRENCH WAS AT THAT TIME SPOKEN IN HIGHER CIRCLES OF THE SOCIETY AND ALMOST EVERY OFFICER HAD A GOOD COMMAND OF IT. SPEAKING POLISH IN FRONT OF A RESPECTED GUEST FROM FRANCE WAS A VERY UNPOLITE BEHAVIOUR. BY THE WAY, THIS PASSUS IS ALMOST ENTIRELY (IF NOT 100 PER CENT ENTIRELY) "STOLEN" FROM NORMAN DAVIES' "WHITE EAGLE - RED STAR" BOOK. Polish-my-Polish
Re the lead art, isn't that Petain, not Weygand? At the very least, you might get a better picture.
Why did Weygand prevent General Georges from counter attacking the German salient upon taking over from Gamelin, only to reinstate the "order" (which Gamelin had so poorly phrased as to be advice rather than orders) 48 hours later when it was too late ? Was it just to assert his authority ?-- Streona ( talk) 17:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Citation needed. 2.28.140.201 ( talk) 18:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Was he known as Maxime de Nimal until he was recognised by the elder Weygand? Jackiespeel ( talk) 16:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The article says he was arrested after the war, but then cleared of all charges. Also interesting that he was raised in a Jewish household but then appears to have carried out anti-Semitic acts. All this should be better clarified and explained. Beebop211 ( talk) 19:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The wiki page on Petain says 'Weygand had been at the British Army 1934 manoeuvres at Tidworth Camp in June and was appalled by what he had seen.'
The article says he and his wife "had a younger son Jacques"; did they have an older son too? This is curious phrasing. Biblioteqa ( talk) 17:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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Nb, there are some other biographies in English that seem reasonably recent.
The former is an Indiana University Press publication. The latter is by, it seems, a professor emeritus at Brock University. The interwar period is not at all my speciality but it seems these sources might be useful. The former seems reasonably cited by others.
There seems to be some criticism of the latter as too hagiographic. Whether that is valid is beyond me to say. Clinton, Michael (2012-03-01). The Historian. 74 (1): 173–174.
doi:
10.1111/j.1540-6563.2011.00314_61.x.
ISSN
0018-2370.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link) See also Hage, F E (2011-01-24). French History. 25 (1): 134–135.
doi:
10.1093/fh/crr012.
ISSN
0269-1191.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link) Perhaps a bit less condemnatory, Young, Robert J. (2009). The Journal of Military History. 73 (1): 303–304.
doi:
10.1353/jmh.0.0187.
ISSN
1543-7795.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)
Regardless, I would like to see some expansion on the 20 years or so of life Weygand had after 1945. Ifly6 ( talk) 20:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)