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The result of the move request was: Moved to MatPat, how he is known and not now opposed (OP put speedy on MatPat redirect). Fences& Windows 17:12, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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It was proposed in this section that MatPat be renamed and moved to Matthew Patrick. The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links: current log • target log

Matthew Patrick (internet personality) → Matthew Patrick – No reason to add "(internet personality)" to end of the title, plus, Matthew Patrick redirects to here. 【Zagexma】 18:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose it only redirected here because you moved Matthew Patrick (politician) out of the way to create an article on this gentleman. I have turned Matthew Patrick into a dab page for the time being, but if the (internet personality) is deleted then the politician should go back there. In ictu oculi ( talk) 21:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
• Move to MatPat per COMMONNAME and for natural disambiguation. ☺ ·  Salvidrim! ·  ✉ 15:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

No objection to that In ictu oculi ( talk) 18:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose, or move to MatPat, whichever is better supported by a proper WP:COMMONNAME analysis, which has not been presented. Default to Matthew Patrick, per MOS:TM, etc., absent convincing common-name proof for the nickname, and evidence that he's primarily known by this nick in all contexts to which his notability relates. Regardless, I see no case that this "personality" is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so the politician should probably be moved back to the base name, or have it be a disambiguation page if there are three or more of these guys.  —  SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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I created a draft of this article before it was created. Here is the draft if more info is needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:JerrySa1/sandbox&oldid=717955130 JerrySa1 ( talk) 00:35, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Please update "Early Life" to finish with him residing in Los Angeles, CA with his wife, Stephanie Cordato. Riahbobiah93 ( talk) 21:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

MatPat's channel "the game theorists" also was nominated for the Streamy awards in 2015 in gaming and editing. Sources: https://www.streamys.org/nominees-winners/5th-annual-nominees-winners/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_d59VmUsLQ.

Already in the article —  Adrio ( talk) 17:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

He's rarely referred to at MatPat nowadays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Volvlogia ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Despite that, there are multiple notable people named Matthew Patrick, and a similar request was denied last year. XboxGamer 22408^{talk to me} 20:12, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Shouldn't the MarioPlex part of this article also have a main article? SapphireArte ( talk) 21:09, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Both of these sections are unsourced, and don't seem to be particularly needed in an encyclopedia entry about someone. I could understand the Mario section a bit more, but surely we need proof that it's a recognised number, rather than just something that MatPat made up, and is added in for no reason. Lee Vilenski( talk) 21:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC) Lee Vilenski( talk) 21:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

For example, consider this paragraph from the Game Theorists section:

Smash History (August 26, 2014 – July 23, 2016) was a show by Drake McWhorter that focused on the development and content of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. According to McWhorter, the show was cancelled because "it's not as high quality, the Smash hype is dead, and it's not an educational show."[18] In early November 2016 all episodes were made private and McWhorter himself did not know the reason for this.[19] Because of this, he started to upload the series on his channel Trailer Drake on November 9, 2016.

The section goes into too much detail, doesn't seem very notable, has a direct inline quote, and isn't written from a neutral point of view, and the writing style is more akin to something written by an employee or fan than anything encyclopedic. The entire article has similar problems.

Additionally, there seems to be someone editing Wikipedia articles related to MatPat from a biased perspective. For example, the Notable People section of Buies Creek, North Carolina lists Matthew Patrick's wife as " Stephanie Patrick, Youtube Personality and co-founder of Theorist Inc", which is...neither a neutral nor a natural way of putting it. I've now edited it to " Stephanie Patrick, YouTuber", but I actually removed the line entirely at first, because his wife didn't seem notable enough to merit a line. But a few days later, the line was reinserted by an anonymous editor with the edit message "added Stephanie Patrick famous youtube to notable people".

Given the odd phrasing, I'm pretty certain someone connected to MatPat is editing Wikipedia articles related to him, and that this article and other articles should be rechecked and cleaned up. cnte ^{( talk)} 20:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi cnte, I added the parts about the shows on the channel. I added the quote as an explanation of the situation which shows Patrick rather in a bad light. Please explain to me why this is not a neutrally written paragraph, so I can avoid missteps like this in the future.

As for the addition in the Buies Creek article, according to WikiBlame, Mrs Patrick was first added in April of 2017 by an IP user ("An Internetainer in GTLive on YouTube"). The odd phrasing started with an addition in September of 2017 by an IP user ("cofounder of Theriost Media and cohost of the YouTube channel GTlive"). It was again added by an IP user in March of 2018 ("Youtube Personality and co-founder of Theorist Inc").

One member of the GTLive team, " Ctheorist" actually made edits in the article in February of 2017 as well as in April of 2017. -- Adrio ( talk) 08:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• MatPatHeadshot.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. Community Tech bot ( talk) 21:22, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

On 3 October 2019, user Drmies removed about 20,000 characters of content from this article ( Link). I wrote a big part of the lists they removed, and I'm not completely sure why they removed most of the content. Edit notes include things like "rm a list of trivia sourced to Twitter" and "less trivia, more secondary sources". Why was it removed, and would a citation needed template not have sufficed for most of it? Since I don't want to just re-insert that much text that was deleted without proper discussion, I'll post about it here. What should stay removed, and what should again become part of the article? Regards, Adrio ( talk) 19:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

If the only sources that can be found for the information are things like Twitter and YouTube, then it is probably giving undue weight to the content. That's a separate issue from the fact that Wikipedia requires high standards of sourcing for content on living people. Things like social media and self-published youtube videos normally fail our sourcing standards for most any information, not even accounting for the higher standard required for living people. GMG ^talk 19:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, User:GreenMeansGo. Adrio, I did in fact place a number of "citation needed" tags; I could have removed a lot more. What I did remove was material that wasn't just improperly sourced, but also excessive and really promotional. We don't need trivia in the first place, even if it is somehow verified. What can be restored is material that is not just verified but also proven relevant by secondary sources that are reliable and independent. Thank you. Drmies ( talk) 21:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, that makes sense. It was just that I checked on the article and was confused that so much stuff, especially about the series by other creators published on his channels, had been removed. But since most of those haven't had any coverage by major sources about them, it makes sense to leave them out. Maybe at some point these series rise to the prominence required to be added into the article. However, I consider the information about the channel's viewer demographics and their child's name and date of birth important, but those can probably never be cited with a non-self-published source. Should it still be left out? Thanks for your answer. Adrio ( talk) 16:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Matthew Patrick at VidCon 2016.png

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add Matpat's social media So people can keep up to date on stuff If they Found there way here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.76.120.51 ( talk) 10:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect MarioPlex. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Redirect created Darth Nerd66 ( talk) 17:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Most articles on internet personality’s usually have a Public Image section. This is an article that needs it desperately! A user emailed me about his and I can see why! It seems like this was made by no other than MatpAt himself. Respects 68.97.131.85 ( talk) 19:51, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 September 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mcholes ( article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Xinyue Hu ( talk) 13:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

For those of you that don't know, MatPat's nose has a twitter. ...I totally did not make a Wikipedia account just so I could say this. Info about MatPat's nose that could be added to the wiki: NosePat loves Ohio NosePat is usually on twitter during every stream Anyone scrolling through twitter and finds a tweet by @MatPatNose will have eternal joy for about an hour (don't question the logic of a nose) And NosePat defines themself with no gender. NosePat ( talk) 15:20, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

I had no idea about Nosepat until now, this would be a fun little fact if it gets added. Napplepi ( talk) 13:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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Shunmuniguess (
talk) 05:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)On January 9, 2024, MatPat announced in a video titled "Goodbye Internet" that he would retire from hosting on March 9 of that year, to be replaced as host by a different member of the theorist team for each channel, while still retaining a creative role and making occasional cameos on the channels, along with GTLive until the end of the summer.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rehsarb ( talk) 14:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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Change Mathew to Matthew on the "'Mathew' discussed that his plans for post-retirement were to continue creative projects such as a mystery lo-fi series." line from the retirement section. LunarCatt ( talk) 00:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Great catch, thank you! EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) ^talk 01:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The page says "He is the creator the YouTube series" it should say "He is the creator OF the YouTube series" St3elix809 ( talk) 12:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Done GMG ^talk 13:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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It should be "Subscribers: 18.8 million (main) And not Subscribers: 18.7 million (main) 92.97.13.244 ( talk) 12:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton ( talk) 17:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add an additional thing.

Can you add the 100k button for GTLive? 2601:246:8202:5D00:F43D:A6A1:42DD:3185 ( talk) 13:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What button you're talking about? NotAGenious ( talk) 15:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Change "an american youtuber" to "an american former youtuber" 67.198.42.153 ( talk) 05:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@ 67.198.42.153 they will change it on 9th of march ok? DoraTheMora ( talk) 21:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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In the Channels table you wrote that Lee Collins is the one in charge of Film Theory since 2024, however Lee himself asked to change that to Forrest Lee, because that's the name he goes by professionally, you can actually confirm this if you're quick enough in Lee's Instagram stories 2806:2F0:9181:AA97:AE4E:65FF:FE8B:F240 ( talk) 03:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Note that instagram and other user-generated sources are not considered reliable on wikipedia. Jamedeus ( talk) 03:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Lee professionally goes by Forrest Lee and not Lee Collins, which he has personally aged to be changed in an Instagram story. His name comes up in the "YouTube Channels" grid as one of the hosts of Film Theory. 2A02:C7C:BCD8:B300:52C:47C7:4F08:4D15 ( talk) 08:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton ( talk) 14:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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As of today, MatPat has retired, so the section about him stating the he is leaving should say he left, but will still make appearances. TheAxolotlLord ( talk) 14:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime ( open channel) 14:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Updates for the notes section. Delete: Subscribers, broken down by channel: 18.4 million (The Game Theorists) 12.3 million (The Film Theorists) 4.83 million (The Food Theorists) 2.09 million (The Style Theorists) 3.3 million (GTLive)

Replace: 19.1 million (The Game Theorists) 12.9 million (The Film Theorists) 5.3 million (The Food Theorists) 2.5 million (The Style Theorists) 3.5 million (GTLive)

Delete: Views, broken down by channel: 3.82 billion (The Game Theorists) 2.59 billion (The Film Theorists) 675 million (The Food Theorists) 49.04 million (The Style Theorists) 721 million (GTLive)

Replace: 4.10 billion (The Game Theorists) 2.98 billion (The Film Theorists) 249 million (The Food Theorists) 249 million (The Style Theorists) 827 million (GTLive) Thunder stuffing ( talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Writehydra - talk page 03:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)