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There is some dispute over the use of the name IRA or PIRA. The Provisional IRA are no more the PIRA and the Official IRA are the OIRA. You either refer to them as the Provisional IRA or the IRA. This has been confirmed to me by a member of Sinn Féin. I note that PIRA is used in some cases to distinguish the group but in this case it is clear that the Provisional IRA is the group refered to and there is no need for the incorrect - PIRA. Some might feel this is a pedanticism of the organisation itself and is not relevant - fair enough! Also, the use of the word "volunteers" was removed. Elsewhere on Wikipedia the term is used. There are inconsistencies. Again, people might feel it is a pedanticism of the group and is POV but calling IRA members "volunteers" is not incorrent. That is what they call themselves & that is what they are. Why shouldn't the term be used? I also do not agree with the piece abve ("Nice example of why..."). What do government papers say about McGuinness? Probably not much we don't already know about it. There is plenty of stuff on McGuinness out there. He's lived much of his life through politics and consequently has been in the public eye. Also, there are 1 or 2 very good histories of the IRA available. McGuinness's role in the organisation is well documented. 02:39, 2 October 2005
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There isn't any dispute McGuinness was in the IRA at the time. But you can't use the existence of a film made several weeks after Bloody Sunday (1972) to try and cast doubt on the findings of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry, especially one that involves ignoring the existing narrative. Martin McGuinness's own testimony to the Bloody Sunday inquiry has him admitting IRA involvement and the IRA's bombing campaign against businesses in Derry, so this "new" video from 1972, filmed after Bloody Sunday, doesn't change anything. Kathleen's bike ( talk) 22:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/hmso/widgery.htm#appendixa
13 recorded as dead and not 14.
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There is some dispute over the use of the name IRA or PIRA. The Provisional IRA are no more the PIRA and the Official IRA are the OIRA. You either refer to them as the Provisional IRA or the IRA. This has been confirmed to me by a member of Sinn Féin. I note that PIRA is used in some cases to distinguish the group but in this case it is clear that the Provisional IRA is the group refered to and there is no need for the incorrect - PIRA. Some might feel this is a pedanticism of the organisation itself and is not relevant - fair enough! Also, the use of the word "volunteers" was removed. Elsewhere on Wikipedia the term is used. There are inconsistencies. Again, people might feel it is a pedanticism of the group and is POV but calling IRA members "volunteers" is not incorrent. That is what they call themselves & that is what they are. Why shouldn't the term be used? I also do not agree with the piece abve ("Nice example of why..."). What do government papers say about McGuinness? Probably not much we don't already know about it. There is plenty of stuff on McGuinness out there. He's lived much of his life through politics and consequently has been in the public eye. Also, there are 1 or 2 very good histories of the IRA available. McGuinness's role in the organisation is well documented. 02:39, 2 October 2005
Recently several existing sentences were changed;
This was changed to;
The second sentence originially read;
This was changed to;
There isn't any dispute McGuinness was in the IRA at the time. But you can't use the existence of a film made several weeks after Bloody Sunday (1972) to try and cast doubt on the findings of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry, especially one that involves ignoring the existing narrative. Martin McGuinness's own testimony to the Bloody Sunday inquiry has him admitting IRA involvement and the IRA's bombing campaign against businesses in Derry, so this "new" video from 1972, filmed after Bloody Sunday, doesn't change anything. Kathleen's bike ( talk) 22:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/hmso/widgery.htm#appendixa
13 recorded as dead and not 14.
Jaymailsays (
talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)