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As much of a supporter of Barnes I am, I do believe it is worth noting in this article that he was delinquent on property taxes for a while. He did tweet that the "check is in the mail" on June 17th, 2019, but he was delinquent on the taxes since he did not pay it by January 31st of the aforementioned year. [1] The issue people have had with it is not only that is he a government official, but he appeared to shrug it off in the same tweet. [2] Anyways, I do not know where this would be most appropriate. Hopefully a far better tenured Wikipedia editor will make this change. Autumnsec ( talk) 19:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
So would a single sentence like "Barnes faced criticism during his tenure for his overdue property tax bills, and in abruptly left an interview when asked about the issue" [3] appropriately address the weight issues with the "limited scope" that @Andrevan mentioned? BBQboffin ( talk) 17:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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Where did this data go? Was here a couple days ago until he won the primary election on 8/9/22. This man outright lied about graduating from college for years until he was questioned in 2019. Then suddenly he finished his degree and acted like it was not a big deal. I would lose my job if it was discovered that I lied about having a degree not to mention losing my CPA license. Lying about verifiable facts is a prevalent issue with this man. 184.58.152.78 ( talk) 00:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The personal life section appears to give undue weight to a minor tax issue rather than discussing his personal life in a neutral voice. While the content could be listed in a Controversies section, I don't think the content is appropriate at all. Similar content regarding traffic tickets was deleted earlier for undue weight. I believe the entire section should be deleted. It looks like that was done a couple times by someone else, then reverted without explanation. Perhaps it should be discussed? Glinden ( talk) 22:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
"he didn’t file a state or federal income tax return that year...was on the state’s Medicaid program BadgerCare Plus for his health insurance that year, but did not receive food stamps or unemployment compensation". The NYT article, states,
Mr. Barnes has been the target of criticism as well. He has been cited for paying his property taxes late. The US News article is also reporting on a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article None of this establishes why this is significant biographical information on the man. He paid a few bills late. Andre 🚐 16:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes has paid his delinquent property tax bill. Barnes owed the city of Milwaukee about $2,200 for his 2018 property tax bill. The money was due at the end of January. He received a delinquent bill in February and again at the beginning of June. According to the treasurer’s office, the city received the payment in full on Wednesday, June 26.He paid the bill late. It's pretty much the end of the story, and shouldn't be included. Andre 🚐 16:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
The question of whether to include endorsements seems to keep coming up. I think we should discuss more in its own section here. So let's do that.
On the one hand, endorsements are helpful and useful to readers and supported by WP:CAE. On the other hand, there's a good point that only some candidate pages include them, endorsements often are shown only on the election page and not a candidate's page, and WP:CAE might be considered obsolete because the page is marked inactive.
I lean toward including the endorsements because they are useful information for readers. I personally find endorsements almost always helpful when looking at candidate pages and often am disappointed when I can't find them easily. But I don't feel that strongly about it. What I don't want is to keep adding them and removing them here, which I think is unlikely to go well for anyone, so let's try to find a way to reach consensus? Thoughts on this from others? Glinden ( talk) 18:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Wozal requested this edit be brought to the talk page. Disparaging the writer as a "columnist" is an odd tactic as the tweet is the meat of the text, and those are Barnes' own words on the subject. Yes, the tweet is from 2013, so we're pretty close to clearing the WP:10YEARTEST as the issue of guns and gun violence is just as relevant (if not more so) today than when the statement was made. If you look at (Barnes' opponent) Johnson's page there is a well-documented section on his political positions while for Barnes we have very little. I would encourage editors here to try to add and expand this section with well-sourced material, or try to improve (WP:NPOV) the prose of what's there, rather than just deleting whole paragraphs along with the sources. BBQboffin ( talk) 05:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The $608,528 cost and 13-1/2 hours/day of the security protection is significant and sourced. While Barnes is not the final decision-maker on the security, he requested it and was aware (as was anyone else who read the newspaper) in the first two months of his term that he was costing the state more in those tow months than his predecessor did in a full year. Doing the math, that's 6x as much. By year 3, the security hours were 10x what they were in the previous administration. Did "race and the alt-right have anything to do with it"? [reliable sources needed]. The only mention of "race" I'm seeing in the sources is that when Barnes ran the Chicago Marathon, cops from Wisconsin had to provide 54 hours of security to protect him. [2] BBQboffin ( talk) 05:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to add the below information to the "Political Positions" section of Mandela Barnes page.
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Barnes proposes a middle-class tax cut.1 Barnes has campaigned on lowering costs and fighting inflation by cracking down on oil and gas companies that use inflation as a "smokescreen" to raise prices.2. Long-term, he argues that the U.S. should focus on bringing manufacturing back to Wisconsin to shore up our supply chains and reduce reliance on overseas production.3 He also argues for reducing dependence on foreign oil by building out and investing in alternative energy sources. Barnes has said the switch to alternative forms of energy is already happening abroad, and it's time that Wisconsin becomes a leader in manufacturing goods like solar panels and wind turbines.
Barnes frequently talks about abortion on the campaign trail -- including his mother's abortion-- and has pledged to get rid of the filibuster to codify Roe v. Wade.4
Barnes has also made protecting social security and Medicare a top priority of his Senate campaign. 5.
Barnes released a plan that pledges to fight for a farm bill that protects small family farms and fights back against corporate consolidation of agriculture. He backed defining "product of USA" standards to Prevent corporations that slaughter and process their meat abroad then package it in the U.S. from being able to mislead consumers." 7.
On crime, Barnes has advocated for a holistic approach that supported law enforcement by investing in community resources and violence prevention programs to stop crime before it happens.7. In 2021, The Evers-Barnes Administration announced millions in grants to fund violence prevention efforts and support sheriff's offices.8 As a state legislator, he fought for more funding to address gun violence in Milwaukee and called for a special session of the state assembly to address it. 9
In the state assembly, Barnes introduced legislation to end cash bail and instead keep offenders in detention based on the threat they posed to society, which he stated would prevent violent criminals from being able to "buy their way out of jail."10
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Citations and sources: 1. https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/mandela-barnes-on-inflation-abortion-and-running-for-senate/ 2. https://www.c-span.org/video/?523242-1/wisconsin-us-senate-debate&live 3. https://www.wispolitics.com/2022/barnes-campaign-new-ad-mandela-barnes-fights-for-middle-class-tax-cuts-creation-of-wisconsin-jobs; https://www.wispolitics.com/2022/barnes-campaign-releases-make-it-here-plan-to-boost-manufacturing-and-communities-in-wisconsin 4. https://fox11online.com/news/election/barnes-launches-tour-attacking-sen-johnsons-stance-on-abortion 5. https://www.wkow.com/news/mandela-barnes-talks-social-security-medicare-at-senior-event/article_b548b93c-3e02-11ed-ad85-5fc980495ad4.html 6. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/06/02/mandela-barnes-vows-empower-small-and-mid-sized-family-farms/7476063001/ 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsAMsJE2Ag4&t=10s 8. https://www.news8000.com/gov-evers-spending-45-million-on-violence-prevention; https://www.wpr.org/evers-plan-spends-56m-federal-funding-police-court-backlog 9. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Barnes-Letter-to-JFC-Gun-Violence.pdf; https://archive.jsonline.com/news/opinion/move-up-milwaukees-curfew-to-9-pm-to-keep-kids-safe-b99287643z1-263113351.html/ 10. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/sep/22/mandela-barnes/barnes-plan-end-cash-bail-wouldnt-necessarily-have/ Electrostat13 ( talk) 22:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
J. Mandela Barnes age 18 to 27 (2013) What did he do other than go to college? 2600:6C44:E7F:F15D:594:8D40:F1D0:1772 ( talk) 00:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
CNN KFile. Marquardtika ( talk) 17:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Sources say his "legal name" is J. Mandela Barnes and so we use that in the lede, but in the info box we have his "Birth name" as being "Jesse Mandela Barnes" which today was changed by @ Ser! to "J. Mandela Barnes". We don't have a birth certificate for him. Does it really say "J." same as how Harry S. Truman had just the "S." and the relatives with names starting with S all considered it to be in their honor? As we don't have a source providing a definitive answer my preference would be to blank the "Birth name" field in the infobox until we have one. BBQboffin ( talk) 07:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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As much of a supporter of Barnes I am, I do believe it is worth noting in this article that he was delinquent on property taxes for a while. He did tweet that the "check is in the mail" on June 17th, 2019, but he was delinquent on the taxes since he did not pay it by January 31st of the aforementioned year. [1] The issue people have had with it is not only that is he a government official, but he appeared to shrug it off in the same tweet. [2] Anyways, I do not know where this would be most appropriate. Hopefully a far better tenured Wikipedia editor will make this change. Autumnsec ( talk) 19:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
So would a single sentence like "Barnes faced criticism during his tenure for his overdue property tax bills, and in abruptly left an interview when asked about the issue" [3] appropriately address the weight issues with the "limited scope" that @Andrevan mentioned? BBQboffin ( talk) 17:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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Where did this data go? Was here a couple days ago until he won the primary election on 8/9/22. This man outright lied about graduating from college for years until he was questioned in 2019. Then suddenly he finished his degree and acted like it was not a big deal. I would lose my job if it was discovered that I lied about having a degree not to mention losing my CPA license. Lying about verifiable facts is a prevalent issue with this man. 184.58.152.78 ( talk) 00:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The personal life section appears to give undue weight to a minor tax issue rather than discussing his personal life in a neutral voice. While the content could be listed in a Controversies section, I don't think the content is appropriate at all. Similar content regarding traffic tickets was deleted earlier for undue weight. I believe the entire section should be deleted. It looks like that was done a couple times by someone else, then reverted without explanation. Perhaps it should be discussed? Glinden ( talk) 22:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
"he didn’t file a state or federal income tax return that year...was on the state’s Medicaid program BadgerCare Plus for his health insurance that year, but did not receive food stamps or unemployment compensation". The NYT article, states,
Mr. Barnes has been the target of criticism as well. He has been cited for paying his property taxes late. The US News article is also reporting on a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article None of this establishes why this is significant biographical information on the man. He paid a few bills late. Andre 🚐 16:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes has paid his delinquent property tax bill. Barnes owed the city of Milwaukee about $2,200 for his 2018 property tax bill. The money was due at the end of January. He received a delinquent bill in February and again at the beginning of June. According to the treasurer’s office, the city received the payment in full on Wednesday, June 26.He paid the bill late. It's pretty much the end of the story, and shouldn't be included. Andre 🚐 16:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
The question of whether to include endorsements seems to keep coming up. I think we should discuss more in its own section here. So let's do that.
On the one hand, endorsements are helpful and useful to readers and supported by WP:CAE. On the other hand, there's a good point that only some candidate pages include them, endorsements often are shown only on the election page and not a candidate's page, and WP:CAE might be considered obsolete because the page is marked inactive.
I lean toward including the endorsements because they are useful information for readers. I personally find endorsements almost always helpful when looking at candidate pages and often am disappointed when I can't find them easily. But I don't feel that strongly about it. What I don't want is to keep adding them and removing them here, which I think is unlikely to go well for anyone, so let's try to find a way to reach consensus? Thoughts on this from others? Glinden ( talk) 18:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Wozal requested this edit be brought to the talk page. Disparaging the writer as a "columnist" is an odd tactic as the tweet is the meat of the text, and those are Barnes' own words on the subject. Yes, the tweet is from 2013, so we're pretty close to clearing the WP:10YEARTEST as the issue of guns and gun violence is just as relevant (if not more so) today than when the statement was made. If you look at (Barnes' opponent) Johnson's page there is a well-documented section on his political positions while for Barnes we have very little. I would encourage editors here to try to add and expand this section with well-sourced material, or try to improve (WP:NPOV) the prose of what's there, rather than just deleting whole paragraphs along with the sources. BBQboffin ( talk) 05:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The $608,528 cost and 13-1/2 hours/day of the security protection is significant and sourced. While Barnes is not the final decision-maker on the security, he requested it and was aware (as was anyone else who read the newspaper) in the first two months of his term that he was costing the state more in those tow months than his predecessor did in a full year. Doing the math, that's 6x as much. By year 3, the security hours were 10x what they were in the previous administration. Did "race and the alt-right have anything to do with it"? [reliable sources needed]. The only mention of "race" I'm seeing in the sources is that when Barnes ran the Chicago Marathon, cops from Wisconsin had to provide 54 hours of security to protect him. [2] BBQboffin ( talk) 05:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to add the below information to the "Political Positions" section of Mandela Barnes page.
start --
Barnes proposes a middle-class tax cut.1 Barnes has campaigned on lowering costs and fighting inflation by cracking down on oil and gas companies that use inflation as a "smokescreen" to raise prices.2. Long-term, he argues that the U.S. should focus on bringing manufacturing back to Wisconsin to shore up our supply chains and reduce reliance on overseas production.3 He also argues for reducing dependence on foreign oil by building out and investing in alternative energy sources. Barnes has said the switch to alternative forms of energy is already happening abroad, and it's time that Wisconsin becomes a leader in manufacturing goods like solar panels and wind turbines.
Barnes frequently talks about abortion on the campaign trail -- including his mother's abortion-- and has pledged to get rid of the filibuster to codify Roe v. Wade.4
Barnes has also made protecting social security and Medicare a top priority of his Senate campaign. 5.
Barnes released a plan that pledges to fight for a farm bill that protects small family farms and fights back against corporate consolidation of agriculture. He backed defining "product of USA" standards to Prevent corporations that slaughter and process their meat abroad then package it in the U.S. from being able to mislead consumers." 7.
On crime, Barnes has advocated for a holistic approach that supported law enforcement by investing in community resources and violence prevention programs to stop crime before it happens.7. In 2021, The Evers-Barnes Administration announced millions in grants to fund violence prevention efforts and support sheriff's offices.8 As a state legislator, he fought for more funding to address gun violence in Milwaukee and called for a special session of the state assembly to address it. 9
In the state assembly, Barnes introduced legislation to end cash bail and instead keep offenders in detention based on the threat they posed to society, which he stated would prevent violent criminals from being able to "buy their way out of jail."10
-- end
Citations and sources: 1. https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/mandela-barnes-on-inflation-abortion-and-running-for-senate/ 2. https://www.c-span.org/video/?523242-1/wisconsin-us-senate-debate&live 3. https://www.wispolitics.com/2022/barnes-campaign-new-ad-mandela-barnes-fights-for-middle-class-tax-cuts-creation-of-wisconsin-jobs; https://www.wispolitics.com/2022/barnes-campaign-releases-make-it-here-plan-to-boost-manufacturing-and-communities-in-wisconsin 4. https://fox11online.com/news/election/barnes-launches-tour-attacking-sen-johnsons-stance-on-abortion 5. https://www.wkow.com/news/mandela-barnes-talks-social-security-medicare-at-senior-event/article_b548b93c-3e02-11ed-ad85-5fc980495ad4.html 6. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/06/02/mandela-barnes-vows-empower-small-and-mid-sized-family-farms/7476063001/ 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsAMsJE2Ag4&t=10s 8. https://www.news8000.com/gov-evers-spending-45-million-on-violence-prevention; https://www.wpr.org/evers-plan-spends-56m-federal-funding-police-court-backlog 9. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Barnes-Letter-to-JFC-Gun-Violence.pdf; https://archive.jsonline.com/news/opinion/move-up-milwaukees-curfew-to-9-pm-to-keep-kids-safe-b99287643z1-263113351.html/ 10. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/sep/22/mandela-barnes/barnes-plan-end-cash-bail-wouldnt-necessarily-have/ Electrostat13 ( talk) 22:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
J. Mandela Barnes age 18 to 27 (2013) What did he do other than go to college? 2600:6C44:E7F:F15D:594:8D40:F1D0:1772 ( talk) 00:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
CNN KFile. Marquardtika ( talk) 17:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Sources say his "legal name" is J. Mandela Barnes and so we use that in the lede, but in the info box we have his "Birth name" as being "Jesse Mandela Barnes" which today was changed by @ Ser! to "J. Mandela Barnes". We don't have a birth certificate for him. Does it really say "J." same as how Harry S. Truman had just the "S." and the relatives with names starting with S all considered it to be in their honor? As we don't have a source providing a definitive answer my preference would be to blank the "Birth name" field in the infobox until we have one. BBQboffin ( talk) 07:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)