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JB i was not part of the protest and so have stumbled upon this article, my question relates to the mystical Rebecca that arrives unannounced near the end of the article. who is this and are they of any significance whatsoever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.95.166 ( talk) 13:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm quite POV on this topic as I was a protester against the road myself; however I've tried my best to keep this out of the article. That said, I don't think I've been completely successful, so someone else's — perhaps more objective — standpoint would be useful.
Also what I've written is largely from memory; you will notice that there is a corresponding lack of detail and some of the facts are probably in the wrong order. Hell, some of them may even be wrong — I hope it's not too many.
I hope there's someone else out there who remembers the events in Leytonstone in the early 1990s and can help to give them the article they deserve! -- Lancevortex 01:10, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Most of the houses on the route were not compulsorily purchased. Most of the owners of the properties came to agreements with the DOT for them to buy instead. The process of doing a CPO is long and expensive, so it was usually in both the owners and the DOT's interest to buy the houses (at a slightly increased price ) instead of going through the whole CPO process. In fact, I think (but am not sure) that the only house that was actually CPO'd was the house that Richard Leighton owned in Colville road which he lived in with his mother(?). He was a very active member of the 'official' No M11 residents group.
Random missing points
See "Image:Old0015.JPG" for a chestnut tree photo.
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seriously, this is superb. i've recently discovered a load of cuttings etc from the period so i'll try and add citations in the near future. nice one 23:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Would be good to merge these stubby articles in to the main. Any thoughts? MRSC • Talk 16:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I did some edits on this article a while back when i was new to wikipedia and haven't ben entirely happy with it for a while. Merge these, and at some point in the future I will go through my collection of books and cuttings and see if i can add more detail, and some decent references as well - i would have done back then but was homeless and all my stuff was in storage :(
Having read this article I have concerns over the tone of the whole article. It seems to be somewhat too essay like and reads like a lament. It is very comprehensive, however, and one the better of the anti road protest articles. None of this is a criticism of the authors. I have little source material on this so am reluctant to get into a full scale rewrite. Does anyone have some good sources. Regan123 22:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The picture of 'Munstonia'/the last house is labeled 'The eviction of "Munstonia", the last squatted house on Claremont Road in London, England, during the M11 Link Road protests'. This house wasn't on Claremont Road at all. I think it was Fillebrook Road. lost in space 10:33 20 August 2012 (UTC) Ooops - this is mentioned in the article.... lost in space 10:36 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm going through this article and clearing it up. My gut feeling is the article is still violating WP:NPOV as reported earlier, but I think it's better than it used to be. The protest was notably picked up by local MPs and by news outlets, so it should be possible to reliably source all sides of the argument. I've made a start on the background and will be keeping a level head on this. If I stop keeping a cool head on it, shout! -- Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
A number of statements are made in the consequences section which are vague and need citations:
Also:
-- DavidCane ( talk) 03:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
This article is looking absolutely great. However, the large number of references has caused it to become a bit unwieldy to edit. So, I've taken the time to convert it to using shortened footnotes. That said, it's impolite to do that to a live article without asking other contributors, so you can see my version here in my user space to have an explore of what I've done. If you're (Ritchie, David) okay with the new version, I can apply it to the article. — Scott • talk 12:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to work this into the article at present, but here's an article in New Civil Engineer magazine from 1998 about the building of the road and tunnels. — Scott • talk 14:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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JB i was not part of the protest and so have stumbled upon this article, my question relates to the mystical Rebecca that arrives unannounced near the end of the article. who is this and are they of any significance whatsoever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.95.166 ( talk) 13:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm quite POV on this topic as I was a protester against the road myself; however I've tried my best to keep this out of the article. That said, I don't think I've been completely successful, so someone else's — perhaps more objective — standpoint would be useful.
Also what I've written is largely from memory; you will notice that there is a corresponding lack of detail and some of the facts are probably in the wrong order. Hell, some of them may even be wrong — I hope it's not too many.
I hope there's someone else out there who remembers the events in Leytonstone in the early 1990s and can help to give them the article they deserve! -- Lancevortex 01:10, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Most of the houses on the route were not compulsorily purchased. Most of the owners of the properties came to agreements with the DOT for them to buy instead. The process of doing a CPO is long and expensive, so it was usually in both the owners and the DOT's interest to buy the houses (at a slightly increased price ) instead of going through the whole CPO process. In fact, I think (but am not sure) that the only house that was actually CPO'd was the house that Richard Leighton owned in Colville road which he lived in with his mother(?). He was a very active member of the 'official' No M11 residents group.
Random missing points
See "Image:Old0015.JPG" for a chestnut tree photo.
lovely new edit, well done whoever it was—The preceding
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87.194.86.204 (
talk •
contribs).
seriously, this is superb. i've recently discovered a load of cuttings etc from the period so i'll try and add citations in the near future. nice one 23:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Would be good to merge these stubby articles in to the main. Any thoughts? MRSC • Talk 16:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I did some edits on this article a while back when i was new to wikipedia and haven't ben entirely happy with it for a while. Merge these, and at some point in the future I will go through my collection of books and cuttings and see if i can add more detail, and some decent references as well - i would have done back then but was homeless and all my stuff was in storage :(
Having read this article I have concerns over the tone of the whole article. It seems to be somewhat too essay like and reads like a lament. It is very comprehensive, however, and one the better of the anti road protest articles. None of this is a criticism of the authors. I have little source material on this so am reluctant to get into a full scale rewrite. Does anyone have some good sources. Regan123 22:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The picture of 'Munstonia'/the last house is labeled 'The eviction of "Munstonia", the last squatted house on Claremont Road in London, England, during the M11 Link Road protests'. This house wasn't on Claremont Road at all. I think it was Fillebrook Road. lost in space 10:33 20 August 2012 (UTC) Ooops - this is mentioned in the article.... lost in space 10:36 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm going through this article and clearing it up. My gut feeling is the article is still violating WP:NPOV as reported earlier, but I think it's better than it used to be. The protest was notably picked up by local MPs and by news outlets, so it should be possible to reliably source all sides of the argument. I've made a start on the background and will be keeping a level head on this. If I stop keeping a cool head on it, shout! -- Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
A number of statements are made in the consequences section which are vague and need citations:
Also:
-- DavidCane ( talk) 03:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
This article is looking absolutely great. However, the large number of references has caused it to become a bit unwieldy to edit. So, I've taken the time to convert it to using shortened footnotes. That said, it's impolite to do that to a live article without asking other contributors, so you can see my version here in my user space to have an explore of what I've done. If you're (Ritchie, David) okay with the new version, I can apply it to the article. — Scott • talk 12:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to work this into the article at present, but here's an article in New Civil Engineer magazine from 1998 about the building of the road and tunnels. — Scott • talk 14:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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