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varieties of English. According to the
relevant style guide, this should not be changed without
broad consensus.
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Talking about some of the suburbs would be nice. Many interesting, populous suburbs: Shively, Pleasure Ridge Park, Valley Station, Fairdale, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, St. Matthews, Prospect, Anchorage, etc.
Talk about the city's urban neighborhoods and their contribution to the city's development and current culture. (can also be discussed in
Louisville neighborhoods)
Would like to read about the rapid growth in East Louisville/Oldham County.
The jobs that are pouring into Bullitt County because of the expansion of the airport and Worldport.
Cover the rapidly growing health care industry more extensively.
Cover the city's contribution to the state's economy, and how much the city gets back from its state revenue contributions.
List Louisville's firsts and special achievements in one spot, perhaps a sub-article. One resource for this:
[1]
Cover public libraries and other educational aspects beyond schools in the Education section
Expand "Crime and public safety" section
Cover bikeways and other cycling infrastructure in the Transportation section. The current Bikeways content in
Transportation in Louisville, Kentucky also should be rewritten as it currently reads like a brochure. Once that is shaped up, some of its content could go here.
Cover rankings of the city in various lists.
Discuss Louisville Public Media in the Media section. Aspects of public radio in Louisville may be especially notable.
Bring back discussion of pronunciation via an "Etymology and pronunciations" section, fully referenced, of course. Link to this section from the lead rather than showing pronunciations there, which looks rather clunky.
Include more discussion on significant community organizations.
Cover a bit of the dispute over the city's population rank, based on the "balance" rather than the consolidated total.
Editors willing to help others on this article (sources, questions, etc.)
Should 'Louisville' be used alone in titles for entities or disambiguated to be associated with Louisville, Kentucky? For example
Central Station (Louisville), instead of "Central Station (Louisville, Kentucky)"?
Omnis Scientia (
talk) 08:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for bringing up this useful topic. I figured it would be helpful for the discussion to do an inventory of what we're dealing with. Below is the number of instances of related strings I've found in article titles, excluding redirects, proper names and
NRHP designations, mostly at the trailing end of the titles:
"(Louisville)" – 17
"(Louisville, Kentucky)" – 48
", Louisville" – 72 (all of them neighborhoods in Louisville, Kentucky)
While
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and
WP:USPLACE, and a community decision to go by the AP style book for article titles for a set of major US cities, clearly pertain (as of January 2024[update]) to the top-level article (this one), it becomes murkier at
WP:PRECISION,
WP:TITLEDAB and
WP:NATURAL, where these are seemingly weighed with PRIMARYTOPIC/USPLACE in mind. Are we to insist on disambiguating everything associated with Louisville with "Louisville, Kentucky" or is there wiggle room for particular cases, given that ordinarily, given its
sheer prominence compared to other places called 'Louisville' (plus
Louisville has linked here for over 19 years), "Louisville, Kentucky" would be considered the primary topic for 'Louisville' and thus many if not most encyclopedic subjects related to Louisville mean "Louisville, Kentucky"? For instance, if a Louisville (KY) neighborhood only applied to the Louisville in Kentucky, is there a necessity to disambiguate further with ", Kentucky"? Where do we draw lines?
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 20:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Above I explored what I think are the parameters of the discussion. Now, here's my preference for what I think we should do, noting that my mind can be changed. Since we're not talking about the top-level article, we should put more weight on the predominant use of 'Louisville' and use it alone to disambiguate or to situate a place such as a neighborhood, unless further disambiguation with ", Kentucky" is necessary, like if you had a same-named neighborhood in both Louisville, Kentucky and Louisville, Colorado.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 22:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply: This may have been dealt with, and I didn't look, but I Agree, and don't think we ever need to over-disambiguate. The title, Louisville, Kentucky, clearly identifies the subject of the article as well as in the lead, "...is the most populous city in the
Commonwealth of Kentucky.
A good thing is that
silence on the discussion will likely mean there will not be any objections so be bold and
"just do it" might be in order. --
Otr500 (
talk) 05:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Article issues
I think some issues need addressing.
The article has enjoyed 2,256 editors, 370 watchers, and 55,429 pageviews in 30 days. Bear with me.
The second to last paragraph (
Killing of Breonna Taylor in 2020) in the "20th and 21st centuries" subsections offers a little negativity in mentioning a chief was fired and four officers received federal charges. It adds but no significant systemic changes were made.
There has been a lot of good news, including the "Public safety" subsection. Louisville has been recognized as a "friendship city" in the "Sister cities" section. In the "Utilities" subsection: "In June 2008, the Louisville Water Company received the "Best of the Best" award from the American Water Works Association, citing it as the best-tasting drinking water in the country." It received the "43rd "most walkable" score. There is a fleet of zero-emissions buses even though there is no nuclear power and
70% of the energy comes from coal.
Anyway there appears to be some issues in Louisville maybe someone can look at, that might warrant mention. --
Otr500 (
talk) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the late reply. You have valid concerns that a city article such as this doesn't have full, balanced coverage of the above and other subjects. The main ways to improve it, though, are making incremental, cited changes, or starting a "add x" or "change x to y" discussion. Specific concerns of coverage lacking can also be written up in the to do list above. I personally would like to improve the article (more than I already have) but there's too much overall work to do, inside and out of the Wikipedia. The best way to guarantee changes are made is
being bold and doing it yourself.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
GruntwerkStefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 23:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply: Thank you for your reply. I am aware of boldly editing to fix issues. My personal "Wikipedia to-do-list" is currently around a hundred pages and have added this one. You and I are two of 2,256 editors. I leave talk page comments 1)- to minimize reverts by article protectors, and 2)- so that when I, as well as any others, can see issues noted and have a starting point. Again, thank you for your reply, --
Otr500 (
talk) 18:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
StefenTower: You added this photo of
George Rogers Clark back to the article. While Clark is significant and relevant to Louisville's history, his portrait is decorative and not "an important illustrative aid to understanding", per
MOS:IMAGES. Likewise, photos of
Muhammad Ali and
Louis XVI would also be decorative. However, there are photos in this article of the
George Rogers Clark Memorial Bridge, the
Muhammad Ali Center, and multiple places named after the King. Please explain why a portrait hanging in the Smithsonian Institution needs inclusion in this city article. Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 18:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Because he's the founder of the city. Showing readers what the founder of the city looks like is informative. The other people you mention aren't founders of the city. This is also a longstanding inclusion in the article - why is there an issue with its inclusion all of a sudden, after decades?
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 18:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Further, how he's dressed adds more information, that he's an
American Revolutionary War figure and founded the city during that time. For especially young readers who are introduced to the subject of the city, it is natural to show the person who founded it and the context of that moment.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
His portrait is decorative. There are images of places in the city named after him, but readers don't need to see what the founder looked like. Look at
Cleveland, a featured article, where there is a photo of a statue of
Moses Cleaveland in the city.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 18:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Further, the city does have a statue of GRC, but we can't include it apparently due to US copyright nonsense.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 19:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you or anyone would like to identify an alternative image that shows the city's founder in a more descriptive, less artsy manner, that would be fine by me, as including a visual depiction of the city's founder seems obvious and reasonable.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 19:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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This article is written in
American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other
varieties of English. According to the
relevant style guide, this should not be changed without
broad consensus.
Louisville, Kentucky is a
former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check
the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the
United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
cities,
towns and various other
settlements on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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Talking about some of the suburbs would be nice. Many interesting, populous suburbs: Shively, Pleasure Ridge Park, Valley Station, Fairdale, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, St. Matthews, Prospect, Anchorage, etc.
Talk about the city's urban neighborhoods and their contribution to the city's development and current culture. (can also be discussed in
Louisville neighborhoods)
Would like to read about the rapid growth in East Louisville/Oldham County.
The jobs that are pouring into Bullitt County because of the expansion of the airport and Worldport.
Cover the rapidly growing health care industry more extensively.
Cover the city's contribution to the state's economy, and how much the city gets back from its state revenue contributions.
List Louisville's firsts and special achievements in one spot, perhaps a sub-article. One resource for this:
[1]
Cover public libraries and other educational aspects beyond schools in the Education section
Expand "Crime and public safety" section
Cover bikeways and other cycling infrastructure in the Transportation section. The current Bikeways content in
Transportation in Louisville, Kentucky also should be rewritten as it currently reads like a brochure. Once that is shaped up, some of its content could go here.
Cover rankings of the city in various lists.
Discuss Louisville Public Media in the Media section. Aspects of public radio in Louisville may be especially notable.
Bring back discussion of pronunciation via an "Etymology and pronunciations" section, fully referenced, of course. Link to this section from the lead rather than showing pronunciations there, which looks rather clunky.
Include more discussion on significant community organizations.
Cover a bit of the dispute over the city's population rank, based on the "balance" rather than the consolidated total.
Editors willing to help others on this article (sources, questions, etc.)
Should 'Louisville' be used alone in titles for entities or disambiguated to be associated with Louisville, Kentucky? For example
Central Station (Louisville), instead of "Central Station (Louisville, Kentucky)"?
Omnis Scientia (
talk) 08:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for bringing up this useful topic. I figured it would be helpful for the discussion to do an inventory of what we're dealing with. Below is the number of instances of related strings I've found in article titles, excluding redirects, proper names and
NRHP designations, mostly at the trailing end of the titles:
"(Louisville)" – 17
"(Louisville, Kentucky)" – 48
", Louisville" – 72 (all of them neighborhoods in Louisville, Kentucky)
While
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and
WP:USPLACE, and a community decision to go by the AP style book for article titles for a set of major US cities, clearly pertain (as of January 2024[update]) to the top-level article (this one), it becomes murkier at
WP:PRECISION,
WP:TITLEDAB and
WP:NATURAL, where these are seemingly weighed with PRIMARYTOPIC/USPLACE in mind. Are we to insist on disambiguating everything associated with Louisville with "Louisville, Kentucky" or is there wiggle room for particular cases, given that ordinarily, given its
sheer prominence compared to other places called 'Louisville' (plus
Louisville has linked here for over 19 years), "Louisville, Kentucky" would be considered the primary topic for 'Louisville' and thus many if not most encyclopedic subjects related to Louisville mean "Louisville, Kentucky"? For instance, if a Louisville (KY) neighborhood only applied to the Louisville in Kentucky, is there a necessity to disambiguate further with ", Kentucky"? Where do we draw lines?
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 20:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Above I explored what I think are the parameters of the discussion. Now, here's my preference for what I think we should do, noting that my mind can be changed. Since we're not talking about the top-level article, we should put more weight on the predominant use of 'Louisville' and use it alone to disambiguate or to situate a place such as a neighborhood, unless further disambiguation with ", Kentucky" is necessary, like if you had a same-named neighborhood in both Louisville, Kentucky and Louisville, Colorado.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 22:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply: This may have been dealt with, and I didn't look, but I Agree, and don't think we ever need to over-disambiguate. The title, Louisville, Kentucky, clearly identifies the subject of the article as well as in the lead, "...is the most populous city in the
Commonwealth of Kentucky.
A good thing is that
silence on the discussion will likely mean there will not be any objections so be bold and
"just do it" might be in order. --
Otr500 (
talk) 05:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Article issues
I think some issues need addressing.
The article has enjoyed 2,256 editors, 370 watchers, and 55,429 pageviews in 30 days. Bear with me.
The second to last paragraph (
Killing of Breonna Taylor in 2020) in the "20th and 21st centuries" subsections offers a little negativity in mentioning a chief was fired and four officers received federal charges. It adds but no significant systemic changes were made.
There has been a lot of good news, including the "Public safety" subsection. Louisville has been recognized as a "friendship city" in the "Sister cities" section. In the "Utilities" subsection: "In June 2008, the Louisville Water Company received the "Best of the Best" award from the American Water Works Association, citing it as the best-tasting drinking water in the country." It received the "43rd "most walkable" score. There is a fleet of zero-emissions buses even though there is no nuclear power and
70% of the energy comes from coal.
Anyway there appears to be some issues in Louisville maybe someone can look at, that might warrant mention. --
Otr500 (
talk) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the late reply. You have valid concerns that a city article such as this doesn't have full, balanced coverage of the above and other subjects. The main ways to improve it, though, are making incremental, cited changes, or starting a "add x" or "change x to y" discussion. Specific concerns of coverage lacking can also be written up in the to do list above. I personally would like to improve the article (more than I already have) but there's too much overall work to do, inside and out of the Wikipedia. The best way to guarantee changes are made is
being bold and doing it yourself.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
GruntwerkStefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 23:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply: Thank you for your reply. I am aware of boldly editing to fix issues. My personal "Wikipedia to-do-list" is currently around a hundred pages and have added this one. You and I are two of 2,256 editors. I leave talk page comments 1)- to minimize reverts by article protectors, and 2)- so that when I, as well as any others, can see issues noted and have a starting point. Again, thank you for your reply, --
Otr500 (
talk) 18:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
StefenTower: You added this photo of
George Rogers Clark back to the article. While Clark is significant and relevant to Louisville's history, his portrait is decorative and not "an important illustrative aid to understanding", per
MOS:IMAGES. Likewise, photos of
Muhammad Ali and
Louis XVI would also be decorative. However, there are photos in this article of the
George Rogers Clark Memorial Bridge, the
Muhammad Ali Center, and multiple places named after the King. Please explain why a portrait hanging in the Smithsonian Institution needs inclusion in this city article. Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 18:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Because he's the founder of the city. Showing readers what the founder of the city looks like is informative. The other people you mention aren't founders of the city. This is also a longstanding inclusion in the article - why is there an issue with its inclusion all of a sudden, after decades?
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 18:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Further, how he's dressed adds more information, that he's an
American Revolutionary War figure and founded the city during that time. For especially young readers who are introduced to the subject of the city, it is natural to show the person who founded it and the context of that moment.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
His portrait is decorative. There are images of places in the city named after him, but readers don't need to see what the founder looked like. Look at
Cleveland, a featured article, where there is a photo of a statue of
Moses Cleaveland in the city.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 18:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Further, the city does have a statue of GRC, but we can't include it apparently due to US copyright nonsense.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 19:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you or anyone would like to identify an alternative image that shows the city's founder in a more descriptive, less artsy manner, that would be fine by me, as including a visual depiction of the city's founder seems obvious and reasonable.
Stefen Towers among the rest!Gab •
Gruntwerk 19:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Help
WikiProject Louisville commemorate and celebrate the
150th Kentucky Derby! Join our article development and backlog drive taking place during the period of the
Kentucky Derby Festival, April 20 – May 5, 2024. The purpose of this drive is to improve a corner of the Wikipedia related to and timed for this special rare anniversary, as a part of improving the whole encyclopedia.
Barnstars will be awarded for participation.
Tag your edit summary with [[WP:DERBY150]], both to advertise the event and tally edits for milestone tracking and a possible leaderboard.
Interested in helping out? Sign up here. (We're also looking for technical assistance.)
Join our festive international Derby party!
Mint julep, anyone?