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I found no reliable source regarding CIA and MKULTRA involvement. In the MKULTRA report he is not mentioned, therefore I removed it as source. I found no neutral site connecting West with CIA or MKULTRA - they have a decided touch of anti-psychiatry or anti-US conspiracy theories and no one gives reliable sources. With only doubtful third-hand sources, an allegation does not belong into an encyclopedia. -- Irmgard 21:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Can someone add data on the Tusko experiment? It's not exactly an important step, but still a well known flub in West's history. --
24.9.8.61 22:33, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
The Tusko experiment took place in the 1960's at Lincoln Park Zoo in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. It was conducted through the University of Oklahoma Medical Center's Department of Psychiatry. Dr. West was Chief of the Department and was part of a team doing research on LSD. As this hallucinogen was known to be very powerful and dangerous, an extremely small dose -- presumed to be safe based on the subject's body weight -- was administered to an adult male elephant named Tusko. Tragically, Tusko died from the drug. No-one could have predicted that this tiny amount of LSD would be harmful to such a large animal. Dr. West was deeply saddened by this unexpected, unfortunate event. His involvement in the experiment haunted him on many levels. Politically it cost him, by a small number of votes, the presidency of the American Psychiatric Association.
I've restored this incident after an Anonymous editor removed it; the story is a famous one that has got into the textbooks as an example of how not to do research. A good secondary source is Schmidt-Nielsen's How Animals Work, which I've cited. Also Harwood's letter to the editor of Science commenting on West et al.'s paper which was the first to point out their mistake. DavidCooke ( talk) 06:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Things to be added and sourced:
Misou, suppressiveperson.org is just an alias for gerryarmstrong.org, which pro-Scientology editors use frequently for copies of documents. As for it being a "dynamic URL". (e.g. http://suppressiveperson.org/spdl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=40) Well, yes. So is one like http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/23/BAGRI7AHPQ1.DTL In fact, pretty much all non-trivial sites use dynamic URL. Some use a cgi script, some use php, some hide it under the covers, but all use it. AndroidCat 05:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
This Los Angeles Times article says West was born in Madison, Wisconsin (not Brooklyn, New York). -- TheCockroach ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Louis Jolyon West/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
*2 references, no images. Smee 07:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC). |
Last edited at 07:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 22:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
This article made me curious, checked by here, and was surprised not to see an entry given the article treats the MKUltra involvement as rather well established fact.
So I thought I'd give a shout out for anyone browsing by - there is now a reliable source on West's involvement with MKUltra : https://theintercept.com/2019/11/24/cia-mkultra-louis-jolyon-west
134.3.210.209 ( talk) 20:12, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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I found no reliable source regarding CIA and MKULTRA involvement. In the MKULTRA report he is not mentioned, therefore I removed it as source. I found no neutral site connecting West with CIA or MKULTRA - they have a decided touch of anti-psychiatry or anti-US conspiracy theories and no one gives reliable sources. With only doubtful third-hand sources, an allegation does not belong into an encyclopedia. -- Irmgard 21:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Can someone add data on the Tusko experiment? It's not exactly an important step, but still a well known flub in West's history. --
24.9.8.61 22:33, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
The Tusko experiment took place in the 1960's at Lincoln Park Zoo in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. It was conducted through the University of Oklahoma Medical Center's Department of Psychiatry. Dr. West was Chief of the Department and was part of a team doing research on LSD. As this hallucinogen was known to be very powerful and dangerous, an extremely small dose -- presumed to be safe based on the subject's body weight -- was administered to an adult male elephant named Tusko. Tragically, Tusko died from the drug. No-one could have predicted that this tiny amount of LSD would be harmful to such a large animal. Dr. West was deeply saddened by this unexpected, unfortunate event. His involvement in the experiment haunted him on many levels. Politically it cost him, by a small number of votes, the presidency of the American Psychiatric Association.
I've restored this incident after an Anonymous editor removed it; the story is a famous one that has got into the textbooks as an example of how not to do research. A good secondary source is Schmidt-Nielsen's How Animals Work, which I've cited. Also Harwood's letter to the editor of Science commenting on West et al.'s paper which was the first to point out their mistake. DavidCooke ( talk) 06:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Things to be added and sourced:
Misou, suppressiveperson.org is just an alias for gerryarmstrong.org, which pro-Scientology editors use frequently for copies of documents. As for it being a "dynamic URL". (e.g. http://suppressiveperson.org/spdl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=40) Well, yes. So is one like http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/23/BAGRI7AHPQ1.DTL In fact, pretty much all non-trivial sites use dynamic URL. Some use a cgi script, some use php, some hide it under the covers, but all use it. AndroidCat 05:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
This Los Angeles Times article says West was born in Madison, Wisconsin (not Brooklyn, New York). -- TheCockroach ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Louis Jolyon West/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
*2 references, no images. Smee 07:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC). |
Last edited at 07:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 22:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
This article made me curious, checked by here, and was surprised not to see an entry given the article treats the MKUltra involvement as rather well established fact.
So I thought I'd give a shout out for anyone browsing by - there is now a reliable source on West's involvement with MKUltra : https://theintercept.com/2019/11/24/cia-mkultra-louis-jolyon-west
134.3.210.209 ( talk) 20:12, 28 November 2019 (UTC)