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Overall this is a good description suitable for someone who wants a little more information.
I am a non-NA but think it needs more of a Navajo point of view expressed perhaps in the last sentence
For example, not many peoples were removed from their land and then later were told to return, certainly not in the volume of the Navajo. How many other reservations increased in size? Something happened in the period of the Long Walk. I am sorry I can not find the quote of a Navajo whose words were written. I remember something like, "Some Navajo were bad. We went on The Long Walk. We returned to the Navajo Way and went back to our land. It has been that way ever since." There was more going on than White greed, quality and quanity of the US military. My opinion -- Rcollman 11:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
RC Comment: The US Military in the Military Department of New Mexico retracted units at the start of the Civil War, 1861. Once the North started pushing the Texans out of New Mexico, the military looked at the Navajos. Canby was the Commander of the NM Department, who sent Colonel Carson and 4 divisions of NM Volunteers to Ft. Wingate. Canby also had the idea of seperating and educating the Navajo in modern farming practices. General Carleton who commanded the California Volunteers relieved Canby in Sept 1862. It was Carleton who gave Carson the order and put his own spin on Canby's reservation idea. Carson did not divide as much as force bands out of their traditional areas by destroying crops and livestock.
RC Comment: I made the edit called "Edit by an Anglo" when I was not logged in. -- Rcollman 23:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There's an excellent documentary film, [ Long Walk: Tears of the Navajo], that was released in November 2007. It tells this story from the viewpoints of the Navajo, the Mescalero Apache, and the white man. After seeing this well-balanced film, even though it included many comments from a pro-Anglo historian, I am in complete agreement with Rcollman that this Wikipedia article does not contain enough of the Navajo point of view. In particular, the sections titled "Long Walk" and "Bosque Redondo" both need expansion to tell more about the suffering of the Navajo and Mescalero Apache during the journey and at its New Mexico destination. Unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with this history to do justice to it, so I'm calling on someone who knows more than I do to add more of the Native American point of view. -- SFFrog ( talk) 04:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
After relating 20 pages of material concerning the Long Walk, Howard Gorman, age 73 at the time, concluded:
??? Who is he? Why does his opinion matter?
If I read 30 pages instead of 20 can my quote replace his?
Is there really no more balanced source to use?
Several editors have been adding inline citations since the banner was placed in 2011 on the article page. At this point in time, I suggest that {{citation needed|date=|note=}} be used in specific places where citations would be helpful. I will add a few. Rcollman ( talk) 12:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
David Williams, in A People's History of the Civil War, says that "of the more than eight thousand Navajos who started the journey, three thousand died on the Long Walk." He cites two sources. That's a far cry from the two hundred mentioned in this article. Lexi McCologist 18:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I generally understand the concept of a 'genetic bottleneck'. The "Sun Kissed" citation is a very moving narrative about a family, which also tries to explain why the Navajo have an apparent 1/30,000 chance of a specific genetic disorder, where other populations it is 1/1,000,000 chance. The population bottleneck due to events around the Long Walk is given as the cause. However, some Navajo doubt the genetic bottleneck theory and point to uranium contamination as the cause for the rapid rise in this disorder. [1] Rcollman ( talk) 15:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
References
Genocide and the forceful removal of natives from their land are TWO VERT DIFFERENT THINGS. Ethnic cleansing was never the goal of the removal, and never happened. Though Navajos died, it was a result of the march and not ordered by a military commander like during the Holocaust or something. The soldiers themselves suffered from the march, it even states that in this article. This is ridiculous.-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 00:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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Good and could use a little more Navajo point of view
I agree full heartedly. This is a good White point of view article, but lacks Navajo views. Remember that this time period was and is considered to be a Holocaust. Cite all the sources 10.47, 26 January 2009 |
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Am I the only one who feels that parts of the text referring to "Americans and Navajos" are a bit awkward? Aren't Navajos (native) Americans? As a non American, that part of the text is a really sticking out as a weird antithesis. The term "American" is not reserved for people of European descent, nor does it today exclude the natives within that nation. I understand it is a challenge to define the two groups in this civil strife, but the nationality should by no means attributed to one of the groups. Fkitselis ( talk) 18:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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The article title The Long Walk is given to a Stephen King novel -- and not one of his better-known ones. Conversely, the Long Walk of the Navajo is covered by the article titled Long Walk of the Navajo. It seems to me that on the basis of importance, the Navajo walk deserves precedence in article titles. Thus I propose retitling the article about the King novel the The Long Walk (novel) and titling the article about the Navajo Walk as The Long Walk. Comments?
I'll post this same message on both Long Walk articles to solicit comments. Smallchief ( talk) 00:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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Overall this is a good description suitable for someone who wants a little more information.
I am a non-NA but think it needs more of a Navajo point of view expressed perhaps in the last sentence
For example, not many peoples were removed from their land and then later were told to return, certainly not in the volume of the Navajo. How many other reservations increased in size? Something happened in the period of the Long Walk. I am sorry I can not find the quote of a Navajo whose words were written. I remember something like, "Some Navajo were bad. We went on The Long Walk. We returned to the Navajo Way and went back to our land. It has been that way ever since." There was more going on than White greed, quality and quanity of the US military. My opinion -- Rcollman 11:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
RC Comment: The US Military in the Military Department of New Mexico retracted units at the start of the Civil War, 1861. Once the North started pushing the Texans out of New Mexico, the military looked at the Navajos. Canby was the Commander of the NM Department, who sent Colonel Carson and 4 divisions of NM Volunteers to Ft. Wingate. Canby also had the idea of seperating and educating the Navajo in modern farming practices. General Carleton who commanded the California Volunteers relieved Canby in Sept 1862. It was Carleton who gave Carson the order and put his own spin on Canby's reservation idea. Carson did not divide as much as force bands out of their traditional areas by destroying crops and livestock.
RC Comment: I made the edit called "Edit by an Anglo" when I was not logged in. -- Rcollman 23:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There's an excellent documentary film, [ Long Walk: Tears of the Navajo], that was released in November 2007. It tells this story from the viewpoints of the Navajo, the Mescalero Apache, and the white man. After seeing this well-balanced film, even though it included many comments from a pro-Anglo historian, I am in complete agreement with Rcollman that this Wikipedia article does not contain enough of the Navajo point of view. In particular, the sections titled "Long Walk" and "Bosque Redondo" both need expansion to tell more about the suffering of the Navajo and Mescalero Apache during the journey and at its New Mexico destination. Unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with this history to do justice to it, so I'm calling on someone who knows more than I do to add more of the Native American point of view. -- SFFrog ( talk) 04:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
After relating 20 pages of material concerning the Long Walk, Howard Gorman, age 73 at the time, concluded:
??? Who is he? Why does his opinion matter?
If I read 30 pages instead of 20 can my quote replace his?
Is there really no more balanced source to use?
Several editors have been adding inline citations since the banner was placed in 2011 on the article page. At this point in time, I suggest that {{citation needed|date=|note=}} be used in specific places where citations would be helpful. I will add a few. Rcollman ( talk) 12:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
David Williams, in A People's History of the Civil War, says that "of the more than eight thousand Navajos who started the journey, three thousand died on the Long Walk." He cites two sources. That's a far cry from the two hundred mentioned in this article. Lexi McCologist 18:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I generally understand the concept of a 'genetic bottleneck'. The "Sun Kissed" citation is a very moving narrative about a family, which also tries to explain why the Navajo have an apparent 1/30,000 chance of a specific genetic disorder, where other populations it is 1/1,000,000 chance. The population bottleneck due to events around the Long Walk is given as the cause. However, some Navajo doubt the genetic bottleneck theory and point to uranium contamination as the cause for the rapid rise in this disorder. [1] Rcollman ( talk) 15:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
References
Genocide and the forceful removal of natives from their land are TWO VERT DIFFERENT THINGS. Ethnic cleansing was never the goal of the removal, and never happened. Though Navajos died, it was a result of the march and not ordered by a military commander like during the Holocaust or something. The soldiers themselves suffered from the march, it even states that in this article. This is ridiculous.-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 00:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Long Walk of the Navajo/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good and could use a little more Navajo point of view
I agree full heartedly. This is a good White point of view article, but lacks Navajo views. Remember that this time period was and is considered to be a Holocaust. Cite all the sources 10.47, 26 January 2009 |
Last edited at 18:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 22:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Am I the only one who feels that parts of the text referring to "Americans and Navajos" are a bit awkward? Aren't Navajos (native) Americans? As a non American, that part of the text is a really sticking out as a weird antithesis. The term "American" is not reserved for people of European descent, nor does it today exclude the natives within that nation. I understand it is a challenge to define the two groups in this civil strife, but the nationality should by no means attributed to one of the groups. Fkitselis ( talk) 18:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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The article title The Long Walk is given to a Stephen King novel -- and not one of his better-known ones. Conversely, the Long Walk of the Navajo is covered by the article titled Long Walk of the Navajo. It seems to me that on the basis of importance, the Navajo walk deserves precedence in article titles. Thus I propose retitling the article about the King novel the The Long Walk (novel) and titling the article about the Navajo Walk as The Long Walk. Comments?
I'll post this same message on both Long Walk articles to solicit comments. Smallchief ( talk) 00:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)