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December 2007 announcement from NASM that B-17D "The Swoose" is going to be swapped with the USAFM B-17G "Sho Sho Sho Baby" sometime in 2008. The B-17F "Memphis Belle is going to take the place of Baby and the B-17D is going to the restoration shop at USAFM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.28.50 ( talk) 15:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, and this list still has the Belle in Memphis. The Belle's own page has her correct current location at USAFM. I'm not going to mess with it though, lest some admin jump me for a citation. 67.142.130.40 ( talk) 20:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
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the Liberty bell should be removed from the list as it is no longer a surviving plane, it crashed this morning in Illinois. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.208.163 ( talk) 17:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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added a new section called "Accidents and incidents" and I reverted it. I feel like such a section is unwarranted for a list of surviving B-17 Flying Fortress airframes. According to the article, 12,731 aircraft were produced. So should we list all but the few dozen survivors in such a section in this article? No. The addition of the new section falls under
WP:NOTNEWS. The plane that crashed today was removed from the list. Period.
If someone wants to start
Accidents and incidents involving the B-17 Flying Fortress, then go ahead. —
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Evergreen international isn't flyable. She's on display, but per the docents she has a wing spar crack (there are airworthiness directives requiring inspection for this issue every year on B-17's.) and is unlikely to ever fly again.-- Chico129 ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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Crashed at Bradley International, Hartford CT, this morning. Fatalities involved (quantity not yet reported); airport closed due to fire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.165.198 ( talk) 17:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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There's at least one airworthy B-17 not on this list. The Movie Memphis Belle lives at and operates from the National Warplane Museum in Geneseo, NY USA. She's the "actress" who played the lead role in the movie Memphis Belle starring Matthew Modine. (Sorry I can't recall the year right now.) I know this from personal experience as well as reviewing the Wikipedia page for the National Warplane Museum. DaddyWarlock ( talk) 06:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
This article lists it as 9, whereas the current one puts it at 10. Is 9 correct?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 05:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
To avoid any confusion, the list of airworthy B-17s after the November 2022 crash is as follows:
- ZLEA T\ C 01:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
The number of airworthy planes, as noted in the lead, was adjusted from 9 to 4 by Zyates87 on 23 November. Looking at the nine that were listed above, their latest Status (what's listed in the column) is:
The four with a green checkmark are the currently "airworthy" ones, but it seems the number can very arguably be 6 rather than 4.
What definition of "airworthy" is being used? For example, while Fuddy Duddy hasn't been flown since 2014... does that make it un-airworthy? It may simply reflect a decision by the operator not to fly it, for any number of reasons. What if it had last been flown [pick some number] months ago?
A count of 4 appears to be based on "they are actively being flown by their operators" (or if other criteria were used, clarification welcome). Which I can support, but "airworthy" wording seems problematic without more context or some adjustment to the "Status" column.
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Please change the number of airworthy B-17's from "9" to "8" 2001:569:7BD2:4A00:56E:7622:3DDA:2BA7 ( talk) 05:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
We could simplify "Geographic location" to "Location" and "Institutional location" to "Owner". Is there a reason not to? PRRfan ( talk) 15:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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December 2007 announcement from NASM that B-17D "The Swoose" is going to be swapped with the USAFM B-17G "Sho Sho Sho Baby" sometime in 2008. The B-17F "Memphis Belle is going to take the place of Baby and the B-17D is going to the restoration shop at USAFM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.28.50 ( talk) 15:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, and this list still has the Belle in Memphis. The Belle's own page has her correct current location at USAFM. I'm not going to mess with it though, lest some admin jump me for a citation. 67.142.130.40 ( talk) 20:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surviving aircraft... LanceBarber ( talk) 04:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Category talk:Survivors (aircraft) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RFC bot 14:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
the Liberty bell should be removed from the list as it is no longer a surviving plane, it crashed this morning in Illinois. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.208.163 ( talk) 17:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
An anon editor
added a new section called "Accidents and incidents" and I reverted it. I feel like such a section is unwarranted for a list of surviving B-17 Flying Fortress airframes. According to the article, 12,731 aircraft were produced. So should we list all but the few dozen survivors in such a section in this article? No. The addition of the new section falls under
WP:NOTNEWS. The plane that crashed today was removed from the list. Period.
If someone wants to start
Accidents and incidents involving the B-17 Flying Fortress, then go ahead. —
Diiscool (
talk) 20:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Evergreen international isn't flyable. She's on display, but per the docents she has a wing spar crack (there are airworthiness directives requiring inspection for this issue every year on B-17's.) and is unlikely to ever fly again.-- Chico129 ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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Crashed at Bradley International, Hartford CT, this morning. Fatalities involved (quantity not yet reported); airport closed due to fire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.165.198 ( talk) 17:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
216.255.165.198 ( talk) 17:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
There's at least one airworthy B-17 not on this list. The Movie Memphis Belle lives at and operates from the National Warplane Museum in Geneseo, NY USA. She's the "actress" who played the lead role in the movie Memphis Belle starring Matthew Modine. (Sorry I can't recall the year right now.) I know this from personal experience as well as reviewing the Wikipedia page for the National Warplane Museum. DaddyWarlock ( talk) 06:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
This article lists it as 9, whereas the current one puts it at 10. Is 9 correct?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 05:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
To avoid any confusion, the list of airworthy B-17s after the November 2022 crash is as follows:
- ZLEA T\ C 01:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
The number of airworthy planes, as noted in the lead, was adjusted from 9 to 4 by Zyates87 on 23 November. Looking at the nine that were listed above, their latest Status (what's listed in the column) is:
The four with a green checkmark are the currently "airworthy" ones, but it seems the number can very arguably be 6 rather than 4.
What definition of "airworthy" is being used? For example, while Fuddy Duddy hasn't been flown since 2014... does that make it un-airworthy? It may simply reflect a decision by the operator not to fly it, for any number of reasons. What if it had last been flown [pick some number] months ago?
A count of 4 appears to be based on "they are actively being flown by their operators" (or if other criteria were used, clarification welcome). Which I can support, but "airworthy" wording seems problematic without more context or some adjustment to the "Status" column.
Suggestions and comments welcome! Dmoore5556 ( talk) 03:51, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the number of airworthy B-17's from "9" to "8" 2001:569:7BD2:4A00:56E:7622:3DDA:2BA7 ( talk) 05:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
We could simplify "Geographic location" to "Location" and "Institutional location" to "Owner". Is there a reason not to? PRRfan ( talk) 15:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)