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There were gigantic Buddhist academy in Bodh Gaya, India, and state-sponsored Confucius academies in the East Asia long before these Western "universities" were established - i.e., early part of the first millenium AD. Unfamiliar with the Muslim world's academic history, but I bet they too had better claim to this "earliest universities" claim given their scientific knowledge far surpassed those of Europe in the medieval time when these so-called "universities" were founded..
Euro-centric much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.23.87.19 ( talk) 23:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Madrassas are not universities, also European scientific knowledge was superior during the Middle Ages Stianwick ( talk) 16:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Why doesn't this article mention Al-Qarawiyyin (founded in the 9th century) and Al Azhar (founded in the 10th century) and Sankore University (founded in the 10th century) which are all older than any other European university? Mrjazz123 ( talk) 19:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
hi guys, the university of Leuven was founded in 1425. It deserves a spot on the list as the oldest university from Belgium and the Netherlands. 83.128.127.39 ( talk) 15:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I can't see that there is any reason for regarding "university" as a term distinct from "institution of higher learning" OTHER THAN to exclude non-European institutions from inclusion in the category "universities". In common English speech, "university" and "institution of higher learning" are synonymous. The difference between (on the one hand) an institution of higher learning that has "College" in its name and uses the phrase "School Of" for its subdivisions and (on the other hand) an institution of higher learning that has "University" in its name and uses the phrase "College Of" for its subdivisions is pretty much nil. The former (any College made of Schools) is just one that hasn't gotten around to changing its name yet, or is being blocked from doing so by political machinations from one or more institutions of higher learning in the same state who DO have the word "University" in their name and want to limit its use. There's no MATERIAL difference between the words "College" and "University" that applies consistently all over the U.S.A.. And, except where a "College" is a component of a University, both "College" and "University" are synonyms for "institution of higher learning".
Now, if there IS something different between (on the one hand) European institutions of higher learning that early on called themselves "Universities" and (on the other hand) non-European institutions of higher learning, SPELL THAT OUT. (I mean, a difference OTHER than simply BEING European. I meant some difference in the way they operated or the way they achieved results. Some REAL difference, not just an area of the world where they were located.) I'm afraid that I believe that the reason I'm not finding the differences spelled out anywhere is that it's all just a ruse to maintain an entirely artificial separation between European and non-European institutions, a difference based ONLY on location while pretending to be based on something else. I find nothing but circular reasoning: "Why is that madrasah in Morocco not a university?" is answered with "because it's not European". But why should the area where something is located be a determinant in whether it's called "a university" or not? Why should we agree to definitions that say "If it's in Europe it's a university but if it's not in Europe it's not a university"? 2600:1700:6759:B000:60E4:4CDF:3898:2FB2 ( talk) 07:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
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There were gigantic Buddhist academy in Bodh Gaya, India, and state-sponsored Confucius academies in the East Asia long before these Western "universities" were established - i.e., early part of the first millenium AD. Unfamiliar with the Muslim world's academic history, but I bet they too had better claim to this "earliest universities" claim given their scientific knowledge far surpassed those of Europe in the medieval time when these so-called "universities" were founded..
Euro-centric much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.23.87.19 ( talk) 23:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Madrassas are not universities, also European scientific knowledge was superior during the Middle Ages Stianwick ( talk) 16:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Why doesn't this article mention Al-Qarawiyyin (founded in the 9th century) and Al Azhar (founded in the 10th century) and Sankore University (founded in the 10th century) which are all older than any other European university? Mrjazz123 ( talk) 19:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
hi guys, the university of Leuven was founded in 1425. It deserves a spot on the list as the oldest university from Belgium and the Netherlands. 83.128.127.39 ( talk) 15:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I can't see that there is any reason for regarding "university" as a term distinct from "institution of higher learning" OTHER THAN to exclude non-European institutions from inclusion in the category "universities". In common English speech, "university" and "institution of higher learning" are synonymous. The difference between (on the one hand) an institution of higher learning that has "College" in its name and uses the phrase "School Of" for its subdivisions and (on the other hand) an institution of higher learning that has "University" in its name and uses the phrase "College Of" for its subdivisions is pretty much nil. The former (any College made of Schools) is just one that hasn't gotten around to changing its name yet, or is being blocked from doing so by political machinations from one or more institutions of higher learning in the same state who DO have the word "University" in their name and want to limit its use. There's no MATERIAL difference between the words "College" and "University" that applies consistently all over the U.S.A.. And, except where a "College" is a component of a University, both "College" and "University" are synonyms for "institution of higher learning".
Now, if there IS something different between (on the one hand) European institutions of higher learning that early on called themselves "Universities" and (on the other hand) non-European institutions of higher learning, SPELL THAT OUT. (I mean, a difference OTHER than simply BEING European. I meant some difference in the way they operated or the way they achieved results. Some REAL difference, not just an area of the world where they were located.) I'm afraid that I believe that the reason I'm not finding the differences spelled out anywhere is that it's all just a ruse to maintain an entirely artificial separation between European and non-European institutions, a difference based ONLY on location while pretending to be based on something else. I find nothing but circular reasoning: "Why is that madrasah in Morocco not a university?" is answered with "because it's not European". But why should the area where something is located be a determinant in whether it's called "a university" or not? Why should we agree to definitions that say "If it's in Europe it's a university but if it's not in Europe it's not a university"? 2600:1700:6759:B000:60E4:4CDF:3898:2FB2 ( talk) 07:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson