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Since most towns have just one hospital, would it make more sense to switch to a listing by county? Aboutmovies 22:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- I see that some states do it that way, like List of hospitals in California. There is an impressively dense list in List of hospitals in Massachusetts—which is done by city. Texas also does it that way, but with a regional structure over the cities. I don't particularly care for counties. What about this?:
city county hospital Albany Linn County Samaritan Albany General Hospital Ashland (whatever county) Ashland Community Hospital Astoria (whatever county) Columbia Memorial Hospital Baker City (whatever county) St. Elizabeth Health Services Bandon (whatever county) Southern Coos Hospital and Health Center Bend (whatever county) St. Charles Medical Center - Bend Burns (whatever county) Harney District Hospital Enterprise (whatever county) Wallowa Memorial Hospital Eugene (whatever county) Sacred Heart Medical Center Eugene (whatever county) Serenity Lane etc. etc. etc.
- This might be a good place to eventually add the attributes of the hospitals: number of beds, level 1 trauma, etc. —
EncMstr 00:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The table works good. The by city thing just didn't make sense as a structure and made for a really long TOC. Aboutmovies 00:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The Portland Business Journal has a fair amount of coverage of hospital sector.
- State numbers: Hospital Specific Reports, 2006, has intake and revenue info, US News & World Report, and the usual newspapers online WW, Tribune (may check local Pamplin Group paper too), and The big O.
- Also, Oregon Business magazine has the Top 100 lists which some hospitals make it. Aboutmovies ( talk) 11:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've only done two hospitals so far, but I'm seeing differences in the bed count given by the hospitals' web sites and the U.S. News site (which says it gets its stats from the American Hospital Association). With the Ashland hospital, the difference is small. I used the Ashland Hospital number, 49. With Good Sam in Portland, the difference is huge. Good Sam claims 539 beds, but U.S. News says 262. Thinking that any entity might inflate its numbers for advertising reasons, I used the U.S. News number. I feel uneasy about this since the difference is so great. Anybody have any ideas, opinions? For consistency, should we use the U.S. News number for all the hospitals? Alternatively, should we trust the hospitals to count their own beds more accurately than an outside agency? The U.S. News-AHA numbers might be out-of-date. Finetooth ( talk) 19:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I believe the difference can be explained by this link. A hospital has a license for so many beds, but may not currently have them "staffed" or available. That can be a big difference. I believe in the past I went with number of licensed beds, since that number is unlikely to fluctuate much (need state approval for an increase/decrease I believe) and better describes the physical size of the hospital since the beds do exist. Hope that helps. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hospitals have little incentive to inflate their bed numbers. A low revenue to bed ratio looks bad. Also, the bed count affects disaster planning and closure numbers in a way which would jeopardize patients, something hospitals are loath to encourage. The Good Samaritan discrepancy could be caused by them counting their system of beds at other facilities: where did you find the number? —
EncMstr (
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- Good analogies: an office building may have 200,000 square feet of leaseable space, but only 140,000 is currently leased. An apartment complex may have 120 units, but only 110 are currently rented. Also, you can always list both, which shows the total capacity and current use. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hospitals have little incentive to inflate their bed numbers. A low revenue to bed ratio looks bad. Also, the bed count affects disaster planning and closure numbers in a way which would jeopardize patients, something hospitals are loath to encourage. The Good Samaritan discrepancy could be caused by them counting their system of beds at other facilities: where did you find the number? —
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- I've been working on a stub for Lake District Hospital and didn't see your notes right away. Yes, the spreadsheet from the State of Oregon gives 539 licensed beds for Good Sam, exactly what the hospital says at its web site. The "beds available" number from the state is 266, almost exactly the same as the U.S. News number. That explains the difference quite nicely. I will use the licensed bed number in the Good Sam infobox. Ditto for the Ashland hospital. Thanks a bunch. Finetooth ( talk) 21:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Of the two numbers, I think the beds available is the more representative number, but even better would be to list both, especially thanks to AM's great source. Another metric which seems significantly useful would be the number of operating rooms at a hospital, but I can't find that anywhere. Aboutmovies? —
EncMstr (
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- I've never come across a collection of OR numbers, only individual numbers pertaining to a single hospital. Also, just an FYI about the Excel spreadsheet, each hospital has 12 entries, one for each month, which makes a difference for some of the data. Aboutmovies ( talk) 22:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Of the two numbers, I think the beds available is the more representative number, but even better would be to list both, especially thanks to AM's great source. Another metric which seems significantly useful would be the number of operating rooms at a hospital, but I can't find that anywhere. Aboutmovies? —
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Would it make sense to add a "See also" section to the individual hospital articles with a link to the list of Oregon hospitals? The Oregon creek articles have a "See also" with a link to the river and creek list; it's quite handy. Finetooth ( talk) 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think that would be normal linkage. One could also add the navbox
{{ Hospitals in Oregon}}at the bottom which I just whipped up. — EncMstr ( talk) 23:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been checking this list against Category:Hospital heliports in Oregon and finding many discrepancies. I made it through "O" if anyone feels like checking the rest before I get to it. I've moved a couple, determined one probably doesn't exist anymore, and have redlinked the current name of the hospital in the heliport article without an accompanying page move in most cases. Eventually these will need to be moved. Katr67 ( talk) 23:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I found this list of Oregon Trauma Hospitals on the Oregon Trauma Systems website: http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/ems/trauma/docs/hosplist.pdf. Should help with filling in that field in the hospital infobox. Bobert G ( talk) 02:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
For researching hospitals in Oregon, the main newspapers tend to have some coverage:
- The Oregonian, most greater Portland area and some on those in the valley. Online paid archives go back to 1987, available for free through some libraries.
- Bend Bulletin, likely Central Oregon hospitals. Not sure about their archives, but there is some older stuff on Google News.
- Register-Guard, likely Eugene metro/Lane County, and likely up to Corvallis/Albany/Lebanon. Older stuff on Google News.
- Medford Mail Tribune, likely the Medford ones, Ashland, Grants Pass and Roseburg, maybe even K-Falls. Archives go back to 1997.
- Portland Business Journals covers hospitals in depth on the financial side, but I think it is limited to NW Oregon.
- Portland Tribune, Portland metro. Everything is online for free dating to circa 2001.
- Daily Journal of Commerce, covers mainly construction, but often this covers hospitals. Mostly greater Portland metro and mainly newer.
Plus other local papers where the hospitals are located. Other data sources:
- US News & World Report
- Hospital-Data.com
- American Hospital Directory
- Oregon state reports
- Excel file of Oregon hospital stats from the state
Then, of course Google searches, medical journals, etc. If the article is big enough, nom for a DYK. Aboutmovies ( talk) 22:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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Since most towns have just one hospital, would it make more sense to switch to a listing by county? Aboutmovies 22:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- I see that some states do it that way, like List of hospitals in California. There is an impressively dense list in List of hospitals in Massachusetts—which is done by city. Texas also does it that way, but with a regional structure over the cities. I don't particularly care for counties. What about this?:
city county hospital Albany Linn County Samaritan Albany General Hospital Ashland (whatever county) Ashland Community Hospital Astoria (whatever county) Columbia Memorial Hospital Baker City (whatever county) St. Elizabeth Health Services Bandon (whatever county) Southern Coos Hospital and Health Center Bend (whatever county) St. Charles Medical Center - Bend Burns (whatever county) Harney District Hospital Enterprise (whatever county) Wallowa Memorial Hospital Eugene (whatever county) Sacred Heart Medical Center Eugene (whatever county) Serenity Lane etc. etc. etc.
- This might be a good place to eventually add the attributes of the hospitals: number of beds, level 1 trauma, etc. —
EncMstr 00:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The table works good. The by city thing just didn't make sense as a structure and made for a really long TOC. Aboutmovies 00:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The Portland Business Journal has a fair amount of coverage of hospital sector.
- State numbers: Hospital Specific Reports, 2006, has intake and revenue info, US News & World Report, and the usual newspapers online WW, Tribune (may check local Pamplin Group paper too), and The big O.
- Also, Oregon Business magazine has the Top 100 lists which some hospitals make it. Aboutmovies ( talk) 11:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've only done two hospitals so far, but I'm seeing differences in the bed count given by the hospitals' web sites and the U.S. News site (which says it gets its stats from the American Hospital Association). With the Ashland hospital, the difference is small. I used the Ashland Hospital number, 49. With Good Sam in Portland, the difference is huge. Good Sam claims 539 beds, but U.S. News says 262. Thinking that any entity might inflate its numbers for advertising reasons, I used the U.S. News number. I feel uneasy about this since the difference is so great. Anybody have any ideas, opinions? For consistency, should we use the U.S. News number for all the hospitals? Alternatively, should we trust the hospitals to count their own beds more accurately than an outside agency? The U.S. News-AHA numbers might be out-of-date. Finetooth ( talk) 19:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I believe the difference can be explained by this link. A hospital has a license for so many beds, but may not currently have them "staffed" or available. That can be a big difference. I believe in the past I went with number of licensed beds, since that number is unlikely to fluctuate much (need state approval for an increase/decrease I believe) and better describes the physical size of the hospital since the beds do exist. Hope that helps. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hospitals have little incentive to inflate their bed numbers. A low revenue to bed ratio looks bad. Also, the bed count affects disaster planning and closure numbers in a way which would jeopardize patients, something hospitals are loath to encourage. The Good Samaritan discrepancy could be caused by them counting their system of beds at other facilities: where did you find the number? —
EncMstr (
talk) 20:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Good analogies: an office building may have 200,000 square feet of leaseable space, but only 140,000 is currently leased. An apartment complex may have 120 units, but only 110 are currently rented. Also, you can always list both, which shows the total capacity and current use. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hospitals have little incentive to inflate their bed numbers. A low revenue to bed ratio looks bad. Also, the bed count affects disaster planning and closure numbers in a way which would jeopardize patients, something hospitals are loath to encourage. The Good Samaritan discrepancy could be caused by them counting their system of beds at other facilities: where did you find the number? —
EncMstr (
talk) 20:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've been working on a stub for Lake District Hospital and didn't see your notes right away. Yes, the spreadsheet from the State of Oregon gives 539 licensed beds for Good Sam, exactly what the hospital says at its web site. The "beds available" number from the state is 266, almost exactly the same as the U.S. News number. That explains the difference quite nicely. I will use the licensed bed number in the Good Sam infobox. Ditto for the Ashland hospital. Thanks a bunch. Finetooth ( talk) 21:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Of the two numbers, I think the beds available is the more representative number, but even better would be to list both, especially thanks to AM's great source. Another metric which seems significantly useful would be the number of operating rooms at a hospital, but I can't find that anywhere. Aboutmovies? —
EncMstr (
talk) 22:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've never come across a collection of OR numbers, only individual numbers pertaining to a single hospital. Also, just an FYI about the Excel spreadsheet, each hospital has 12 entries, one for each month, which makes a difference for some of the data. Aboutmovies ( talk) 22:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Of the two numbers, I think the beds available is the more representative number, but even better would be to list both, especially thanks to AM's great source. Another metric which seems significantly useful would be the number of operating rooms at a hospital, but I can't find that anywhere. Aboutmovies? —
EncMstr (
talk) 22:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it make sense to add a "See also" section to the individual hospital articles with a link to the list of Oregon hospitals? The Oregon creek articles have a "See also" with a link to the river and creek list; it's quite handy. Finetooth ( talk) 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think that would be normal linkage. One could also add the navbox
{{ Hospitals in Oregon}}at the bottom which I just whipped up. — EncMstr ( talk) 23:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been checking this list against Category:Hospital heliports in Oregon and finding many discrepancies. I made it through "O" if anyone feels like checking the rest before I get to it. I've moved a couple, determined one probably doesn't exist anymore, and have redlinked the current name of the hospital in the heliport article without an accompanying page move in most cases. Eventually these will need to be moved. Katr67 ( talk) 23:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I found this list of Oregon Trauma Hospitals on the Oregon Trauma Systems website: http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/ems/trauma/docs/hosplist.pdf. Should help with filling in that field in the hospital infobox. Bobert G ( talk) 02:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
For researching hospitals in Oregon, the main newspapers tend to have some coverage:
- The Oregonian, most greater Portland area and some on those in the valley. Online paid archives go back to 1987, available for free through some libraries.
- Bend Bulletin, likely Central Oregon hospitals. Not sure about their archives, but there is some older stuff on Google News.
- Register-Guard, likely Eugene metro/Lane County, and likely up to Corvallis/Albany/Lebanon. Older stuff on Google News.
- Medford Mail Tribune, likely the Medford ones, Ashland, Grants Pass and Roseburg, maybe even K-Falls. Archives go back to 1997.
- Portland Business Journals covers hospitals in depth on the financial side, but I think it is limited to NW Oregon.
- Portland Tribune, Portland metro. Everything is online for free dating to circa 2001.
- Daily Journal of Commerce, covers mainly construction, but often this covers hospitals. Mostly greater Portland metro and mainly newer.
Plus other local papers where the hospitals are located. Other data sources:
- US News & World Report
- Hospital-Data.com
- American Hospital Directory
- Oregon state reports
- Excel file of Oregon hospital stats from the state
Then, of course Google searches, medical journals, etc. If the article is big enough, nom for a DYK. Aboutmovies ( talk) 22:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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