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Actor John Dye's autopsy is available online, it states that he passed from acute meth intoxication. I don't know how to add people to the list so thought I would add this here. 170.253.205.26 ( talk) 20:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation here: [1]. Now that I know what you're doing, I can appreciate your edit. It's hard to appreciate something when you don't know why it's been added, and it breaks the formatting. It's also difficult to know it only breaks the formatting on one browser when no links or explanations are provided. If you had linked Template:Sticky header in the initial edit summary, I wouldn't have complained as that would have told me what I needed to know. I'm not as adept at table formatting as you are, so I couldn't figure out what you were doing. Have a nice day. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with your edit here though: [2]. It's unnecessary because the table is the entire subject of the article. There's only two things in the List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication. The lead, and the list itself. Even if someone is using a screen reader, common sense would dictate that the table on the 'List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication' is the List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I struck out the offending words. Not that I don't believe it. As you said: "you have every right to not like me and think that I am wrong". But accusations in print, I agree, are another matter. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Your proposed wording has poor grammar. It violates MOS:NUMNOTES. It contains unnecessary and embarrassing over-detail. All humans have good understanding of the size of small denomination coins, let alone arguably one of the world's most famous. In the extremely unlikely event that some person wants to know the exact measurements of a US penny, they can click on the Wikilink provided. Damien Linnane ( talk) 07:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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I did not just revert. I addressed your concerns.
As for the grammar, feel free to correct it.
You are the first person to complain about this ...
Saying "You're only embarrassing yourself" is a personal attack. As is accusing me of "snookering" you. See your reply accusing me of a personal attack higher up. I quote you earlier on: "All humans have good understanding of the size of small denomination coins". Now you say differently above: "understanding coins come in different sizes." That includes small denomination coins. See Commons:Template:NoCoins: "require people unfamiliar with them to look up the dimensions". We solve the problem by putting those dimensions in the caption. I have long added the dimensions to the caption where I have posted that image. MOS:NUMNOTES says "Avoid beginning a sentence with a figure". The word "avoid" is not a requirement. If it is important to you then you can add "A" in front of it as you did.
All of these multiple long threads could have been avoided by fixing the problems instead of reversions. None of the problems were serious enough to require instant reversions. But since you apparently WP:OWN this page you reverted everything. Often in mistake as with the table edits you reverted and then apologized for.
Here is my image, caption, and reference before your first reversion:
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Here is your final version:
References
All of this discussion for so little change in the caption. Change you could have done without reversion. And I see you have again removed the most important part quoting the archived caption: "photo illustration of 2 milligrams of fentanyl, a lethal dose in most people". It is no longer in the current reference caption. It is only in archives. Someone was removing the image from multiple pages because of the lack of verifiability, linking to WP:V. So I added that info, and they were happy. I stated this in an edit summary here, and you are ignoring it again. I link to the diff yet again: diff: "Fentanyl image caption. Using article's reference formatting. Plus additional info specifically requested by other editors on other articles with the image. Image was being deleted due to WP:V without the archived caption being linked and quoted. White powder was hard to notice by some editors." Did you think I was lying about that? WP:AGF. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I just found a better image, and put it in the article (see diff) in place of the penny image:
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My edit summary: "Better image I just found. Feel free to reword any part of it or the reference. I rarely use citation templates since I can get the same result faster without them. If you also want to put both images up, feel free, but there may not be room at the top. Could put old image after the table."
I used your caption for the most part, and substituted "on pencil tip". Many Americans (and others) have no clue what a milligram is. So I spelled it out and linked it.
I personally would put a small gallery section after the table. Title the section "Gallery". Then it would be easy to get to via the table of contents. Put the penny image there since it is difficult to find good images from reliable sources that can be trusted as to the size of fentanyl that can kill. Put in a few individual images of people who have died. It would make the article more meaningful. The composite image at the top is not enough in my opinion. A lot of people will not click the composite image to get to the larger size. But it is a good image at the top. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 18:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I request also that Henry Friendly be added to the list as a notable inclusion. GuardianH ( talk) 06:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
@ SNUGGUMS: I refer to your edit and edit summary here [7]. Firstly, the "cherry picking" was done based on who had a suitable free image that could be used. Secondly, the montage was only added in the first place as it was explicitly requested at the FLC when I nominated the list for promotion. Thirdly, I have no idea what "whoever decided to use "notable deaths" wasn't even trying to be subtle with their personal opinions on the deaths" means. Can you clarify what personal opinions you are publicly accusing me of having? My only intention was only to comply with the request at FLC in the hopes of having the article promoted. I do not appreciate your tone or your accusation when I was only trying my best in good faith to comply with FLC requests. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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Actor John Dye's autopsy is available online, it states that he passed from acute meth intoxication. I don't know how to add people to the list so thought I would add this here. 170.253.205.26 ( talk) 20:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation here: [1]. Now that I know what you're doing, I can appreciate your edit. It's hard to appreciate something when you don't know why it's been added, and it breaks the formatting. It's also difficult to know it only breaks the formatting on one browser when no links or explanations are provided. If you had linked Template:Sticky header in the initial edit summary, I wouldn't have complained as that would have told me what I needed to know. I'm not as adept at table formatting as you are, so I couldn't figure out what you were doing. Have a nice day. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with your edit here though: [2]. It's unnecessary because the table is the entire subject of the article. There's only two things in the List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication. The lead, and the list itself. Even if someone is using a screen reader, common sense would dictate that the table on the 'List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication' is the List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I struck out the offending words. Not that I don't believe it. As you said: "you have every right to not like me and think that I am wrong". But accusations in print, I agree, are another matter. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Your proposed wording has poor grammar. It violates MOS:NUMNOTES. It contains unnecessary and embarrassing over-detail. All humans have good understanding of the size of small denomination coins, let alone arguably one of the world's most famous. In the extremely unlikely event that some person wants to know the exact measurements of a US penny, they can click on the Wikilink provided. Damien Linnane ( talk) 07:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
References
I did not just revert. I addressed your concerns.
As for the grammar, feel free to correct it.
You are the first person to complain about this ...
Saying "You're only embarrassing yourself" is a personal attack. As is accusing me of "snookering" you. See your reply accusing me of a personal attack higher up. I quote you earlier on: "All humans have good understanding of the size of small denomination coins". Now you say differently above: "understanding coins come in different sizes." That includes small denomination coins. See Commons:Template:NoCoins: "require people unfamiliar with them to look up the dimensions". We solve the problem by putting those dimensions in the caption. I have long added the dimensions to the caption where I have posted that image. MOS:NUMNOTES says "Avoid beginning a sentence with a figure". The word "avoid" is not a requirement. If it is important to you then you can add "A" in front of it as you did.
All of these multiple long threads could have been avoided by fixing the problems instead of reversions. None of the problems were serious enough to require instant reversions. But since you apparently WP:OWN this page you reverted everything. Often in mistake as with the table edits you reverted and then apologized for.
Here is my image, caption, and reference before your first reversion:
References
Here is your final version:
References
All of this discussion for so little change in the caption. Change you could have done without reversion. And I see you have again removed the most important part quoting the archived caption: "photo illustration of 2 milligrams of fentanyl, a lethal dose in most people". It is no longer in the current reference caption. It is only in archives. Someone was removing the image from multiple pages because of the lack of verifiability, linking to WP:V. So I added that info, and they were happy. I stated this in an edit summary here, and you are ignoring it again. I link to the diff yet again: diff: "Fentanyl image caption. Using article's reference formatting. Plus additional info specifically requested by other editors on other articles with the image. Image was being deleted due to WP:V without the archived caption being linked and quoted. White powder was hard to notice by some editors." Did you think I was lying about that? WP:AGF. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I just found a better image, and put it in the article (see diff) in place of the penny image:
References
My edit summary: "Better image I just found. Feel free to reword any part of it or the reference. I rarely use citation templates since I can get the same result faster without them. If you also want to put both images up, feel free, but there may not be room at the top. Could put old image after the table."
I used your caption for the most part, and substituted "on pencil tip". Many Americans (and others) have no clue what a milligram is. So I spelled it out and linked it.
I personally would put a small gallery section after the table. Title the section "Gallery". Then it would be easy to get to via the table of contents. Put the penny image there since it is difficult to find good images from reliable sources that can be trusted as to the size of fentanyl that can kill. Put in a few individual images of people who have died. It would make the article more meaningful. The composite image at the top is not enough in my opinion. A lot of people will not click the composite image to get to the larger size. But it is a good image at the top. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 18:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I request also that Henry Friendly be added to the list as a notable inclusion. GuardianH ( talk) 06:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
@ SNUGGUMS: I refer to your edit and edit summary here [7]. Firstly, the "cherry picking" was done based on who had a suitable free image that could be used. Secondly, the montage was only added in the first place as it was explicitly requested at the FLC when I nominated the list for promotion. Thirdly, I have no idea what "whoever decided to use "notable deaths" wasn't even trying to be subtle with their personal opinions on the deaths" means. Can you clarify what personal opinions you are publicly accusing me of having? My only intention was only to comply with the request at FLC in the hopes of having the article promoted. I do not appreciate your tone or your accusation when I was only trying my best in good faith to comply with FLC requests. Damien Linnane ( talk) 06:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)